This team is good.....but it's coaching that's holding it back
 

Even with Heinicke the offense is good
But Scott Turner is not his father. JDR has the defense playing great for the past 6 weeks but they made Daniel Jones look like John Elway. The pieces are there on both sides of the ball but talent isn't the problem. Coaching is. Until the Coaching is different from improvement or with different coordinators this team will continue to be a 7 to 10 win team every year.

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I totally agree but I think the fact that the staff is underwhelming has been covered even in the political threads lol.


Oh and 10 wins sounds like a dream come true.

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This team isn’t going to be a serious contender for anything until they have a legit QB. Heinicke and Wentz aren’t the answers. Sorry, the offense simply is not good.

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I see coaching pluses and coaching minuses. I also see personnel pluses and personnel minuses.

I don't think they're being held back by the coaching but I also am not sure I see the coaching elevating the roster.

They're extremely mid on offense because the QB who can escape pressure is limited physically, and the QB who can't escape pressure is paired with an offensive line that allows pressure up the middle.

They need a better QB and more investment in the line. If you think you can upgrade coaching too I won't hate the move. But I'm more focused on quarterback.

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Have to score points to be good, our best offensive production was best the first few games with Wentz then it was a slow burn. We know Wentz isn't answer however. TH is a great back up, I have the utmost confidence in him if the starter QB has to leave the game that we will have a shot but an entire season he can't carry.

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[quote=Schneed10;1333091]I see coaching pluses and coaching minuses. I also see personnel pluses and personnel minuses.

I don't think they're being held back by the coaching but I also am not sure I see the coaching elevating the roster.

They're extremely mid on offense because the QB who can escape pressure is limited physically, and the QB who can't escape pressure is paired with an offensive line that allows pressure up the middle.

[B]They need a better QB and more investment in the line. If you think you can upgrade coaching too I won't hate the move. But I'm more focused on quarterback[/B].[/quote]

This, we are asking Turner to race a Formula one car with 2 tires at best.

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[quote=mredskins;1333093]This, we are asking Turner to race a Formula one car with 2 tires at best.[/quote]

True, but the redzone efficiency, ie scoring TDs, is the main issue and that has a lot to do with the playcalling. Up to the redzone the offense works relatively well. When Wentz was in we would score more TDs from distance, so the redzone efficiency wasn't as critical.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1333091]
They're extremely mid on offense because the QB who can escape pressure is limited physically, and the QB who can't escape pressure is paired with an offensive line that allows pressure up the middle.

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This is really the biggest problem. It is like we finally found all the things we need in a quarterback but they come in two different guys. I have literally asked myself why Wentz cant have Taylors legs or Taylor have Wentz’s arm all year.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1333093]This, we are asking Turner to race a Formula one car with 2 tires at best.[/QUOTE]


Turner couldn’t race a Formula one with wings. Does he have all the tools he needs? Absolutely not. Does he do his best without them? Hell naw.

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[quote=punch it in;1333095]This is really the biggest problem. It is like we finally found all the things we need in a quarterback but they come in two different guys. I have literally asked myself why Wentz cant have Taylors legs or Taylor have Wentz’s arm all year.[/quote]

Where are you getting the football IQ, ability to throw accurately and not into triple coverage from?

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With Wentz, at least the offense had a chance to be exciting.

With Heinicke, it's always going to be a battle getting to 20 points.

No way Heinicke is going to score enough against SF.

Our offensive line fucks us no matter which way we go tho. They freaking stink. It's arranging chairs on the Titatic deciding who to go with at QB behind those guys.

Turner is just not smart enough to win with what we have. Dude has no self-control with play calling. No way Rivera fires him. They are bros or something. Rivera only calls out players, never the coaches.

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We better be drafting OL in the first rd no exceptions

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1333104]We better be drafting OL in the first rd no exceptions[/quote]

I'd be fine with:

CB
OT
QB (least favorite, as I like Howell, but doesn't matter if the coaches don't)

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Starts with the QB.

I think Turner's strategy to run the ball turned the season around because he recognized the easiest path to victory rather than putting the ball in a QB hands.

The internal battle for Turner is the most talented personnel on offense is the receiving corp of Samuel, J Dot and Terry.

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[quote=Chico23231;1333115]Starts with the QB.

I think Turner's strategy to run the ball turned the season around because he recognized the easiest path to victory rather than putting the ball in a QB hands.

The internal battle for Turner is the most talented personnel on offense is the receiving corp of Samuel, J Dot and Terry.[/quote]

Bates should be the starting TE now. Go 3-wide with Bates at TE, and pound the fucking football, then use that to set-up quick play-action passes and the short passing game in general. All 3 of those WRs are great with the ball in their hands, give it to them, and let them eat.

Then mix in the occasional long-ball.

I really wish Heinicke knew how to run a read-option. That would be a huge weapon, and something that he should be good at, but he's not.

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1333100]Where are you getting the football IQ, ability to throw accurately and not into triple coverage from?[/QUOTE]


Good question. Lol. Howell?

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1333106]I'd be fine with:

CB
OT
QB (least favorite, as I like Howell, but doesn't matter if the coaches don't)[/QUOTE]


No CB - okie is right.
Oline - the best one idc if its C.
Oline again.
ILB
2 and 3 can be interchangeable depending on who is available where.
I don’t think the coaches dont like Howell.

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[quote=Chico23231;1333115]Starts with the QB.

I think Turner's strategy to run the ball turned the season around because he recognized the easiest path to victory rather than putting the ball in a QB hands.

The internal battle for Turner is the most talented personnel on offense is the receiving corp of Samuel, J Dot and Terry.[/quote]

Agreed.

So if we cant call traditional 5 to 7 step drops bc of O line and QB ... why not call all those screens/bubbles/gimmick plays to get the ball in playmakers hands in space? We did that last year.

Call 5 slants to Terry a game.

This team is good.....but it's coaching that's holding it back
 

[QUOTE=SunnySide;1333141]Agreed.

So if we cant call traditional 5 to 7 step drops bc of O line and QB ... why not call all those screens/bubbles/gimmick plays to get the ball in playmakers hands in space? We did that last year.

Call 5 slants to Terry a game.[/QUOTE]


McKissic was the X factor it sucks he is done. He was the best option for quick screens.

But yes we still got three guys who could do that and they should but Turner is a dipshit who won’t cater to what he has. He just keeps trying to run his version of a good offense regardless. I hate Turner.

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[quote=punch it in;1333151]McKissic was the X factor it sucks he is done. He was the best option for quick screens.

But yes we still got three guys who could do that and they should but Turner is a dipshit who won’t cater to what he has. He just keeps trying to run his version of a good offense regardless. I hate Turner.[/quote]

Curtis Samuel was juking people left and right at the beginning of the season, I don't know how you don't use him in slants, screens, and intermediate passes.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1333156]Curtis Samuel was juking people left and right at the beginning of the season, I don't know how you don't use him in slants, screens, and intermediate passes.[/quote]

Heinicke isn't great at getting the ball out quick, I think it's because his vision gets blocked frequently from being short. He also is seeming to want to see guys come open before throwing it, rather than relying on the timing and anticipation.

By the time Samuel gets the ball the defender has closed the gap.

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[quote=Schneed10;1333157]Heinicke isn't great at getting the ball out quick, I think it's because his vision gets blocked frequently from being short. He also is seeming to want to see guys come open before throwing it, rather than relying on the timing and anticipation.

By the time Samuel gets the ball the defender has closed the gap.[/quote]

TH needs taller cleats. LOL.

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[quote=punch it in;1333088]I totally agree but I think the fact that the staff is underwhelming has been covered even in the political threads lol.


Oh and 10 wins sounds like a dream come true.[/quote]


This franchise hasn't had over 10 wins in 31 years......that's a problem.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1333104]We better be drafting OL in the first rd no exceptions[/quote]

Agreed.

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The offense is not good. We're a QB and 2-3 OL away. Coaching is at best the 3rd issue.
The defense held NYG to 13 points, what more do you want them to do?

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[quote=MTK;1333089]This team isn’t going to be a serious contender for anything until they have a legit QB. Heinicke and Wentz aren’t the answers. Sorry, the offense simply is not good.[/quote]

There are issues with the offensive line.. ...Heinicke is limited and Wentz is slow and pedestrian.....there's an issue at TE too because Logan Thomas clearly hasn't recovered from knee surgery.......the running game with Gibson and Robinson is legit....Terry, Jahan, and Curtis are a pretty good 3 piece combo.....we do need better quartebacking, I agree.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1333216]There are issues with the offensive line.. ...Heinicke is limited and Wentz is slow and pedestrian.....there's an issue at TE too because Logan Thomas clearly hasn't recovered from knee surgery.......the running game with Gibson and Robinson is legit....Terry, Jahan, and Curtis are a pretty good 3 piece combo.....we do need better quartebacking, I agree.[/quote]

Yeah we're good on skill position players now, Logan Thomas withstanding because he's getting long in the tooth and always playing hurt - we need to focus on the offensive line and QB this offseason.

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[quote=That Guy;1333215]The offense is not good. We're a QB and 2-3 OL away. Coaching is at best the 3rd issue.
The defense held NYG to 13 points, what more do you want them to do?[/quote]

The issue with the coaching staff is that they calls plays like we have a good QB. If you get an actual good QB, some of your coaching issues go away. I'd still be concerned about their situational adaptability.

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[quote=That Guy;1333215]The offense is not good. We're a QB and 2-3 OL away. Coaching is at best the 3rd issue.
The defense held NYG to 13 points, what more do you want them to do?[/quote]

My read on the team exactly. The only quibble one could make with the defense would be turnovers, and the lack of sacks is what contributed to no turnovers. But allowing 13 points says the gameplan worked whether you got the turnovers or not - we didn't rush the passer with abandon because of the way Jones hurts you with his legs. So it ain't the defense's fault.

It all comes back to QB, it's the reason we have such a small margin for error, and it's the reason that pounding the ball 35 times is our best chance to win. We can't make max use out of our passing game weapons without a QB and a line that can hold up better.

The failures are on Ron's personnel side more so than on the coaching side. Coming into the season with Norwell and Turner at guard was terrible. They are trying on the QB side. It's hard to land one. But there's no excuse for the guards.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1333157]Heinicke isn't great at getting the ball out quick, I think it's because his vision gets blocked frequently from being short. He also is seeming to want to see guys come open before throwing it, rather than relying on the timing and anticipation.

By the time Samuel gets the ball the defender has closed the gap.[/QUOTE]


If you can’t get the ball out on time for a quick screen, you have no business being employed as an NFL quarterback.
So if this is actually the case and TH cannot throw a quick screen effectively you need to put Howell in like three weeks ago.

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Once again guys, if you don’t have a QB you won’t win consistently. It’s just that simple. You can have the weapons like we do but it doesn’t matter if the guy passing the ball can’t get it to them. The OL Isn’t good either so yes we definitely need to address both once again this off-season


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The offense has potential to be very good, imagine Cousins with these skill players? We'd be a serious force offensively. TH is at the bottom in most QB metrics and CW isn't very far ahead of him. Until we get that figured out we're going to be a .500 ish type of team at best.

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[quote=MTK;1333231]The offense has potential to be very good, imagine Cousins with these skill players? We'd be a serious force offensively. TH is at the bottom in most QB metrics and CW isn't very far ahead of him. Until we get that figured out we're going to be a .500 ish type of team at best.[/quote]

I just saw this QB rankings done by CBS:

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2022-nfl-week-16-qb-power-rankings-jaguars-trevor-lawrence-49ers-brock-purdy-keep-on-rising/[/url]

I think you put any of the top 15 QBs on the list, and we would be a serious force offensively (with question marks on Purdy, Geno, and Fields).

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SF is winning due to their Run game and amazing defense. But that won’t happen every year for them. You still need a QB which is why they sold the farm for Lance who is still a huge ?.

For the folks that say we are not a QB away, I disagree. The offense is stacked with skill players , OL needs some help but with a QB like Herbert or Burrow, this team would be a SB contender


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1333237]SF is winning due to their Run game and amazing defense. But that won’t happen every year for them. You still need a QB which is why they sold the farm for Lance who is still a huge ?.

For the folks that say we are not a QB away, I disagree. The offense is stacked with skill players , OL needs some help but with a QB like Herbert or Burrow, this team would be a SB contender


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A stud QB would completely change things on offense, no doubt. A couple of upgrades on the OL too and we'd be cooking with fire.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1333238]A stud QB would completely change things on offense, no doubt. A couple of upgrades on the OL too and we'd be cooking with fire.[/QUOTE]


We’ve won 7 games and should be 8 or 9 with no QB lol. It’s actually impressive for this coaching staff can’t deny it.


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[QUOTE=MTK;1333231]The offense has potential to be very good, imagine Cousins with these skill players? We'd be a serious force offensively. TH is at the bottom in most QB metrics and CW isn't very far ahead of him. Until we get that figured out we're going to be a .500 ish type of team at best.[/QUOTE]


Cousins on this team would be awesome. Oh well. Shoulda. Woulda. Coulda.

This team is good.....but it's coaching that's holding it back
 

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1333232]I just saw this QB rankings done by CBS:

[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2022-nfl-week-16-qb-power-rankings-jaguars-trevor-lawrence-49ers-brock-purdy-keep-on-rising/[/url]

I think you put any of the top 15 QBs on the list, and we would be a serious force offensively (with question marks on Purdy, Geno, and Fields).[/QUOTE]


100 percent. BUT (big but), we had one of them on our team, and he should still be on it.

Purdy has an extremely small sample size, and an incredible team and staff around him. Definitely a question mark.

Geno I like. I think he would undoubtedly make us a force.

Fields too. He has definitely proven himself. He hasn’t got any weapons in Chicago.

Edit:
Dak more a question mark imo than Fields. Probably Geno too. He is an int machine of sorts this year.

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[quote=MTK;1333231]The offense has potential to be very good, imagine Cousins with these skill players? We'd be a serious force offensively. TH is at the bottom in most QB metrics and CW isn't very far ahead of him. Until we get that figured out we're going to be a .500 ish type of team at best.[/quote]

This.

Sure some o-line upgrade would help, but the QB position even covers those issues

I want a athletic QB in the first round

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[quote=MTK;1333238]A stud QB would completely change things on offense, no doubt. A couple of upgrades on the OL too and we'd be cooking with fire.[/quote]

This is precisely why Washington needs to draft for need when the draft rolls around......QB in the 1st round, OL in the 2nd round, TE in the 3rd round, OL in the4th round, LB in the 5th round, CB in the 6th round, and WR in the 7th round.....