Scott Turner Fired
 

Turner is gone confirmed by Keim and JP.

Who do you want next?

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[quote=Chico23231;1335842]Turner is gone confirmed by Keim and JP.

Who do you want next?[/quote]

Someone young that likes Howell as a potential QB in his system and can potentially takeover after Rivera is fired after 2023.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1335844]Someone young that can potentially takeover after Rivera is fired after 2023.[/quote]

Kliff Kingsbury come on down! LOLOL

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Where will he go and have success and we can continue to curse him?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1335846]Kliff Kingsbury come on down! LOLOL[/quote]

Pass on that pretty boy. You already know he will quit after one year to go be a HC in college again.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1335847]Where will he go and have success and we can continue to curse him?[/quote]

Haha, the other 31 teams are excited that we will now be grooming their next HC (if needed).

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1335847]Where will he go and have success and we can continue to curse him?[/quote]

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Don’t you say it you mf’er

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I would go after someone in Sean McDermott's staff who was involved in Josh Allen's development (given the connections he has to Ron).

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Come on down Panthers QB coach!!!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1335854]Come on down Panthers QB coach!!![/quote]

The people in Ron's coaching staff at Carolina are probably in Buffalo and New York. Everyone currently in Carolina was hired by Matt Rhule.

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The first of hopefully many positive moves this offseason.

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I hope this gives a spark to the offense, the same way that firing the d-line coordinator improved the d-line this past season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1335846]Kliff Kingsbury come on down! LOLOL[/quote]

Better bring in the grey poupon, fucking idiot had O’Connell instead he chose Jerry’s kid.

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Good riddance. I have mixed feelings about JDR.. really wish we had a more creative and aggressive DC but the D showed up for the most part this year just tough to call sometimes.

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I imagine this is the nail in the coffin for TH as well

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Think we could tempt Johnson away from Philly? Could work wonders with Howell.

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[quote=Chico23231;1335863]I imagine this is the nail in the coffin for TH as well[/quote]

I think TH nailed his own coffin already, but yes.

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Jay Gruden…come on down?

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[quote=Chico23231;1335866]Jay Gruden…come on down?[/quote]

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Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35420874/commanders-seek-fresh-start-oc-fire-scott-turner[/url]

The eye-popping paragraph to me:

[quote=ESPN]
Near the end, players and others in the organization grumbled about the inconsistency of Washington's offensive philosophy. There appeared to be a divide between Rivera's vision for what he wanted offensively -- led by a power run game -- and Turner's vertical passing attack. [B]During their season-finale news conference, Rivera and general manager Martin Mayhew both emphasized the desire to be more of a physical running team.[/B]
[/quote]

So let me get this straight. On a team with McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, and ex-WR Antonio Gibson at RB, Ron and Mayhew want us to be a physical power running team?

I like Brian Robinson, but he's not Derrick Henry. And this gameplan of "we're gonna wear teams down with our physicality and start breaking big gainers in the 4th quarter" only works if the defense holds the other team in check. You can't be a physical running team if you're down by 10+ in the second half.

Ron and Mayhew are trying to take us back to the 80's on this one. If his gameplan is to keep the qb under 20 passes and Robinson over 20 carries every game it remains to be seen whether that can be a winning style.

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[quote=mooby;1335868][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35420874/commanders-seek-fresh-start-oc-fire-scott-turner[/url]

The eye-popping paragraph to me:

So let me get this straight. On a team with McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, and ex-WR Antonio Gibson at RB, Ron and Mayhew want us to be a physical power running team?

I like Brian Robinson, but he's not Derrick Henry. And this gameplan of "we're gonna wear teams down with our physicality and start breaking big gainers in the 4th quarter" only works if the defense holds the other team in check. You can't be a physical running team if you're down by 10+ in the second half.

Ron and Mayhew are trying to take us back to the 80's on this one. If his gameplan is to keep the qb under 20 passes and Robinson over 20 carries every game it remains to be seen whether that can be a winning style.[/quote]

This year, with our QBs and OL, we had to run the ball more than pass it to be successful. But you can't just commit to a we're gonna ram it down everyone's throat every game offense, long-term. Like you said, it's not the 1980's, it's a passing league. You have to be able to throw the ball to compete.

I'm all for a power running scheme, when we do run the ball. But that's different than just saying we're gonna run the ball all game every game.

A good start to a power running game, would be to actually line-up under C sometimes. Can be more of a power running scheme and have better playaction passing out of that too.

I really hope the new OC has way more flexibility/variety on how we line-up. Watching a Turner offense, you'd damn near think it's illegal to take a direct snap.

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That eye popping paragraph just reinforces me wanting both of them gone. Period.

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I just don’t see how a power run team can be successful in nfl now. I think the best yiu could ask for is a solid mediocre team, occasional division winner in a weak division but never a Super Bowl contender.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Ron hired Norv for the vacant OC position.....Norv has a proven track record of calling a balanced offensive scheme.

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[quote=mooby;1335868][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35420874/commanders-seek-fresh-start-oc-fire-scott-turner[/url]

The eye-popping paragraph to me:



So let me get this straight. On a team with McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, and ex-WR Antonio Gibson at RB, Ron and Mayhew want us to be a physical power running team?

I like Brian Robinson, but he's not Derrick Henry. And this gameplan of "we're gonna wear teams down with our physicality and start breaking big gainers in the 4th quarter" only works if the defense holds the other team in check. You can't be a physical running team if you're down by 10+ in the second half.

Ron and Mayhew are trying to take us back to the 80's on this one. If his gameplan is to keep the qb under 20 passes and Robinson over 20 carries every game it remains to be seen whether that can be a winning style.[/quote]

Running the hell out of the ball is what got us those wins late in the season. I'm more upset that Ron didn't tell Scott to just run the f*cking ball.

Scott Turner called plays as though we had Patrick Mahommes on the team. We don't; we can't be a vertical team with the QBs that we had this season.

Good coaches adjust. Look at what Pete Carroll did when he rolled with Russ as a rookie. He won by running the ball and playing tough defense.

The problem this year is that we had two QBs that just couldn't pass the ball at all. Wentz had the arm but was erratic and inaccurate, and TH had a noodle arm and was inaccurate.

We need to be a power running team and use the run to set up the pass. And we need a QB that can be mobile, with good accuracy, can thrive in play action, and can hit the deep ball when needed. I think Howell can do that next year, and the team can transition to be more passing oriented as he grows as a QB.

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Well its worked for the Titans. Oh, hang on...

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1335877]I wouldn't be surprised if Ron hired Norv for the vacant OC position.....Norv has a proven track record of calling a balanced offensive scheme.[/quote]

That would be weird. I don't think his dad would take his fired son's position. He's too old anyways, get someone younger.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1335879]Well its worked for the Titans. Oh, hang on...[/quote]

It stopped working for the Titans because Tannehill didn't improve as a passer.

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[quote=mooby;1335868][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35420874/commanders-seek-fresh-start-oc-fire-scott-turner[/url]

The eye-popping paragraph to me:



So let me get this straight. On a team with McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, and ex-WR Antonio Gibson at RB, Ron and Mayhew want us to be a physical power running team?

I like Brian Robinson, but he's not Derrick Henry. And this gameplan of "we're gonna wear teams down with our physicality and start breaking big gainers in the 4th quarter" only works if the defense holds the other team in check. You can't be a physical running team if you're down by 10+ in the second half.

Ron and Mayhew are trying to take us back to the 80's on this one. If his gameplan is to keep the qb under 20 passes and Robinson over 20 carries every game it remains to be seen whether that can be a winning style.[/quote]
Let’s be honest Mooby, Samuels and Thomas aren’t elite pass catchers. Their best years are behind them and even the. They weren’t standouts.
Also, if you don’t have a QB you better be able to run the ball.

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[quote=jamf;1335887]Let’s be honest Mooby, Samuels and Thomas aren’t elite pass catchers. Their best years are behind them and even the. They weren’t standouts.
Also, if you don’t have a QB you better be able to run the ball.[/quote]

Agreed, they're not elite but they don't need to be. Thomas was a solid pass catching option before this season. Samuel doesn't need to be elite when Dotson and McLaurin are better receivers than him. But Samuel can make plays in space - we need an OC who can design plays for him too just so teams will respect him. Turner literally had a couple plays for him which was running him off the fullback spot.

This just tells me Ron is not looking at this offseason for a qb who can make plays - he wants a qb that can manage the game effectively and make a play here and there when needed. It's not a recipe for success in the modern NFL. And I get his options are limited. But he's setting himself up for failure when the new owner gets his feet wet next offseason.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1335854]Come on down Panthers QB coach!!![/quote]

This...

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[quote=mooby;1335868][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35420874/commanders-seek-fresh-start-oc-fire-scott-turner[/url]

The eye-popping paragraph to me:



So let me get this straight. On a team with McLaurin, Samuel, Dotson, Logan Thomas, and ex-WR Antonio Gibson at RB, Ron and Mayhew want us to be a physical power running team?

I like Brian Robinson, but he's not Derrick Henry. And this gameplan of "we're gonna wear teams down with our physicality and start breaking big gainers in the 4th quarter" only works if the defense holds the other team in check. You can't be a physical running team if you're down by 10+ in the second half.

Ron and Mayhew are trying to take us back to the 80's on this one. If his gameplan is to keep the qb under 20 passes and Robinson over 20 carries every game it remains to be seen whether that can be a winning style.[/quote]

Spot on Moby. These guys don't know what the hell they want to be. We're just directionless. Here you have Ron and MM wanting a power running game but you have nothing but pass catchers for the most part on offense. You spent almost 30 million on Wentz to throw the ball. You have to be able to throw the ball in the current NFL to win. Period.

Sigh.. I just want all of this regime gone. It needs to be blown up and get a GM who knows how to build a team. The GM and the coach have to have the same DNA. Ron is not the guy. Great culture changer and all but that's it.

Re: Scott Turner Fired
 

Call Frank Reich and if McVay retires Thomas Brown Rams OC.

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If you want to be a SB caliber team in the league today you simply have to have an elite type of air game. Sure there are teams that can run it and make the playoffs but they're ceiling is just that. This is why I don't want these defense first coaches. They are just not w/ the times when it comes to the NFL.

If you put Mahomes in this offense what are you going to do? Run the ball 40 times? If he was on this team Terry, Dotson and Samuel would all be near or over 1,000 yards and we'd be making deep playoff runs.

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Turner was a poor OC but both Rivera and Mayhew are worse at their jobs. Neither one of them has a clue about how to build an NFL team in the 21st century. They need to to be fired more than Turner did.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1335894][B]If you want to be a SB caliber team in the league today you simply have to have an elite type of air game[/B]. Sure there are teams that can run it and make the playoffs but they're ceiling is just that. This is why I don't want these defense first coaches. They are just not w/ the times when it comes to the NFL.

If you put Mahomes in this offense what are you going to do? Run the ball 40 times? If he was on this team Terry, Dotson and Samuel would all be near or over 1,000 yards and we'd be making deep playoff runs.[/quote]

You most certainly can't have what we did in 22 to regularly complete.

In the old days, you ran to set-up the pass. Now, ideally you need to have a good passing game to set-up the running game. The rules dictate this. It's way harder to march down the field running the ball than just hitting some chunk pass plays.

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[url]https://twitter.com/john_keim/status/1612902860475486208[/url]

[quote=Keim]
Ron Rivera said he believes in being a run-first team, pointing to teams that are: "they control the tempo of the game and I think that's what we need to do to win football games. We need to control that tempo of the game. I do believe in a two-back system."
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Oof. How many SB's were won in the last 20 years off the strength of the "control the clock with 2 running backs" system? Ron might be digging his grave on this one. I get we don't have a qb he trusts right now but it's basically signaling defeat on the qb market this offseason.

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I honestly don't get all the fuss.

[I]"...There appeared to be a divide between Rivera's vision for what he wanted offensively -- led by a power run game -- and Turner's vertical passing attack. Rivera and general manager Martin Mayhew both emphasized the desire to be more of a physical running team."[/I]

GOOD!

You can have a physical running game and a vertical passing game. You can have a vertical passing game "LED" by a power run game. It's not like you have to choose one of the two. I mean do you want to be a "non"-physical running team, or do you want to be a physical running team? Pretty easy answer if you ask me. Maybe all they are talking about is the same thing all of us have been talking about, which is they want to remake the offensive line so they can be more "physical". I'm ok with that. It doesn't mean they are going to stop throwing the ball to McLaurin, Dotson, etc. I think they realize the value in them, which is why McLaurin was extended and they picked Dotson in the 1st round.

It's easy to make something out of nothing with everything us fans have been through over the last two plus decades, but sometimes it's just not as bad as it may seem.

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[url]https://twitter.com/PeteHaileyNBCS/status/1612924351468425216[/url]

[quote=Pete Hailey]
Where does Ron go now at OC — hire an old buddy or really try to inject new ideas and a new perspective? His track record here suggests the former. His future may largely depend on doing the latter
[/quote]

Hailey nails it here. We're looking at a Mayhew type yes-man to be Ron's pound the rock offensive coordinator.