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I think the refs calls were right, but slanted in favor of Seattle - I saw Allen tackled at least twice. The only call we got was one that was so obvious it was crazy (the end of 1st half grounding call) So yes the refs gave us some D

We need a d coordinator. We gave up way to much D for the 10th game in a row.

Sam Howell just plays. If he had a real line and a coordinator that ran the ball he could beat just about anybody's D

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Juste played as bad as a half as you could possibly play. Dude should never celebrate anything ever again. Him and JDR fucked the whole team.

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Negatives:

Rivera and staff, please leave.

Positives:

Howell, is the best Washington QB since Joe Theismann and yes, he's better than Kirk. If you still doubt him, then you are fucking idiot!!

Hire a GM that knows what he's doing, need to hit on every single one of those top 5 picks and sign some play-maker FA's.

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When it comes down to it, we don't have the talent. If you have better players you would make a tackle on a checkdown. Couple that in with bad breaks, very questionable to bad calls- we aren't good enough to overcome all of that.

Gotta give it to Sam. He kept us in the game. B Rob played a great game. Defense can not get to the QB w/out sending pressure. Allen and Payne? You guys have to cave the pocket, but for the most part, nothing from those two on the pass rush side.

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At this point in the season, it really is time for the new ownership group to step up and make a definitive statement. My preference would be RR and JDR gone, but someone needs to go.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1351758]Juste played as bad as a half as you could possibly play. Dude should never celebrate anything ever again. Him and JDR fucked the whole team.[/quote]

No pass rush = no pass defense. They go hand and hand and right now neither are any good.

I know everyone wants o-line for the draft but this defense is terrible. Davis is always out of position, all the time. He has no football instincts. Mayo and Hudson are just jags. There is not one person on defense that is top 10 at his position group.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1351771]No pass rush = no pass defense. They go hand and hand and right now neither are any good.

I know everyone wants o-line for the draft but this defense is terrible. Davis is always out of position, all the time. He has no football instincts. Mayo and Hudson are just jags. There is not one person on defense that is top 10 at his position group.[/quote]

All the more reason to let the D Staff go now.

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There is not one player on our D that is safe this offseason… NONE

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[quote=skinsfan69;1351771]No pass rush = no pass defense. They go hand and hand and right now neither are any good.

I know everyone wants o-line for the draft but this defense is terrible. Davis is always out of position, all the time. He has no football instincts. Mayo and Hudson are just jags. There is not one person on defense that is top 10 at his position group.[/quote]

Everyone said trade Sweat and Young, nice pass rush we have now.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1351769]At this point in the season, it really is time for the new ownership group to step up and make a definitive statement. My preference would be RR and JDR gone, but someone needs to go.[/quote]

That does nothing except satisfy frustrated fans. It's not going to make St Juste cover any better. Firing a coach mid season rarely if ever works. We got 7 more games to go w/ this staff. I can wait.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1351774]Everyone said trade Sweat and Young, nice pass rush we have now.[/quote]

We were bad with them but hard not think that one of them could have helped today. But you can't pay either the money that they wanted so might as well get something for them.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1351776]We were bad with them but hard not think that one of them could have helped today. But you can't pay either the money that they wanted so might as well get something for them.[/quote]

If we kept one, we had the $$$. SF is paying a lot more players and have 5 1st rounders on the Dline.

Young
Bosa
Armstead
Kinlaw
Ferrell

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Defense gave up 27 first downs and Seattle ran 74!!! Plays

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I would gave kept Sweat … traded Payne or Allen for First rounder .. not Both of our Edge ..

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[quote=rocnrik;1351781]I would gave kept Sweat … traded Payne or Allen for First rounder .. not Both of our Edge ..[/quote]

Stupid Rivera and clown staff recommended it.

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Pros

We have a quarterback
Snyder isn’t here
That should be enough for us all to be excited about the future. But in the spirit of the post Ill finish.

BR is legit. Lotta people were kind of down on him this year talking about how we needed something or someone else but he is a playmaker.

Tress Way was masterful on holds tonight.

Thats about all the standout performances there were.

Cons


Ron and Jack … again.

Cheeseman is a liability

Our wr’s do not create separation- i love Terry but he is not a superstar im sorry. That being said, our oline really doesn’t allow for them to get open. Which leads me to …

Our oline - all of it is trash.

Our lb’s

Our secondary especially bsj. Man he fuckin blows.

Allen - is he just going through the motions and pouting out there? Dude is not good this year.

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[quote=punch it in;1351786]Pros

We have a quarterback
Snyder isn’t here
That should be enough for us all to be excited about the future. But in the spirit of the post Ill finish.

BR is legit. Lotta people were kind of down on him this year talking about how we needed something or someone else but he is a playmaker.

Tress Way was masterful on holds tonight.

Thats about all the standout performances there were.

Cons


Ron and Jack … again.

Cheeseman is a liability

Our wr’s do not create separation- i love Terry but he is not a superstar im sorry. That being said, our oline really doesn’t allow for them to get open. Which leads me to …

Our oline - all of it is trash.

Our lb’s

Our secondary especially bsj. Man he fuckin blows.

Allen - is he just going through the motions and pouting out there? Dude is not good this year.[/quote]

Should have traded him instead of Sweat. If he’s pouting he better get over it, cause there is a new sheriff in town about to make some drastic changes next year.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1351787]Should have traded him instead of Sweat. If he’s pouting he better get over it, cause there is a new sheriff in town about to make some drastic changes next year.[/QUOTE]


Agreed

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Payne is the biggest disappointment. 27 tackels and 1 sack. We should have tagged him signed Sweat.

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OL has gotten a little better but it’s still bad.

Howell is taking the League by storm. He now leads the nfl in yards passing and top 3 in TDs.

We found our guy for atleast next year (hopefully many years)

RBs were good today

WRs were not.

TEs played well.

DL ? Bad

LBs? Atrocious

DBs? Ugly

Coaching? Worst in the league.

This team will beat the bad teams because of Howell and EB. But we will lose to all of the good teams.

6-11 most likely


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It’s kind of the best case for us


We saw Sam grew in a hostile environment and we lost in a hard game to help our draft position


RR is just a lame duck , all we should care about at this point is Sam’s growth and building around him

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1351791]OL has gotten a little better but it’s still bad.

Howell is taking the League by storm. He now leads the nfl in yards passing and top 3 in TDs.

We found our guy for atleast next year (hopefully many years)

RBs were good today

WRs were not.

TEs played well.

DL ? Bad

LBs? Atrocious

DBs? Ugly

Coaching? Worst in the league.

This team will beat the bad teams because of Howell and EB. But we will lose to all of the good teams.

6-11 most likely


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Dude! You are still a Howell doubter, what more do you want to see from Howell that you haven't? When you make a comment:

We found our guy for atleast next year (hopefully many years)

Then I consider you a doubter.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1351793]Dude! You are still a Howell doubter, what more do you want to see from Howell that you haven't? When you make a comment:

We found our guy for atleast next year (hopefully many years)

Then I consider you a doubter.[/QUOTE]


Im a huge fan but I’m also in denial because of our trash luck franchise we have. Lol


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F that I want to win games. What has draft position done? Nothing. 1st rounders are 50% at best. You can find players in every single round. You can find players that are undrafted. The name of the game is to win and right now we aren't doing that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1351795]F that I want to win games. What has draft position done? Nothing. 1st rounders are 50% at best. You can find players in every single round. You can find players that are undrafted. The name of the game is to win and right now we aren't doing that.[/quote]

Bobby B. was the best at that, if we could only find his clone.

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All cons except for Sam, BRob, and AG. O-line played well enough too, but the rest of the team did not. Predictable...

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[quote=punch it in;1351786]Pros

We have a quarterback
Snyder isn’t here
That should be enough for us all to be excited about the future. But in the spirit of the post Ill finish.

BR is legit. Lotta people were kind of down on him this year talking about how we needed something or someone else but he is a playmaker.

Tress Way was masterful on holds tonight.

Thats about all the standout performances there were.

Cons


Ron and Jack … again.

Cheeseman is a liability

Our wr’s do not create separation- i love Terry but he is not a superstar im sorry. That being said, our oline really doesn’t allow for them to get open. Which leads me to …

Our oline - all of it is trash.

Our lb’s

Our secondary especially bsj. Man he fuckin blows.

Allen - is he just going through the motions and pouting out there? Dude is not good this year.[/quote]

I'd add Bieneimy as a "Con." His play calling is too uneven and it doesn't even seem like he prepares for the opponent. He seems overly-enamored with his playbook and his "style," whatever that may be. He's too pass happy for my liking and I'm still waiting for him to properly adjust to what is happening in front of him.

Seattle primarily went with 6 DB's today and it took Bieneimy to the 4th quarter to attack the edge in the running game. He, JDR, and Rivera are horrible and have royally effed up this season due to their incompetency. This team should have 6 or 7 wins at this juncture. Unfortunately, the team are being held back because of bottom 5 league coaching.

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The PI on Juste was not a PI and it was on 4th down….The Referees are continually screwing this team over And I do not see that changing….

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Allen had the only sack and the most QB hits. Trading the DE starters was always going to impact the effectiveness of the rest of the D-linemen. The trade Allen talk is just dumb.

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[quote=tomo366;1351799]The PI on Juste was not a PI and it was on 4th down….The Referees are continually screwing this team over And I do not see that changing….[/quote]

Ultimately the penalties didn't change the game. We had it in our control at least to go to overtime, and our defense couldn't do it.


The ref's are bad in the whole league and it is worse now that NY steps in unevenly. The NFL needs to do something about it this off-season.

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Giving a 1st down, on a 4th down, on a really shitty call is the definition of changing the game to me.

Coaching is as abysmal as the refs. EB can go with the rest of them.

Onto next week, with another game we should have won.

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The refs booting Forbes from the game had a huge impact. BSJ was exposed due to Forbes abscense.

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The cold hard reality is there is a talent deficit at every single position group on this roster with the exception of QB and DT (and K and P). And the DTs were here before Ron showed up, too.

Our WRs aren't getting separation and all of them ave dropped more balls than they should this season. Our OL can't hold blocks long enough to let routes develop and they're not good at run blocking, either. We don't have any great TEs to feature in the Bieniemy offense and our RBs are masterful at running up the gut and getting 0-2 yards.

The DEs are inconsistent in getting pressure. JSW and Toohill are more disciplined than Chase and Sweat were but they don't generate the same pressure. None of them consistently got/get sacks. The LBs are stuck in concrete aside from Jamin who can move fast but can't cover. The corners get beat routinely.

St. Juste interferes on 90% of plays and rolls the dice on how often he gets called for it. Curl is good not great and just one guy.

We traded up to draft a LS who can't snap the ball. Tress is Tress - thank god for him. Slye is good despite missing the PAT today.

Howell is a top-10 guy but he's young and going to make rookie mistakes.

Not every position group needs to be great to have a great team, but we just don't have the horses to be a contending team. Rivera and co. have had some awful drafts and FA misses.

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We don't have the coaches, either..... at all.

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Yeah the coaching staff needs to go yesterday.

I'd like to go after one of the hotshot GM candidates like Ian Cunningham or Andy Weidl - both AGMs who came up under Ozzie in Baltimore and spent several seasons in Philadelphia including their SB victory.

Let the GM pick the HC, but ideally someone like Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowik who got his NFL coaching start in Washington.

Rivera and JDR are horrendous. Not impressed with Bieniemy, either.

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EB can go too. I just feel there have GOT TO BE..... better options out there who could and will do more with the talent on this team (OL aside). I don't believe in EB and I absolutely would not mind if he were shown the.door with the rest of the circus.

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[quote=CapsCommies;1351807]Yeah the coaching staff needs to go yesterday.

I'd like to go after one of the hotshot GM candidates like Ian Cunningham or Andy Weidl - both AGMs who came up under Ozzie in Baltimore and spent several seasons in Philadelphia including their SB victory.

Let the GM pick the HC, but ideally someone like Ben Johnson or Bobby Slowik who got his NFL coaching start in Washington.

Rivera and JDR are horrendous. Not impressed with Bieniemy, either.[/quote]

I would like to see Kyle Smith hired as our GM, he should have been except Ron got rid of him and Kevin O’Connell as his OC. What a moron.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1351811]I would like to see Kyle Smith hired as our GM, he should have been except Ron got rid of him and Kevin O’Connell as his OC. What a moron.[/quote]

Kyle's on my interview list, too. The interesting thing about him is he'd already be familiar with several people in the personnel department. Not sure how I feel about bringing back a mainstay from the Snyder Days but open to it.

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[quote=CapsCommies;1351812]Kyle's on my interview list, too. The interesting thing about him is he'd already be familiar with several people in the personnel department. Not sure how I feel about bringing back a mainstay from the Snyder Days but open to it.[/quote]

Obviously Snyder let him walk, so I don’t hold it against him. Can You imagine if dumb Snyder would have hired O’Connell as HC with Smith as GM? That’s what I wanted, we would be at least be in the playoffs.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1351813]Obviously Snyder let him walk, so I don’t hold it against him. Can You imagine if dumb Snyder would have hired O’Connell as HC with Smith as GM? That’s what I wanted, we would be at least be in the playoffs.[/quote]

We would still be playing with a handicap bc of Snyder's wretchedness. In retrospect I'm thankful for every negative contributor to bottoming out and getting Dan to sell. That we lucked into a franchise QB just before he could convince Snyder to hold onto the team is downright miraculous. If we started Howell last season and he balled out, Snyder probably wouldn't have sold.