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Seriously. Did anyone else watch Rivera’s presser where the reporter asked about the “heated conversations” on the sideline?


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[quote=DynamiteRave;1353075]Seriously. Did anyone else watch Rivera’s presser where the reporter asked about the “heated conversations” on the sideline?


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Hard to watch.

He’s so obviously in over his head at this point. Players have lost faith, coaches don’t care anymore, and the fans have to watch a shit product trot out for the rest of the season before the slate gets wiped clean, again.

But hey, “there’s always next year.”

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we got 5 more games to go w/ this group. the crowd that wants ron gone today, it serves no purpose. there isn't a head coach on the staff at all. 5 more games to go w/ these clowns.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1353079]we got 5 more games to go w/ this group. the crowd that wants ron gone today, it serves no purpose. there isn't a head coach on the staff at all. 5 more games to go w/ these clowns.[/quote]

Agreed. Letting Ron go now only says they're trying to save the season.

There is no saving this season. There's no mid-to-late season run waiting for us. We have a very tough schedule and a mediocre roster or coaching staff (why not both?). Take the L's for the rest of the year and let the next coaching staff use that high draft pick to start fresh next year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1353079]we got 5 more games to go w/ this group. the crowd that wants ron gone today, it serves no purpose. there isn't a head coach on the staff at all. 5 more games to go w/ these clowns.[/quote]

You are right !!! I would seriously take a look at Dan Quinn .. I know he is from Dallas .. I would at least put him in the conversation..

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[quote=rocnrik;1353082]You are right !!! I would seriously take a look at Dan Quinn .. I know he is from Dallas .. I would at least put him in the conversation..[/quote]

Quinn is one of these guys where I can't tell if he is just a really good coordinator or if he deserves a second chance at HC. It's obvious he's a really good coordinator, but why did things go so bad for him in Atlanta? Our best hope is that he takes another HC job in the offseason.

I thought after last week hopefully we'd get over embarrassing losses, but man does it suck watching the Cowboys roll us on Thanksgiving. And seeing Daron Bland break the INT/TD record was the dagger.

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We knew this was gonna happen .. we may not win another game this season and I’m good with it .. I’m holding out on Sam but damn the team is so bad it’s hard to tell .. look at Terry .. he isn’t playing up to his standards.. I truly think the players have given in to the noise and it’s gonna be dismal the rest of year .. every fan that attends any of the home games should bring out the paper bags .. we are on that level

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There isn’t a game we will win. 4-13 and the number 3 pick is coming


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[quote=DynamiteRave;1353075]Seriously. Did anyone else watch Rivera’s presser where the reporter asked about the “heated conversations” on the sideline?


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I missed the heated conversation.
Any clips?
Maybe too many tears 😭

Defensively… safeties and linebackers have zero positive impact on the game.

Not really much to talk about. We weren’t a few plays away from winning this one. Bad across the board.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1353092]I missed the heated conversation.
Any clips?
Maybe too many tears [emoji24]

Defensively… safeties and linebackers have zero positive impact on the game.

Not really much to talk about. We weren’t a few plays away from winning this one. Bad across the board.[/QUOTE]


We have the slowest LBs and DBs I’ve ever seen


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Scary considering our next opponent has 4 track guys on offense.
Dolphins are going to be up 28 at halftime.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1353093]We have the slowest LBs and DBs I’ve ever seen


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I think Jamin and #57 can run. They just lack discipline, instinct and skill. #51 and #47, I agree, slow af & just don't have the ability to play in the league.

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Dallas is really good this year especially their defense but they are not going to beat SF or Philly


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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1353093]We have the slowest LBs and DBs I’ve ever seen


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I expected our LB’s to be bad but our secondary is so much worse than I thought it would be.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1353105]I expected our LB’s to be bad but our secondary is so much worse than I thought it would be.[/QUOTE]


BSJ and Curl are absolutely toast in coverage. Fuller is slow and can’t keep up either. It’s ugly man. I wouldn’t bring any of them back next year. Keep Forbes of course and add cheap FA corners and maybe draft one in the 2nd


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Dak is 6-0 at home vs us. Literally owns us


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Miami is going to do things to us that are illegal in 137 countries.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1353108]Dak is 6-0 at home vs us. Literally owns us


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Everyone owns us. I think I’m done watching while this staff is in place. Didn’t watch today because I wanted to enjoy Thanksgiving. Hope you all did as well, this shit show aside.


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[QUOTE=calia;1353111]Everyone owns us. I think I’m done watching while this staff is in place. Didn’t watch today because I wanted to enjoy Thanksgiving. Hope you all did as well, this shit show aside.


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I watched and enjoyed thanksgiving while watching lol. Losing don’t matter to me anymore with these guys. I’m so used to it now that I’m numb to it


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What happened to Jon Allen?? He’s been MIA all season. Payne has been more consistent this yr


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Next 5 games

Miami - Loss
Rams - Loss most likely
Jets - Win because they are soo bad on O
SF - Loss
Dallas - Loss (they’d beat us with backups)

5-12 and probably the 4th overall pick


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OptaStats:

Entering today, NFL teams were a combined 57-0 over the last 25 regular seasons when having a game with:

100+ rushing yards
250+ passing yards
35:00+ TOP
no more than 25 penalty yards
no more than 1 turnover

The Commanders did all that today and lost by 35.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1353090]There isn’t a game we will win. 4-13 and the number 3 pick is coming


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I'd say 6-11.....

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1353114]What happened to Jon Allen?? He’s been MIA all season. Payne has been more consistent this yr


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I think he's frustrated by the constant losing that he's not giving his all....I think his morale is low.....it's having a negative impact on how he's playing.
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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1353123]I'd say 6-11.....[/quote]

Nah, we win one more (against the Jets). 5-12

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[QUOTE=mooby;1353126]Nah, we win one more (against the Jets). 5-12[/QUOTE]


Jets D is probably going to be the best we have seen. Our D is as bad as their O. Gonna be a toss up.

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Love this guy, tells it like it is.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/live/eVDsIp6GQ5c?si=1-0me9LAl2aP9Jp9[/url]

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The tank rolls on. Just 5 more games of this mess before we turn the page and the Harris Era truly begins.

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3rd and 1? 4th and 1? time for shotgun :/ 3 out of 3 times.

back 7 just don't have it. feel free to throw coaching in there too.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1353124]I think he's frustrated by the constant losing that he's not giving his all....I think his morale is low.....it's having a negative impact on how he's playing.
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My honest opinion is this applies to the whole roster in varying degrees. They all realise the coaching staff is toast, including EB. And I think to a man they've given up. I think Howell is the possible exception, though I suspect in his case, his bad games are happening because he feels he has to force it as everyone else around him has all but given up.

Now you may say they're professionals and should still play, but anyone who's been in a badly managed job knows that eventually it'll wear you down, and some of these guys have been in that situation for years. Many were probably hoping for changes last offseason and saw this season as a slow death of the RR era. Notably, I think the departure of Harris had a very detrimental effect on the secondary.

I can't help feeling that with a new FO regime and much better coaches, a lot of the players being criticised will see a resurgence. We still need holes filled, particularly at OL and LB, but I don't think this roster is nearly as bad as it's being made out to be.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1353132]My honest opinion is this applies to the whole roster in varying degrees. They all realise the coaching staff is toast, including EB. And I think to a man they've given up. I think Howell is the possible exception, though I suspect in his case, his bad games are happening because he feels he has to force it as everyone else around him has all but given up.

Now you may say they're professionals and should still play, but anyone who's been in a badly managed job knows that eventually it'll wear you down, and some of these guys have been in that situation for years. Many were probably hoping for changes last offseason and saw this season as a slow death of the RR era. Notably, I think the departure of Harris had a very detrimental effect on the secondary.

I can't help feeling that with a new FO regime and much better coaches, a lot of the players being criticised will see a resurgence. We still need holes filled, particularly at OL and LB, but I don't think this roster is nearly as bad as it's being made out to be.[/QUOTE]


Maybe, but a lot of guys will need to have a resurgence next year - it isn’t just a few. I think it’s a combo of some non-NFL level talent (much of our OL, LBs, and secondary) and some good or even great players badly underachieving. But it’s hard to point to anyone playing well consistently right now.

Part of me hopes RR gets canned today as it can’t get worse and it will signal to the players that change is coming. Maybe that second group will show some life before season’s end.

I see RR refused to answer the question of how the players can expect a different result if things don’t change. Seriously, that’s pathetic - it’s a fair question and he owes everyone a response.


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[quote=That Guy;1353131]3rd and 1? 4th and 1? time for shotgun :/ 3 out of 3 times.

back 7 just don't have it. feel free to throw coaching in there too.[/quote]

Yeah that was ridiculous...
Crazy busy lately, barely had time to watch the game in 40 version of games these past few weeks. Hard to care... I felt before the start of season this year was a wash and still took as a W... but actually feeling like watching a 1[I][U]7 games pre-season is boring AF.[/U][/I]

Have a hard time evaluating anybody under this sh*tty staff... especially secondary, don't think we have anybody outstanding, but hard to label anybody a bum, cuz [I][U]secondaries under JDR have consistently been disastrously awful[/U][/I]... so it has to be coaching to some extent...

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1353132]
I can't help feeling that with a new FO regime and much better coaches, a lot of the players being criticised will see a resurgence. We still need holes filled, particularly at OL and LB, but I don't think this roster is nearly as bad as it's being made out to be.[/quote]

A new coaching staff doesn’t come in and fill gaps. They will want to stack the team with their type of guys. Defense is going to change the most. 43 vs 34, cover 2 vs bump and run. Who knows what the next coach is going to install.
Expect 50% turnover on D. Some of the players will fit better than others.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1353134]Yeah that was ridiculous...
Crazy busy lately, barely had time to watch the game in 40 version of games these past few weeks. Hard to care... I felt before the start of season this year was a wash and still took as a W... but actually feeling like watching a 1[I][U]7 games pre-season is boring AF.[/U][/I]

Have a hard time evaluating anybody under this sh*tty staff... especially secondary, don't think we have anybody outstanding, but hard to label anybody a bum, cuz [I][U]secondaries under JDR have consistently been disastrously awful[/U][/I]... so it has to be coaching to some extent...[/quote]

[quote=jamf;1353135]A new coaching staff doesn’t come in and fill gaps. They will want to stack the team with their type of guys. Defense is going to change the most. 43 vs 34, cover 2 vs bump and run. Who knows what the next coach is going to install.
Expect 50% turnover on D. Some of the players will fit better than others.[/quote]

I agree with you both to a large extent, I just feel that it doesn't have to be 20-25 guys being replaced to see an improvement. Coaching, and particularly bringing in coaches with better energy, will make a bigger difference than anything, and that may invigorate the 70-80% of the roster that's, in the past, been at a good NFL level. I just feel that some of these guys were good last season or the year before, and can't see how many suddenly became JAG's purely because their talent supposedly disappeared.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1353121]OptaStats:

Entering today, NFL teams were a combined 57-0 over the last 25 regular seasons when having a game with:

100+ rushing yards
250+ passing yards
35:00+ TOP
no more than 25 penalty yards
no more than 1 turnover

The Commanders did all that today and lost by 35.[/quote]

This team is all about breaking records and streaks. Not our good ones, but any record a team can set against us, bet they will. Any bad streak our opponents have had forever, they will end it in our game. It's uncanny how good they are at it

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at this point keep SH healthy and let him work with EB and rack up losses; that is the best case scenario

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1353137]I agree with you both to a large extent, I just feel that it doesn't have to be 20-25 guys being replaced to see an improvement. Coaching, and particularly bringing in coaches with better energy, will make a bigger difference than anything, and that may invigorate the 70-80% of the roster that's, in the past, been at a good NFL level. [B]I just feel that some of these guys were good last season or the year before, and can't see how many suddenly became JAG's purely because their talent supposedly disappeared[/B].[/quote]

Agreed. And look around the league, good coaching makes good team with a couple of really good players surrounded by quality jags... Especially on defense.

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[quote=mredskins;1353140]at this point keep SH healthy and let him work with EB and rack up losses; that is the best case scenario[/quote]

I won't be one bit shocked if at some point in this season Sam tears his Achilles or ACL on the field at Fedex. He has to scramble so often and takes hits on the run too often for it not to happen to this team. Can't have a potential QB stay healthy through a full season.

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Forget the coaching…yes it’s not great, but this roster isn’t very good.

I see no problem cleaning house in the front office during the bye week.

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Offense had 400 plus yards yesterday but only 10 points.... Yards are fine and all but points matter most...