NFC East Off-Season Recalibration
 

In his introductory press conference, new HC Dan Quinn called this off-season a recalibration for our team. I want to expand that to the whole of the NFC East.
Looking at all 4 teams even the winning ones were in meltdown mode as the season ended.

Philly - fired OC and DC, and brought in Kellen Moore as the OC, and Vic Fangio as their DC, either one of whom could be put in as interim HC if their late-season struggles continue into the start of next season. Plus they are losing several mainstay players due to age.
per overthecap.com: Effective Cap Space: 16.2M(rank #16) players under contract 2024: 62 draft picks:9

Dallas - Lost 3 defensive coaches and brought in Zimmer as DC. Pollard, Tyron Smith likely leaves in FA. Gillmore is a FA too, and I don't think it's a stretch for him to follow Quinn/Whitt to DC
Effective Cap Space: [COLOR="Red"]-22.8M[/COLOR](#27) players under contract:60 draft picks:7

NYG - If Washington was it's usual epitome of dysfunction last season, the Giants took it to a whole new level with rumors of the DC creating his own fiefdom, and the HC going ballistic randomly. They also fired their DC and brought in the Titans DC to replace him. They have 26 free agents (from spotrac.com) including Adoree Jackson and Saquon Barkley. And $47M tied up on a questionable QB.
Effective Cap Space: 14.0M(#18) players under contract:54 draft picks:7

Washington - Fired entire Dan Snyder era shell, and brought in new GM, HC and entire football staff.
Effective Cap Space: 62.6M(#1) players under contract:50 draft picks:9

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The rebuild narrative is mostly false…this league allows for a quick turnaround but you gotta make the right moves in the right spots: QB, coaching especially, but drafting a Micah Parsons or signing a Trent Williams can be significant “unit lifters” too.

Decision makers and “aligned vision” gotta be pulling in the right direction

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we're going to be stuck with either a rookie qb or a middling one, so I don't see a superbowl in our immediate future. Without either good QB play or decent QB play + great defense, there's not going to be a record-flip in 2024.

Maybe our #2 pick plays great, maybe we bring in some OL/LBs that can actually play, and the team gets coached up, but chances are 2024 is spent getting experience and getting everyone on the same page.

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Cowboys introduced Mike Zimmer today. Even though Jerry Jones wasn't physically at the press conference listening to Zimmer you know he was in the press conference. McCarthy has to be feeling like he's on the hot seat and walking on eggshells if anything goes wrong next season.

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Was talking to a fellow fan at work the other day and in reference to the talent, free agents, etc: I don’t care about anyone on this team.

You are coming off the worst season since Zorn/Spurrier error. Get rid of everyone. I don’t care if they sign Curl, trade Allen, cut Thomas or move Sam. I’m numb to our current talent.

The only guys I may have a slight inclination of moving forward would be Terry, Payne, Dotson, Cosmi…but if Peters moved on from any of these folks I could care less

I’d like a brand new team and think a complete turnover is needed. I’d like us to be active in free agency in bringing in guys who can actually play…too long we suffered from middling talent.

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There's definitely talent on this team. The previous coaches just didn't know how to get the most of their talent.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359286]There's definitely talent on this team. The previous coaches just didn't know how to get the most of their talent.[/quote]

I think Forbes will be the ultimate test on the old staff. It's gonna be a huge knock on them if Forbes plays well this year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1359285]Was talking to a fellow fan at work the other day and in reference to the talent, free agents, etc: I don’t care about anyone on this team.

You are coming off the worst season since Zorn/Spurrier error. Get rid of everyone. I don’t care if they sign Curl, trade Allen, cut Thomas or move Sam. I’m numb to our current talent.

The only guys I may have a slight inclination of moving forward would be Terry, Payne, Dotson, Cosmi…but if Peters moved on from any of these folks I could care less

I’d like a brand new team and think a complete turnover is needed. I’d like us to be active in free agency in bringing in guys who can actually play…too long we suffered from middling talent.[/quote]

That's a massive turnaround from what you said 3 posts earlier. :saywhat:

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1359288]I think Forbes will be the ultimate test on the old staff. It's gonna be a huge knock on them if Forbes plays well this year.[/quote]

between scheme and coaching i agree to an extent - it also will depend on him improving physically and mentally in the off-season - plus it will be his 2nd year. A lot of his development as a player/person is on him and the experience he gained this year will go a long way.

But from an outside POV you're right. The new staff will get hella praise and the old, well, they'll get what they deserve.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1359020]In his introductory press conference, new HC Dan Quinn called this off-season a recalibration for our team. I want to expand that to the whole of the NFC East.
Looking at all 4 teams even the winning ones were in meltdown mode as the season ended.

Philly - fired OC and DC, and brought in Kellen Moore as the OC, and Vic Fangio as their DC, either one of whom could be put in as interim HC if their late-season struggles continue into the start of next season. Plus they are losing several mainstay players due to age.
per overthecap.com: Effective Cap Space: 16.2M(rank #16) players under contract 2024: 62 draft picks:9

Dallas - Lost 3 defensive coaches and brought in Zimmer as DC. Pollard, Tyron Smith likely leaves in FA. Gillmore is a FA too, and I don't think it's a stretch for him to follow Quinn/Whitt to DC
Effective Cap Space: [COLOR="Red"]-22.8M[/COLOR](#27) players under contract:60 draft picks:7

NYG - If Washington was it's usual epitome of dysfunction last season, the Giants took it to a whole new level with rumors of the DC creating his own fiefdom, and the HC going ballistic randomly. They also fired their DC and brought in the Titans DC to replace him. They have 26 free agents (from spotrac.com) including Adoree Jackson and Saquon Barkley. And $47M tied up on a questionable QB.
Effective Cap Space: 14.0M(#18) players under contract:54 draft picks:7

Washington - Fired entire Dan Snyder era shell, and brought in new GM, HC and entire football staff.
Effective Cap Space: 62.6M(#1) players under contract:50 draft picks:9[/quote]
Cap space is around 24 million and will increase , not great but can be worked with.

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[quote=Meks;1359302]between scheme and coaching i agree to an extent - it also will depend on him improving physically and mentally in the off-season - plus it will be his 2nd year. A lot of his development as a player/person is on him and the experience he gained this year will go a long way.

But from an outside POV you're right. The new staff will get hella praise and the old, well, they'll get what they deserve.[/quote]

Yeah, if he plays marginally better, that could just be a 2nd year leap. But say he looks good and gets like 4 picks, that's gonna be credit to him but definitely credit to the new staff too. I'm excited to see him play next year, because I still have faith that he can be a good player for us.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1359288]I think Forbes will be the ultimate test on the old staff. It's gonna be a huge knock on them if Forbes plays well this year.[/quote]

Forbes was yet another HUGE draft mistake by RR. Christian Gonzalez falling to us was one of the easiest picks ever.

Get back to me when Forbes gains 25 pounds of muscle and grows a pair.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1359306]Forbes was yet another HUGE draft mistake by RR. Christian Gonzalez falling to us was one of the easiest picks ever.

Get back to me when Forbes gains 25 pounds of muscle and grows a pair.[/quote]

Funny he is mentioned in this recent espn article as a potential breakout candidate next year

Tannenbaum: Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Commanders. After an up-and-down rookie season, I expect this undersized (6-foot, 180 pounds) corner to thrive in coach Dan Quinn's defense. Forbes had one interception (and nine pass breakups) in 2023, but he had six picks in his final season at Mississippi State.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39524730/2024-nfl-predictions-experts-debate-mvp-super-bowl-picks-offseason-moves-breakout-candidates[/url]

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[quote=mredskins;1359310]Funny he is mentioned in this recent espn article as a potential breakout candidate next year

Tannenbaum: Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Commanders. After an up-and-down rookie season, I expect this undersized (6-foot, 180 pounds) corner to thrive in coach Dan Quinn's defense. Forbes had one interception (and nine pass breakups) in 2023, but he had six picks in his final season at Mississippi State.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39524730/2024-nfl-predictions-experts-debate-mvp-super-bowl-picks-offseason-moves-breakout-candidates[/url][/quote]

Well, if he was mentioned in a ESPN article then he must be a good player.

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[quote=mredskins;1359310]Funny he is mentioned in this recent espn article as a potential breakout candidate next year

Tannenbaum: Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Commanders. After an up-and-down rookie season, I expect this undersized (6-foot, 180 pounds) corner to thrive in coach Dan Quinn's defense. Forbes had one interception (and nine pass breakups) in 2023, but he had six picks in his final season at Mississippi State.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39524730/2024-nfl-predictions-experts-debate-mvp-super-bowl-picks-offseason-moves-breakout-candidates[/url][/quote]

That aboy Tannenbaum. His season can be way better next year by just 1 coaching decision, DO NOT FUCKING PUT HIM 1-ON-1 ON A.J. BROWN!! Very simple.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1359312]Well, if he was mentioned in a ESPN article then he must be a good player.[/quote]

I am not saying he is good at all, I just found it interesting in a 2024 forecast one writer picked Forbes

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[quote=mredskins;1359310]Funny he is mentioned in this recent espn article as a potential breakout candidate next year

Tannenbaum: Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Commanders. After an up-and-down rookie season, I expect this undersized (6-foot, 180 pounds) corner to thrive in coach Dan Quinn's defense. Forbes had one interception (and nine pass breakups) in 2023, but he had six picks in his final season at Mississippi State.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39524730/2024-nfl-predictions-experts-debate-mvp-super-bowl-picks-offseason-moves-breakout-candidates[/url][/quote]

I think St Juste will be better as well.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1359317]I think St Juste will be better as well.[/QUOTE]


Low bar. If he is anywhere near an opposing wide receiver for just a single play this year it will be an improvement.

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We better sign or draft a CB during the first three rounds because BSJ and Forbes are huuuuuge question marks.

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I had high hopes for St Juste. He's just been alright, and consistently that way since he's been here. I would cut bait. Use that $1.3 mil elsewhere.

I think you do make an effort to bring back Fuller though. Fuller, Forbes, and a FA CB - then draft one in the middle rounds.

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I think BSJ has regressed pretty bad. Obviously you can point to coaching, or lack there of but I agree. Cut bait and yeah bring back Fuller. Idc if they get another solid corner through FA or the early rounds but it is a definite need.

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[quote=punch it in;1359322]Low bar. If he is anywhere near an opposing wide receiver for just a single play this year it will be an improvement.[/quote]

Unfortunately, if he's anywhere near a WR, he will hold, grab, tackle, and get a penalty, or the guy will just catch it anyways.

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I think getting a true #1 CB and letting us push the rest of the depth down 1 spot would do wonders.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359336]I had high hopes for St Juste. He's just been alright, and consistently that way since he's been here. I would cut bait. Use that $1.3 mil elsewhere.

I think you do make an effort to bring back Fuller though. Fuller, Forbes, and a FA CB - then draft one in the middle rounds.[/quote]

I wouldn’t pay Fuller at his age. He played great this season in a contract year and overall he is a solid player, but he’s gonna be looking for that final big deal.

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[quote=Chico23231;1359357]I wouldn’t pay Fuller at his age. He played great this season in a contract year and overall he is a solid player, but he’s gonna be looking for that final big deal.[/quote]

He just turned 29, 4.5 years younger than Stephon Gilmore. I think he has a few more years in him for sure. He just may get that pay day here... I'd sign him to a 2-3 year deal.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359362]He just turned 29, 4.5 years younger than Stephon Gilmore. I think he has a few more years in him for sure. He just may get that pay day here... I'd sign him to a 2-3 year deal.[/quote]

I'm with you, Fuller is really the only legitimate CB they have on the roster.

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Fuller is definitely worth a nice, reasonable contract. If it's like 3 years and 40 million, thanks for your time here, and best of luck on your future endeavors.

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3 years / $42 million is what Spotrac projects his market value to be.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359491]3 years / $42 million is what Spotrac projects his market value to be.[/quote]

It's going to be interesting having so much cap space. I don't necessarily want to give out tons of huge contracts (I mean bigger than this), but you're also not maximizing your roster if you don't use most of your cap space. It's an interesting (and way better than any alternative) position to see how it plays out.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1359379]Fuller is definitely worth a nice, reasonable contract. If it's like 3 years and 40 million, [B]thanks for your time here, and best of luck on your future endeavors.[/B][/quote]

This is exactly what I’m saying to Fuller when I tell him we are moving on from him.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1359503]This is exactly what I’m saying to Fuller when I tell him we are moving on from him.[/QUOTE]


So we're rolling with St Juste, Forbes, Holmes, & Castro-Fields...and hoping we get a starter in the draft?

Not a lot of impressive names in free agency at the CB position.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1359505]So we're rolling with St Juste, Forbes, Holmes, & Castro-Fields...and hoping we get a starter in the draft?

Not a lot of impressive names in free agency at the CB position.[/quote]

I’m not giving up on Forbes and think he plays much better under new staff. St Juste, another young guy I’m gonna let the new staff get their hands on, he’s young, cheap and experienced.

I’d add a vet CB for sure, but I’m gonna let Quinn/Whitt choose their guy. Maybe a guy experienced in their system who can be another coach on the field.

Also, why not add another CB in the draft? Go get “their” guys.

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I think they will likely draft a CB, but can't see it happening before round 4, maybe later. Too many other holes - but it will all depend on what they do with Fuller and in FA.