Post Draft: Who do you want at WR2 / X Receiver?
 

At this point we still don't have a clear answer at WR2 Z receiver

Who would be the best and what are the pros and cons of each?

To aquire:
1. Brandon Aiyuk 28 - headcase risk, injured, possible?
2. Juane Jennings 28 - attitude risk, non separator possible?
3. Deebo Samuel 30- drops, not vertical, gadget, possible?
4. Tyreek Hill 32 - old, injured, legal, headcase risk
5. Keenan Allen 34 - old, mainly slot, wants other team
6. DeAndre Hopinks 33 - old, wants other teams, possible?
7. Stephon Diggs 32 - old, legal, headcase risk

And someone on the Roster?
1. Antonio Williams (drafted) mainly slot, can separate, possible?
2. Luke, mainly slot, non separator
3. Dyami, drops, non separator, limited route tree
4. Jefferson, non separator, catches well, possible?
5. Lane, mainly slot, undeveloped route tree
6. Burks, non separator

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Clarification: McLauren is obviously our #1 X receiver.
I am asking who you want opposite him as #2 Z receiver.
Sorry about the title, I can't fix it after posting.

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[quote=skinsnut;1380654]At this point we still don't have a clear answer at WR2 Z receiver

Who would be the best and what are the pros and cons of each?

To aquire:
1. Brandon Aiyuk 28 - headcase risk, injured, possible?
2. Juane Jennings 28 - attitude risk, non separator possible?
3. Deebo Samuel 30- drops, not vertical, gadget, possible?
4. Tyreek Hill 32 - old, injured, legal, headcase risk
5. Keenan Allen 34 - old, mainly slot, wants other team
6. DeAndre Hopinks 33 - old, wants other teams, possible?
7. Stephon Diggs 32 - old, legal, headcase risk

And someone on the Roster?
1. Antonio Williams (drafted) mainly slot, can separate, possible?
2. Luke, mainly slot, non separator
3. Dyami, drops, non separator, limited route tree
4. Jefferson, non separator, catches well, possible?
5. Lane, mainly slot, undeveloped route tree
6. Burks, non separator[/quote]

Not sure I agree that Luke M. isn't a separator. I am pretty sure that some of the analysis of his work pre-injury showed he got good separation but just wasn't being thrown the ball. Dyami also showed, albeit only in flashes in the 2024 playoffs, the ability to get behind a defense. But on the roster, I agree that no one has yet shown the ability to be a go-to WR2 (or, arguably, WR3).

Having said that, I am not a fan of the older retreads identified above with the possible exception of Deebo, who I thought played reasonably well for us last year under less than ideal circumstances.

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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like we are going to find a true #2 WR this year (barring a surprise trade). Other than Deebo, there is no FA WR that we should look into. I wouldn't oppose to bringing Deebo in for another 1 year deal as he can help us but we shouldn't expect him to lead.

Jauan Jennings has the talents to help us but it doesn't seem like he is a good person in general as there were some cases where some NFL players including Myles Garrett stated that Jennings said some things that are really cruel and disgusting to defense players during games. I definitely do not want that kind of individual on our team. Also, the fact that Jennings is in his prime years and yet 49ers aren't interested in bringing him back should tell us something.

At this point, it seems like Burks and Brown are the only serious contenders to battle for the spot..

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Regarding Luke, there is a world he gets cut to hopefully make the practice squad, although not likely as he plays teams well. Dyami did play well for his last 3 games for us, but then got his shot and didn't do well, again.
I don't buy the Dyami hype. To me, he only has a 50/50 shot to make the squad at all. Ideal for him is practice squad. The only advantage over Jefferson is he has is exp
erience with Jayden.
If we do nothing more, I'd expect Jefferson to make some noise as he doesn't drop the ball.
And regarding Luke's separation, I agree I saw him open, but as I recall, that was usually in zone, not so much beating man, which is essential when playing outside, otherwise, he's just another zone beating slot guy, which we have covered.

It's pretty clear going with what we have today is a huge risk as we have only one viable threat in Terry. At least last year we had Deebo to fall back on if TerrY got injured. As of right now, no one measures up to Deebo, and look what happened last year when Terry went down. I mean arguably, we should sign 2! Like Aiyuk and Diggs for instance. The problem with that is all these vets are head cases.

Going with what we've got is not just a gamble, it would be malpractice, far beyond dropping our center with a so so backup. If the idea is to help Jayden, we need to get lucky with a starting center and a starting WR to get cut and for us to scoop them up. Expecting a 1st year coordinator to score as much as kingsbury with 1 viable NFL starting WR is asking for trouble, unless you want to try to win games 20-18 all year with a defense who's goal would to achieve average (giving 24 points per game, not including special teams points)

I mean I'm not trying to be a downer, but in no world is a 3rd rounder going to become a 10 year NFL experienced 1000 yard Stephon Diggs. Not that I like his style, just his production.
Dyami and Luke borderline suck to me, and that is not a viable option for #2.
Otherwise, we are 7-10 at best and hope to work on getting a better WR a year from now.

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[quote=GridIron26;1380658]

At this point, it seems like Burks and Brown are the only serious contenders to battle for the spot..[/quote]

This comment is terrifying!

Most NFL teams would have these guys #6,7 and on their practice squad., not #2

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I'm thinking it will be a bit of a committee approach until we can get Aiyuk. Maybe Jennings is a fall back option.

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I have Aiyuk fatigue. Guy hasn't played in two years and it appears he isn't all that interested in playing. Plus he's coming off a major injury. I would not sign him.

They need to do a better job of drafting and also developing players. You have two guys in Lane and Luke. I sorta felt like Luke was starting to come on a little bit. You have Lane and now Williams. Also Dyami.. I feel like one out of the 4 can be a #2. You let them compete and figure it out.

Burks to me is a waste of time. The reason is he will never be able to stay healthy. Every single year he's been in the league he's been hurt.

Just because there isn't a clear cut guy doesn't mean you don't have one on the roster.

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For me, we have enough bodies - capable guys that have shown talent. Its time to step up and take a role. Luke & Lane will only get better IMO - i've seen enough to be confident in that.

I've said it before but I am not as concerned with WR, until i see otherwise, as some are. I have faith in what the eye test has proven thus far with the toung guys that doesnt make me NEED to add someone else. But i will take Ayuik on a one year prove it deal if thats an option to see what hes got and how he and JD mesh back together.

Otherwise I think the new offensive scheme, and more under center PA will allow for more separation. Kliffs scheme didnt do the WR TOO many favors in that department if you ask me.

Im cautiously optimistic... But optimistic nonetheless.

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[quote=Meks;1380663]

I've said it before but I am not as concerned with WR, until i see otherwise.[/quote]

I saw "otherwise" over 17 games last year.
We have Terry and a bunch of meh.
If it weren't for Deebo, who we don't have anymore and Terry goes down again we are in trouble. I don't see a high ceiling for Luke or anyone frankly other than our new draft pick.
Yes you can scheme better to make below average to average, but to win? You need a threat, which is why people would have even drafted Love. It is because of the dearth of firepower on offense.

Here's the deal, our GM is not a mastermind, he is pretty good but leaves major gaps that are obvious even to just fans like us. Last off-season we screamed for pass rushers, it was left undone, result? 12-5 to 5-12. He was a year too late. So he spend this year shoring that up at the expense of offense, which is obviously WR, and now oddly center which at one time was a top 3 lineman for us. He's been a year late before and hes gambling big time, and had an unforced error. I'm not saying I'm not happy with most moves, I am. I also buy into you can't fix everything in one off season too, but he's sitting on a huge wad of cash with a bad overall WR core and suspect CB depth with a questionable starter too. So unless he does a trade with someone like Newton, he is gambling that Sanrisil is miraculously better and is a shut down corner from a first year coordinator AND doesn't get hurt (not to mention his broken leg partner) and he is counting on either a late add Aiyuk or a mainly slot rookie to put up 750+ yards on the outside.

So I would argue, we HAVE seen otherwise with our WR depth chart, we know what it means to have bad or below average depth and no legit #2. We lived it last year and the results sucked

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There's nothing saying Burks can't resurrect his career but I doubt it. For me the WR room will likely look like this (keeping 6 because of ST's):

McLaurin
Williams
McCafferey
Jefferson
Lane

With possibly Aiyuk as #2 or 3 if they want him/he can produce, else Brown or Burks bringing up the rear. Deebo at a push (I do like him), but I think he's going to decline rapidly and everyone else on that list is a headcase, too old or both.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1380666]There's nothing saying Burks can't resurrect his career but I doubt it. For me the WR room will likely look like this (keeping 6 because of ST's):

McLaurin
Williams
McCafferey
Jefferson
Lane

With possibly Aiyuk as #2 or 3 if they want him/he can produce, else Brown or Burks bringing up the rear. Deebo at a push (I do like him), but I think he's going to decline rapidly and everyone else on that list is a headcase, too old or both.[/quote]

Sadly, I agree with your roster list.
Excluding outside help, if we roll with this we are asking for trouble.

I would argue the difference between a double digit loss team and a double digit win team depends on WR2. If we don't get additional help, enjoy a sad Thanksgiving again.

Of the outsiders list: the only ones I see making a strong difference:
1. Stephon Diggs (he is good, yet troubled)
2. Brandon Aiyuk (he was good, yet confused, but unavailable perhaps til Sept)

If we want to make the playoffs, we MUST sign one.
I hope I am wrong, but with our schedule, an average defense we must average 25 points plus a game, consistsantly, likely with 1 or two fewer drives this year.
Clutch receivers are needed when you slow down the game, run and do play action.
BTW, old farts can definitely get open with play action.

We cannot roll with what we currently have and be successful in my opinion

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[quote=skinsnut;1380664]I saw "otherwise" over 17 games last year.
We have Terry and a bunch of meh.
If it weren't for Deebo, who we don't have anymore and Terry goes down again we are in trouble. I don't see a high ceiling for Luke or anyone frankly other than our new draft pick.
Yes you can scheme better to make below average to average, but to win? You need a threat, which is why people would have even drafted Love. It is because of the dearth of firepower on offense.

Here's the deal, our GM is not a mastermind, he is pretty good but leaves major gaps that are obvious even to just fans like us. Last off-season we screamed for pass rushers, it was left undone, result? 12-5 to 5-12. He was a year too late. So he spend this year shoring that up at the expense of offense, which is obviously WR, and now oddly center which at one time was a top 3 lineman for us. He's been a year late before and hes gambling big time, and had an unforced error. I'm not saying I'm not happy with most moves, I am. I also buy into you can't fix everything in one off season too, but he's sitting on a huge wad of cash with a bad overall WR core and suspect CB depth with a questionable starter too. So unless he does a trade with someone like Newton, he is gambling that Sanrisil is miraculously better and is a shut down corner from a first year coordinator AND doesn't get hurt (not to mention his broken leg partner) and he is counting on either a late add Aiyuk or a mainly slot rookie to put up 750+ yards on the outside.

So I would argue, we HAVE seen otherwise with our WR depth chart, we know what it means to have bad or below average depth and no legit #2. We lived it last year and the results sucked[/quote]

I firmly believe in Lane & Luke taking step forward. That is the main basis of where my confidence comes from... But more slot as you mentioned - But would definitely add BA if the chance comes and give Lane a shot at stretching the field opposite of Terry.

Plenty of valid points - especially when youre talking about a #2 - Brown will end up there most likely, which eh, you'd hope he's still improving but... remains to be seen for sure.

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[quote=Meks;1380668]I firmly believe in Lane & Luke taking step forward. That is the main basis of where my confidence comes from... But more slot as you mentioned - But would definitely add BA if the chance comes and give Lane a shot at stretching the field opposite of Terry.

Plenty of valid points - especially when youre talking about a #2 - Brown will end up there most likely, which eh, you'd hope he's still improving but... remains to be seen for sure.[/quote]

I do not understand where your firm belief in Lane and Luke is coming from as it is certainly not from production or field time even in a heavily wounded year.
We are all fans and I get that, but hard evidence is lacking.
This sounds more like wishful thinking, hope or best case scenario to me.

Arguably, you can take any roster's 4 or 5 who returns kicks and have the same production here. The reason they are on the roster is the kicking game, not to be a primary receiving threat. I wish it weren't true but dang, Terry goes down an all you have is a single catch per game? That doesn't exactly screen productivity to me.
Ask yourself this question, would you rather have Deebo's production or these two?
They are on the roster because they are cheap, play teams and maybe could develop into some sort of backup receiver role. Unfortunately they didn't do the receiver part that well last year. We definitely have a Skins bias, but it is possible, but not likely, one could be cut because our rookie returns kicks too. That only happens if we sign 2 free agent receivers, which I would argue would be better for the team this year. If we could have them on the practice squad, we should, but that would be stolen.
If your WR are on the roster only to avoid being stolen on a practice squad, it tells you your WR room is crappy.
Saying all that, there is a world where Luke or Lane spent the off-season with a WR guru teaching them how to separate. That is the only way I see them click and moving up from w wr 4 and wr 5.
The rookie is likely already ahead of them in that category and in the NFL (ask Terry) route running is what separates starters from backups.

Ya gotta make life a little easier on your first year OC, and add the fact that Jayden has to learn life under center and you have enough learning curve challenges. I wish we had two Terrys. Diggs would be a game changer for me. Let our coach manage his personality. Gibbs did this all the time and won superbowls

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Let's not forget about Chig Okonkwo, I think we can pencil him in for 60+ catches. Also JD made an average cast outside of Terry look pretty good in his rookie year. Ultimately they're not done, when Aiyuk becomes available it just makes too much sense not to take a shot on him.

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[quote=MTK;1380671]Let's not forget about Chig Okonkwo, I think we can pencil him in for 60+ catches. Also JD made an average cast outside of Terry look pretty good in his rookie year. Ultimately they're not done, when Aiyuk becomes available it just makes too much sense not to take a shot on him.[/quote]

Good point on Chig, but he is just replacing Ertz.

If u look at 2024, we had 2 guys in Zacheus and Noah Brown who were historically 500nyard guys, and they ended up being our guys. The current roster has no one who has hit that mark once, except Jefferson one time years ago. That is my concern.
Plus we also had BRob in his prime and Eckler who was great. I am not sure we have adequately replaced any of these regardless of bar level. Where we are stronger is the online, except center. And Terry is 2 years older post injury too. We are at best the same level as then when we needed 6 miraculous comebacks winning by a point or two and frankly often chucking it up for grabs. Of course we had fun and most knew it was not sustainable. I remember we hadn't beaten a team with a winning record until after the Kliff Cliff, when Jayden made the world turn into candyland for a couple months of magical bliss.

We all drank the kool aid, the team ignored the pass rush problem, and didn't really do much other than speculate on reclamation projects of ex 49ers. I mean, I liked what Deebo did, I love Tunsil, and they did try at CB and missed, but the edge and WR situation got out of hand quickly. Plus every year a new need arises, which was lbs, and safety declined too.
So I am quite happy they focused on line and front 7 and middle first, but we definitely need a WR who is someone other than a 200 yard guy, which is all we have except Terry and maybe our draft pick who needs to learn how to catch his first NFL pass against crazy NFL disguised defenses.

So Peters is probably hoping to get lucky with another 500 yard castoff or two and pray Jayden and Terry NEVER get hurt.

I personally have never seen a magical year like 2024 before and taking the same approach trying to duplicated it may take another 50 years, because that's how long I've been watching this team. Miracles generally cannot be duplicates.

Talent wins in the NFL, without it, even HOF coaches lose, look at Belechek, and even Gibbs 2.0. Even Gibbs who could get 3 more wins out of an lame team cannot win consistsantly to overcome a limited roster with only one or two weapons that can be isolated.

I do believe we need a legit NFL starter opposite Terry
Whether that is Deebo again or Jennings or Diggs or a functional Aiyuk. We need more than a 2024 Noah Brown out there. Slot is easy, we have a ton.
I just don't see anyone other than our rookie as having top upside, and for the first month, he should be slot in space. We need someone who can beat man outside, who has done it from game one, and that may disqualify Aiyuk due to 49er pettiness or his unknown football shape

So yeah, Diggs, get him, or trade for someone soon. I see Jennings as choice 2 and Deebo as #3 from the outside

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Chig is a far different style of TE than Ertz though. He can get down the field where Ertz was just an underneath dump off target.

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Jennings to the Vikings on a one year deal

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I'm actually kinda glad he's signed elsewhere. I mean would he have been a bad signing here? Maybe not, but neither would he have been a great signing and $13M isn't chicken feed for at best a #2 WR. I'm left thinking they must be weighing up Diggs as a possibility but they're still more interested in Aiyuk. Risks with both.

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I'm not buying the Chig is the solution to our lack of legit #2 problem.
At best he is better than Ertz, which is a tall ask but likely. Yes he can attack the deep middle which is nice, but so can any slot guy, so they'd be splitting catches there. The problem occurs is there is no threat outside the numbers and particularly deep outside the numbers. Otherwise, you just shift support towards Terry and cover the middle zone and thin out extra support on the opposite side by just covering the Z guy with man, like every play. If our current 2 cannot beat man, and this is arguably a legit concern, one side of the field is shut down by a single defender, unless we flood that side with motion and stacks, which to me is a backup plan. Can you win that way? Yes, but it's more 3 yards at a time Deebo style. And if that's the case, why not just bring back Deebo. The fact that they haven't shows there intent is NOT to start the season without some sort of one on one beater opposite Terry. There is frankly no one available who can do that with any confidence other than Diggs.
Aiyuk may be a flabby shell of himself as far as we know and Deebo could arguably be replaced with our big #5/6 guy, Treylon Burks.

I say, get Diggs, let the Aiyuk thing go at this point, one head case is enough, but Diggs can produce, we know that for a fact, plus he's available without trade cost, which is rare for a 1000 yard guy. I bet he cost 15M though, but that is still cheaper than Deebo last year who we traded a pick for.

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Diggs is highly intriguing. He flat out produces and him, McLuarin, and Williams could work. Interested to see if the FO gives him a look considering his off the field issues. 7 1,000 yd seasons already and should have a few years left. Where he lands should be interesting.

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[quote=skinsnut;1380659]Regarding Luke, there is a world he gets cut to hopefully make the practice squad, although not likely as he plays teams well. Dyami did play well for his last 3 games for us, but then got his shot and didn't do well, again.
I don't buy the Dyami hype. To me, he only has a 50/50 shot to make the squad at all. Ideal for him is practice squad. The only advantage over Jefferson is he has is exp
erience with Jayden.
If we do nothing more, I'd expect Jefferson to make some noise as he doesn't drop the ball.
And regarding Luke's separation, I agree I saw him open, but as I recall, that was usually in zone, not so much beating man, which is essential when playing outside, otherwise, he's just another zone beating slot guy, which we have covered.

It's pretty clear going with what we have today is a huge risk as we have only one viable threat in Terry. At least last year we had Deebo to fall back on if TerrY got injured. As of right now, no one measures up to Deebo, and look what happened last year when Terry went down. I mean arguably, we should sign 2! Like Aiyuk and Diggs for instance. The problem with that is all these vets are head cases.

Going with what we've got is not just a gamble, it would be malpractice, far beyond dropping our center with a so so backup. If the idea is to help Jayden, we need to get lucky with a starting center and a starting WR to get cut and for us to scoop them up. Expecting a 1st year coordinator to score as much as kingsbury with 1 viable NFL starting WR is asking for trouble, unless you want to try to win games 20-18 all year with a defense who's goal would to achieve average (giving 24 points per game, not including special teams points)

I mean I'm not trying to be a downer, but in no world is a 3rd rounder going to become a 10 year NFL experienced 1000 yard Stephon Diggs. Not that I like his style, just his production.
Dyami and Luke borderline suck to me, and that is not a viable option for #2.
Otherwise, we are 7-10 at best and hope to work on getting a better WR a year from now.[/quote]

McLaurin was a 3rd round draft pick; I wouldn't be too hasty to conclude that Williams cannot develop into a #2 and hit Diggs-type numbers. Heck, Diggs was a 5th rounder by the Vikings. Obviously, it's hard to predict how guys will develop, but I don't think we should assume that Williams won't be able to do what we drafted him to do.

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[quote=calia;1380685]McLaurin was a 3rd round draft pick; I wouldn't be too hasty to conclude that Williams cannot develop into a #2 and hit Diggs-type numbers. Heck, Diggs was a 5th rounder by the Vikings. Obviously, it's hard to predict how guys will develop, but I don't think we should assume that Williams won't be able to do what we drafted him to do.[/quote]

I highly doubt the front office drafted a 3rd round WR who is mostly slot to serve as our immediate #2 WR. Is that a best case scenario, yeah, just like your two examples that are an exception to the rule.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but in no world should that be your plan A, plan C sure, but all I am hoping for is plan B as we obviously missed out on an experienced or Stud #2 in free agency or the draft. I am hoping for a trade, or to sign Diggs or Aiyuk and hope they get their heads straight and play like they did in their prime.
I don't think I am alone in my opinion that we do not have an obvious #2 WR on the roster.
Of course if ur ok to gamble Jaydens #3 season on your best hopes, that's fine, but I am uncomfortable with that approach. In fact, I am even uncomfortable with gambling on Aiyuk as we don't even know if he can run without farting at this point

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"Run without farting" -- LOL. I love where these conversations take us.

Look, I totally get the idea to have a proven WR2, and one would think that a must for any team headed into the season. We don't definitely have that person -- but we might, that's all I am saying. And all of the other folks involve some meaningful risk, either because of age, injury, off the fields stuff, or, in the case of Aiyuk, all 3.

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Yeah I think none of us would deny that the #2 WR is a significant need for us that still hasn't been resolved yet.

Although we need to acknowledge the situation the team is in - there weren't ample of opportunities for us to find one. It turned out that we did make efforts to sign Alec Pierce before he resigned with Colts (I apologize to whoever said that we did try when the FA opened but I didn't believe it). They also tried to sign Doubs before he decided to sign with Patriots. They did draft Williams, who supposedly is NFL ready. The cards simply aren't there and AP did the right thing by not trying to force it, or otherwise we likely would have to give up future capitals. The Chig signing definitely will help as he will force the defense to pay attention to him on all plays.

I agree with Matty - I think it's going to turn into a committee thing this year. We will be screwed if McLaurin misses some games tho.

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[quote=GridIron26;1380689]Yeah I think none of us would deny that the #2 WR is a significant need for us that still hasn't been resolved yet.

Although we need to acknowledge the situation the team is in - there weren't ample of opportunities for us to find one. It turned out that we did make efforts to sign Alec Pierce before he resigned with Colts (I apologize to whoever said that we did try when the FA opened but I didn't believe it). They also tried to sign Doubs before he decided to sign with Patriots. They did draft Williams, who supposedly is NFL ready. The cards simply aren't there and AP did the right thing by not trying to force it, or otherwise we likely would have to give up future capitals. The Chig signing definitely will help as he will force the defense to pay attention to him on all plays.

I agree with Matty - I think it's going to turn into a committee thing this year. We will be screwed if McLaurin misses some games tho.[/quote]

If it's a committee, we need a better one, one with someone more established and dependable, perhaps DeAndre Hopkins (33) as a Noah Brown type, or an expensive vet cut on a team that drafted WR high?
Anyone know who would be a possible camp cut due to a abundance of WRs?
I am thinking that is plan D if we don't get Diggs or Aiyuk before preseason..
There is no way in my eyes we don't add another potential 500 yard guy prior to game one.

Ideally it should be by OTAs, or latest training camp, but it seems Aiyuk won't be released until Sept 1, which means we have to go another direction. I heard a prognosticator predict a June 9th release date for Aiyuk, likely based on his magic 8 ball.
I would sign Diggs now, Hopkins now, Aiyuk on Sept 1, the cut/trade Hopkins Sept 1.
All are better than our #3 guys. Don't worry, all our young guys will play the full preseason.
But at least we could have Hopkins on the roster awaiting Aiyuk. Hell, I may not even want Aiyuk at that point if we have the other 2.
And for everyone saying we'd be too old, we could rotate them to keep them fresh.
Crazy idea, but one that would certainly improve the teams chances of making the playoffs vs hoping we can win an extra 3 games by Jayden running all over the place dodging the dreaded redskins QB broken leg curse

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Here is my crazy "get em all" old guy WR depth chart:

WR 1 x
Terry McClaurin
DeAndre Hopkins (3M?)

WR 2 z
Brandon Aiyuk (7M?)
Luke McCafferty

WR 3 slot
Stefon Diggs (15M?)
Antonio Williams

Trade:
Jalen Lane (6th rounder) or keep if Hopkins is a late cut or some old guy is on injured reserve

Cut:
Van Jefferson (practice squad)
Dyami Brown (practice squad)
Traylon Burks (practice squad)

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I agree. That’s crazy.


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[quote=calia;1380696]I agree. That’s crazy.


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[quote=calia;1380696]I agree. That’s crazy.


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Yeah, ur right, we should trade Luke too for a 5th and just roll with the 4 old vets and the rookie with 5 on the roster! We need space for the 2nd CB we are trading these pcks for! Like the Ravens CB Marlon Humphrey, what the hell, why not?
Imagine, 3 new vet WRs and a pro bowl outside CB vet, for 2 marginal #5 WRs.
Yeah it may cost 30M, but we have it!
As Prince says, LETS GET CRAZY!

Funny thing is, it is doable

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John Keim newest podcast:
Is Diggs on the Table?
Summary: He essentially discusses Aiyuk vs Diggs as #2
He says we've got to add someone and these 2 would move the needle.
He spoke to 4 execs/coaches/players says 3 of 4 would choose Diggs and the one that would choose Aiyuk is mainly for upside (and age)
He mentions the Aiyuk availability timing problem and for the first time mentions the idea of both, which he hasn't asked yet. His concern would be about stunting williams growth.
He says he hasn't heard any buzz about Diggs with the skins yet, but knows they must be considering him, maybe would even have to sign 2 years due to competition for him.

He also says an ex exec told him skins must win this year for coaching staff and that they need to add someone at wr to acheive playoffs.

My personal view is they should sign Diggs now and Aiyuk too when released as late as Sept 1. Who knows what Diggs would cost, Keim speculates Deebo money 17M.
Williams will play regardless, Aiyuk is coming off a bad injury and 2 years not in football shape, Hell, it may be week 4 before he could be catching passes. We have the advantage with Aiyuk with Jayden, would he want to be #4 wr anywhere else? I doubt it.
Keim does question the Diggs slot vs Williams slot match, but says it could work and I agree because they both also have z receiver experience too. The Aiyuk thing is a gamble to me that only has a 50% chance of success, whereas Diggs is 85% success potential.

So, although I threw out a crazy get 3 vets idea, the notion of getting 2 is at least an idea that John Keim is thinking about too.
The idea of both to me is very intriguing, although I would guess unlikely.
Who knows, maybe Aiyuk is saying if we sign Diggs to #2, he won't play for us, which frankly to me, wouldn't be a bad thing, although I'd rather have him if he can turn back the clock for the next 3 years for us

Anyways, hers the podcast.
Keim is awesome!
[url]https://youtu.be/Xs7qlDuDeJQ?si=s8ylUS3wAJfMQX0v[/url]

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Interesting. Seems that this is an area where there will be more movement.

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Another thing to note on Diggs vs Aiyuk is timing.
We know Aiyuk must be released by Sept 1 if actively on their roster

Diggs is also unlikely right now due to the NFL personal conduct policy which still has an open case against him which could cost as much as a 6 game suspension, however unlikely according to AI.
The NFL likely won't close that case until late June or even August right before training camp, then teams would likely bid for him.
I frankly would sign him now, because waiting for the NFL would cost any OTAs and mini camps. However, Diggs mentioned he's gunna see what happens over the next months indicating he has no expectations of attending team activities in May, June, maybe July.
It seems teams are not going to move on him until the NFL rule on him is my best guess.
If I were Diggs I'd want to wait until the NFL closes their investigation to maximize bidders

On the other hand, if Aiyuk is signed mid June, there is a world where any interest in Diggs would vanish. I prefer both, but to get that, we are talking late availability for both with no minicamp with either, and we see what that did to Jayden and Terry last year.
Oh, so complicated!

But at least Stefon Diggs can hit the ground running, from CBs, to ex girlfriends, NFL teams, and the cops.
His 4.46 speed has come in handy I'm more ways than one!

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From what I can find online, June 9th is mandatory minicamp for the 49ers.
Aiyuk needs to attend that to force the 49ers hand, otherwise they can tag him did not report and not have to release him/pay him. So the speculation of a release on June 10 at the earliest is a realistic one.
Let's see if Aiyuk calls the 49ers bluff or vice versa.
This may get interesting at that point.
If he no shows, he may be off the table for anyone.
Most guy would show up, but Aiyuk? He has walked away from millions before not to show up.
We will have our answer on his viability on June 9.

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ESPN article on this topic:
Basically suggests Diggs in the answer to us needing 3 legit receivers
[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/48755370/aiyuk-diggs-rookie-antonio-williams-commanders-options-wr2[/url]

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[quote=skinsnut;1380682]I'm not buying the Chig is the solution to our lack of legit #2 problem.
At best he is better than Ertz, which is a tall ask but likely. Yes he can attack the deep middle which is nice, but so can any slot guy, so they'd be splitting catches there. The problem occurs is there is no threat outside the numbers and particularly deep outside the numbers. Otherwise, you just shift support towards Terry and cover the middle zone and thin out extra support on the opposite side by just covering the Z guy with man, like every play. If our current 2 cannot beat man, and this is arguably a legit concern, one side of the field is shut down by a single defender, unless we flood that side with motion and stacks, which to me is a backup plan. Can you win that way? Yes, but it's more 3 yards at a time Deebo style. And if that's the case, why not just bring back Deebo. The fact that they haven't shows there intent is NOT to start the season without some sort of one on one beater opposite Terry. There is frankly no one available who can do that with any confidence other than Diggs.
Aiyuk may be a flabby shell of himself as far as we know and Deebo could arguably be replaced with our big #5/6 guy, Treylon Burks.

I say, get Diggs, let the Aiyuk thing go at this point, one head case is enough, but Diggs can produce, we know that for a fact, plus he's available without trade cost, which is rare for a 1000 yard guy. I bet he cost 15M though, but that is still cheaper than Deebo last year who we traded a pick for.[/quote]

I was never trying to say Chig is a solution to the #2 WR issue just that he’s a legit down the field target that brings something that Ertz lacked.

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I have mixed feelings about Diggs - there's no question that he has the talents that will help us but he has baggage, which I'm not sure that the team would be able to handle at this time. We are still in the process of building a real team.

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[quote=GridIron26;1380716]I have mixed feelings about Diggs - there's no question that he has the talents that will help us but he has baggage, which I'm not sure that the team would be able to handle at this time. We are still in the process of building a real team.[/quote]

All that is true, but at least he's not looney.
Today I have changed my mind on Aiyuk, he just posted a picture of himself with a wad of cash and gold watches on his Instagram account, almost like rubbing the 49ers nose in the guaranteed money they gave him. I mean it's in poor taste during a conflict, but what does it say AFTER and while teams are considering signing you?
I mean the 100 mph speed by clip was weird and bad, but why do this yet again?
He clearly has very bad judgement, poor business sense, poor PR skills, and where is his agents influence?
If Im the Skins, that's the final straw and I'm thankful he is fully exposing his wacko behavior. I don't expect him to show up at mandatory camp June 9th, how could he while flaunting the cash he was given from the 49ers?
It's almost like hes saying, I used you for a bag of cash the left you at the alter.
I mean I definitely wanted the talent, but he's kinda become a one man circus, unprovoked.
What a shame and waste of talent. His behavior is so odd it seems drug or alcohol related. Unless he has developed a mental issue, which I would think would have preexisted.
It is a shame. I am out on Aiyuk. It's time to move on and let go of the Aiyuk koolaid
Of course it is possible he is doing this strategically to get his release, but that doesn't help with his irrational walking away from millions, soooo...
I want Diggs at this point.

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I guess if we rooted for Adrian “switch” Peterson we can root for Diggs

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[quote=MTK;1380719]I guess if we rooted for Adrian “switch” Peterson we can root for Diggs[/quote]

i couldn't root for AP when he was here. Maybe its the Dad it me, but not rooting for a child abuser is more important to me than rooting for a football team or any of its players. I didn't even watch the games when he was on the team. And that is the only time since i started watching in 1982 i could say that.