Week one post game thread
 

On the road, against Philly, with two new coordinators and a few key injuries and so a 24-22 loss that came down to the wire should leave me feeling good about the season. With the schedule and the poor coaching I don’t feel so good though.

Good - Defense, and Sonny Styles.

Bad - number 0, Diggs brain, Quinn.

Ugly - that shovel pass to Bates.

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Moving this to this thread:

I didn’t see the game but it was obviously close and we had a chance to beat a division rival that everyone has picked to go deep in the playoffs in their place with a new offense and new defense. The season is hardly over. Watching the highlights it seems clear that the breakdowns on the long pass plays from Hurts were the main difference. Not sustaining drives and putting more points on the board was a problem too, but the total yardage was even and we ran more plays and had more first downs - it just didn’t translate to points.

Next week will be a test - do we roll over or take out some of today’s frustrations on another hated division rival?

We won’t be playing the Seahawks with their starting QB or the Rams with Garrett, both good breaks. Or Dallas with its starting LG (who is really good). We need to seize the advantage where we can and put the bad taste of today’s game behind us.


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Well, before the game I though we would lose 31-17, so from that standpoint we did well.
The truth is we have been getting our asses kicked, to the pointbthatbwe were non competitive most of last year.

Yes, we were much more competitive, ironically due to our greatest weakness, our atrocious defense. The truth is outside a few big plays, they were radically better.
Our offense was bad and much worse. Jayden was bad, slow and inaccurate throwing one across his body and up for grabs.
The team was not crisp, particularly on offense, with unforced penalties.
I did notice an adjustment to more shotgun mid 3rd quarter that helped.
Adding antonio was wise. Sanrisil was more limited in exposure in the 2nd half.

Jones did very well in his first game, best coaching of the 3.
Blough was very unimpressive and got his rookie ass blanketted by a 40 year pro in Fangio.
Everyone will copy that model.

I did notice our new players popped. Diggs was meh with drops.
Brown still is not a good wr.

The problems with our interior oline was ok until they put the game in their hands to tie it on the 2 pt inside screen to bates. Both Allegretti and Chris Paul.
Not sure why you go to your greatest weakness vs their strength.
Of course, they both blew their blocks and we lost.
That is pure coaching failure.
So I am mainly concerned with head coach, interior line and OC.
The CB issue is real but Jones adjusted to minimize that weakness as any good coach would do. It seems he is not a dumbass

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I think jd5 came alive at the end

But this was happening last year as well where he consistently keeps throwing low to receivers, it’s odd

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Tired of always being the losers. Always do whatever it takes to not win. Had a chance to get the ball back down one...instead we let Hurts run for 22 yards on 3rd and 18.

Always shit like that. Always.

Fucking sick of it.

And that's just one of plenty of other instances to point towards.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1381594]Tired of always being the losers. Always do whatever it takes to not win. Had a chance to get the ball back down one...instead we let Hurts run for 22 yards on 3rd and 18.

Always shit like that. Always.

Fucking sick of it.

And that's just one of plenty of other instances to point towards.[/QUOTE]


That should have been on the ugly list. Its always shit like that because we always have a shit for brains HC.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1381594]Tired of always being the losers. Always do whatever it takes to not win. Had a chance to get the ball back down one...instead we let Hurts run for 22 yards on 3rd and 18.

Always shit like that. Always.

Fucking sick of it.

And that's just one of plenty of other instances to point towards.[/quote]

i agree man, this is a tough team to cheer for

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The oline was not good. I lobbied hard to get Decker and Glasgow this summer after the Tunsil injury. Peters said no. Coleman got beat badly today. The oline is the main reason the offense sucked in the 1st half. Pass blocking was horrible. Sad deal. Rest of the offense is loaded. Barring a miracle, this will be the achilles heal of this team. An absolute travesty and injustice moves weren't made after the Tunsil injury and with the center position being neglected. Out on Peters currently for this.

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**JD wasn't very good today nor was he bad. He was rusty to say the least.

**OL was decent on the run element and bad on passing. I suspect a lot of play calling was hampered by them leaving extra players in instead of sending them out on passing routes. One play I noticed Philly rushed four and had the rest in a zone defense, while we had 7 guys on the line. This left only 2WRs and 1RB to go out on routes and nobody was getting open.

**Defense was solid outside some key fuckups allowing big plays.

**No turnovers. That's a big plus for us as it could have been much worse if we did have some.



All in all, they played better than I thought they would (especially the defense). I think the weakness on the OL is going to hamper play calling going forward too.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1381599]
**OL wasn't that bad, especially in the run game. I suspect a lot of play calling was hampered by them leaving extra players in instead of sending them out on passing routes. One play I noticed Philly rushed for and had the rest in a zone defense, while we had 7 guys on the line. This left only 2WRs and 1RB to go out on routes and nobody was getting open.
.[/quote]The pass blocking was not good at all especially 1st half. JD5 had little time to throw for most of the game. Agree on the run blocking but you cannot have a good passing offense without blocking. As good of a runner as he is, JD5 is still a passing qb. Oline didn't give him much time at all. He was constantly pressured a lot on the edge especially.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1381600]The pass blocking was not good at all especially 1st half. JD5 had little time to throw for most of the game. Agree on the run blocking but you cannot have a good passing offense without blocking. As good of a runner as he is, JD5 is still a passing qb. Oline didn't give him much time at all. He was constantly pressured a lot on the edge especially.[/quote]

I should have noted that the OL did well on run block and not so much on passing. I do think the OC adjusted the plays to leave more players in to block which is why nobody was getting open downfield. Philly just rushed 4 the entire time basically and let them have extra defenders in the passing game.

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TE is about as pedestrian as it gets.
They aren’t a good group.
3rd down back looked slow.

Rookies looked good.
New D looked great.

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Diggs penalty and Blows playcall on that 2 point conversion are keeping me awake. That was an absolutely terrible call.

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[quote=punch it in;1381605]Diggs penalty and Blows playcall on that 2 point conversion are keeping me awake. That was an absolutely terrible call.[/quote]

Why harp on the Diggs penalty, it’s obvious we can’t convert a 2pt conversion

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[quote=NC_Skins;1381599]**JD wasn't very good today nor was he bad. He was rusty to say the least.

**OL was decent on the run element and bad on passing. I suspect a lot of play calling was hampered by them leaving extra players in instead of sending them out on passing routes. One play I noticed Philly rushed four and had the rest in a zone defense, while we had 7 guys on the line. This left only 2WRs and 1RB to go out on routes and nobody was getting open.

**Defense was solid outside some key fuckups allowing big plays.

**No turnovers. That's a big plus for us as it could have been much worse if we did have some.



All in all, they played better than I thought they would (especially the defense). I think the weakness on the OL is going to hamper play calling going forward too.[/quote]


Great write up

I feel like JD5 had plenty of time , even Brady/ Fox did a graph at one point showing he had time , no one was getting open , he need to start using his legs

With jd5 you are just going have to use all his abilities you can’t baby him ; if he gets hurt he gets hurt , his legs are a big part of his game

If they look like this against Dallas I will be worried, that is a terrible defense

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1381607]Why harp on the Diggs penalty, it’s obvious we can’t convert a 2pt conversion[/QUOTE]


True lol

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I disagree with the notion that he had time at least in the 1st half. He had time some time because he was forced to leave the pocket a lot. Philly was consistently getting to him especially on the edges. They had lots of pressures and would have more sacks if JD5 wasn't so mobile. It was an absolute rarity where he would drop back and had time to throw with a clean pocket.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1381611]I disagree with the notion that he had time at least in the 1st half. He had time some time because he was forced to leave the pocket a lot. Philly was consistently getting to him especially on the edges. They had lots of pressures and would have more sacks if JD5 wasn't so mobile. It was an absolute rarity where he would drop back and had time to throw with a clean pocket.[/quote]

Fair

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Well, this game was a mixed bag.. Some of you guys believed that Eagles would be up by 2 scores or more. We were only one 2 point conversation away from tying the game. Actually if you think about it, this is exactly the same playbook we followed in 2024 - defense keeping us in the game and then JD does his magic stuff and led comebacks. The only difference was Kliff’s offense worked very well and Blough’s offense did not in this game.


Good
- Our defense is so much better, yesterday was the first time where I felt excited about our defense since Gregg Williams’ time. The defense was the only reason why we were alive in the game until the very last play. We will get Armstrong back this Sunday, and then we will get Wise and Amos back by 5th game. The defense will only get better.
- Styles showed everyone why we drafted him. He even ran over Barkley and it’s rare to see anyone do that, especially as a rookie.
- Williams made key catches, the TD catch was amazing. He is obviously our #3 WR at this point.
- Tyler Owens is growing into a nice special teamer
- JD did not try to be superhero, instead he took what the defense gave him. Even Tom Brady complimented JD for this.


Bad
- Blough got outcoached by Fanigo. Even Tom Brady said that there was nowhere for JD to throw to throughout the game. I suppose we should have expected this, it’s unreasonable to expect a first time offense coordinator to best a defense mastermind with 40 years of experience. Also, Blough got cute with the 2 point conversation - he should have put the ball in JD’s hands instead.
- The Oline is bad.. I tried to be optimistic about the Oline but there’s no another way around it. Going into the halftime, the tv showed that JD was pressured at the 2nd highest rate of his career in the first half.
- Diggs did alright but he needs to be better (he and JD are still building the chemistry)

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[quote=NC_Skins;1381599]**JD wasn't very good today nor was he bad. He was rusty to say the least.

**OL was decent on the run element and bad on passing. I suspect a lot of play calling was hampered by them leaving extra players in instead of sending them out on passing routes. One play I noticed Philly rushed four and had the rest in a zone defense, while we had 7 guys on the line. This left only 2WRs and 1RB to go out on routes and nobody was getting open.

**Defense was solid outside some key fuckups allowing big plays.

**No turnovers. That's a big plus for us as it could have been much worse if we did have some.



All in all, they played better than I thought they would (especially the defense). I think the weakness on the OL is going to hamper play calling going forward too.[/quote]

Very good write up. It is still a long season and this is just Week 1. I think things will be much better when Tunsil comes back. On to the Cowpukes.

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Burn it down.

So much for our matchup nightmare TE as well.

Fuck you quinn. Fuck you Peters. So sick of seeing 5 run for his life every fucking snap.

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[quote=Meks;1381618]Burn it down.

So much for our matchup nightmare TE as well.

Fuck you quinn. Fuck you Peters. So sick of seeing 5 run for his life every fucking snap.[/quote]


This is why you don't trade picks when you need them to replenish your OL. I keep harping on this very thing over and over. Also notice that having two WR#1 doesn't do jack shit either (see Cowboys for another example) if your OL isn't solid.

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What bothered me about Blough is I really had no idea what he was actually trying to do. What is the identity? I watched the Giants last night, they had one. I liked what I saw. Throw the ball to Nabers and that beast of a TE which we should have signed. Run the ball with that 300lb fullback and Scattaboo.

Because you have a new OC and JD didn't play all that much last year, they're playing pre season. They gotta toss it around and get in sync. That's on Quinn. That first half was a total joke. Get JD on the move a little bit more. Did they call one screen to off set the rush?

Blew a game they could have won. 3rd and 18 Hurts run was an absolute back breaker. Mikey can't play man anymore. Just stop it. He can't do it.

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[quote=Meks;1381618]Burn it down.

So much for our matchup nightmare TE as well.

Fuck you quinn. Fuck you Peters. So sick of seeing 5 run for his life every fucking snap.[/quote]

Well we knew going into this game that blocking their front was going to be a serious problem. Knowing that the OC needed to adopt to it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1381619]This is why you don't trade picks when you need them to replenish your OL. I keep harping on this very thing over and over. Also notice that having two WR#1 doesn't do jack shit either (see Cowboys for another example) if your OL isn't solid.[/quote]

Our best wr yesterday was a 3rd round rookie. Go figure.

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I wonder if they’ll try to sign Decker. Still unsigned.

Separately, Allegretti just whiffed on the conversion- if he hits his man, they score. It was bad execution. But why rely on our OL so much on a play like this?


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[quote=calia;1381623]I wonder if they’ll try to sign Decker. Still unsigned.

Separately, Allegretti just whiffed on the conversion- if he hits his man, they score. It was bad execution. But why rely on our OL so much on a play like this?


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Why attack the best part of their team on the 2pt conv?

I guess they were hoping catch them off guard

New year same shit

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I can't hate on this loss too much. Taking Philly to the brink on the road is no small feat especially with the offense sputtering for a good part of it. Very encouraging signs from the defense. Hated the two point play call, got to throw into the end zone there. Don't get cute against a stout D, even though Allegretti did blow his block there.

On to Dallas.

Week one post game thread
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1381625]I can't hate on this loss too much. Taking Philly to the brink on the road is no small feat especially with the offense sputtering for a good part of it. Very encouraging signs from the defense. Hated the two point play call, got to throw into the end zone there. Don't get cute against a stout D, even though Allegretti did blow his block there.

On to Dallas.[/QUOTE]


Admirable and succinct summary of where we should all be. Agreed all around.

Dallas is beatable. They’ll be fired up and desperate not to lose two conference games at home in as many weeks. We need to storm in there and punch them in the mouth right out of the gate.


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I'm ok with the game ..I thought we would get blown out! The D is way better even with the secondary getting lost on a few plays .. If we play at this level rest of games i can see 9-10 wins . let's face it Eagles are a top team !! We have got to win at Dallas !!

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Overshown and Hooker will be out in the Dallas game. Two solid guys on that not very impressive defense. Our offense has to get its act together.


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Conerly played left tack in college and was a 1st round pick. I wonder why they won't put him at LT.

Coleman apparently allowed a ton of pressures. Maybe he was a back-up last year for a reason.

And Allegretti is also not a starting caliber player. We don't have 5 starting caliber players available on the o-line and that is a shame.

I'd like to try: Conerly, Paul, Allegretti (no other choice), Cosmi, Wylie against Dallas. Won't happen, but I would like to see it.

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Well, I assume they’re sticking with the currently lineup barring injury. And no indication they’re looking to add anyone. There are still a few guys out there (but only a few and they’re either getting long in the tooth or have had only mixed success):

Taylor Decker (OT): High-profile veteran left tackle available on the market.
Cam Robinson (OT): Experienced starting tackle who remains unsigned.
Kevin Zeitler (G): Highly-rated veteran interior blocker.
Mekhi Becton (G/OT): Former first-round pick with flexibility across the line.
Joel Bitonio (G): Longtime Browns veteran whose status has included potential retirement considerations.
Graham Glasgow (G/C): Versatile interior presence with extensive starting experience.

I doubt they do anything here and the only one I’d be intrigued by is Decker.


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My views on the game:

Defense is clearly going to be giving up some big plays this season. That appears to be the nature of their assertiveness. Philly has a veteran crew with loads of play makers but a new system. I'll be curious to see this defense against a more established offensive system.

Sonny Styles learned through the game. In first half on a rush he showed to much deference to Saquan. Second half he realized he is the bigger human and plowed him over. Love to see the learning take place.

Blough needed to make adjustments sooner. Philly would drop 7 into coverage but he would only put 3 targets out there. That isn't going to cut it. He did adjust and even began to increase frequency of Jayden into shotgun as game moved on. It's been a long time since we've had an offense willing to adapt to the game.

Jayden threw the ball away which I loved to see. This is the way.

I'm not as down on the o-line as many. They gave up pressures 50% of time but Jayden also had more time to through the ball than any other qb at 3.41 seconds. Even when accounting for heavy roll outs and broken plays they gave him 3.27 seconds which is far more than any other QB in week 1 and they did that against a Fangio defense.

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Jayden looked like someone that now fully understands how his health is the most important thing to our team. I don't think he took even 1 unnecessary hit the entire game. That was definitely good to see.

Go sign Decker and start him at left or right tackle. He is an upgrade over Coleman. Assuming he is staying in shape.

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I've hung on and cogitated. I expected the O to have problems after the injury and depth shenanigans, notably C, and the 1st half had me worried. 2nd half was a different showing. Yes, play calling was too conservative especially given we really had nothing to lose by trying stuff. I'm betting Blough has been re-thinking that 2pt call the last 2 days. But there are good signs. The running game is there or thereabouts, and once they work out how to get Scary, Diggs and Williams the ball more often and maybe stretch D's, then the passing game will catch up.

D played far better than I expected, though that does not apply to Mikey. Styles looks the real deal; that bulldozing of Berkley was glorious. He just needs to keep his head screwed on, as despite the fact it was a false start (WTF are the officials looking at?), you can't abandon the play just because you think there should be a flag.

ST's were up and down, but Owens deserves a speical mention. This play was fantastic [URL="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xxqt3mW8Zfk"]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xxqt3mW8Zfk[/URL]. If he could replicate that level of play on D...

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I'm a little late to this thread, but here we go anyways.

Defense showed major improvement over last year, but still plenty of room for improvement - the big plays killed us, like Hurts scrambling for 22 on 3rd and 18, obviously the big passes and td's as well.

But there was stuff to like on the defensive side as well - we got good pressure on Hurts at times, one highlight reel sack from Sonny that shut everyone who doubted him in preseason up. Run defense was really improved too, we had more TFL in this game than I felt like we had all last year. Felt like guys were swarming to the ball too. We just need to fix the errors we had and it will be a capable unit. And we need Trey Amos back in the worst way too.

Offensively it took time for them to gel, and there is a lot that remains to be seen, but I thought JD had a solid game. He took what was out there, not his fault if receivers can't get open, Blough adjusted in the second half. Offensive line remains a concern, but it probably will all year tbh.

And Tress Way is still the MVP. 36 years old and he still is an asset to the team. Hope he doesn't retire but if he does hats off to a great career.

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Also Drew Stevens needs to be better. 4 points off the board there

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Not sure you can blame him for the blocked kick, but the missed FG was well wide and not in a super pressure situation. He needs to get that out of his system else we'll be trying out kickers again.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1381651]Not sure you can blame him for the blocked kick, but the missed FG was well wide and not in a super pressure situation. He needs to get that out of his system else we'll be trying out kickers again.[/quote]

It was a 54-yarder. Those aren't automatic with any kicker in the league. We obviously picked him for leg strength and accuracy, and the missed kick had plenty of distance. He also made a 55-yarder in the game. If he starts missing more of these than making them, that's a real concern. But too small a sample size to conclude anything at this point. And as between our OL and secondary, Stevens is the least of our worries.

I wouldn't mind swapping in Rasul Douglas for Sainristil (or maybe even moving Sainristil to the slot where he's been better if you want to retain his ball-hawking skills). Robertson (who had a great game) and Douglas may be a better combo, and we will face better WRs and a better QB the Sunday than last Sunday (although a weaker running game). Something needs to be done.

I'd also consider swapping in Quan Martin for Reaves at least some of the time; I love Reaves, and using him in doses is OK, but he played 100% of the snaps and was a beat slow in coverage, I thought. Martin has had his issues, of course, but he seems to have turned a corner, and I'd at least want to see what we have there. It seems like he did well in limited usage on Sunday.

I don't know how we get improvement in the OL with our current personnel. Perhaps we see improvement by the mere fact that we're not playing the Eagles again anytime soon, as their DL remains one of the best. I sure hope so. Cosmi was a stud, and Conerly played well too. But outside of those guys....