How will Gardner's situation pan out?
 

Does anyone else think that the Redskins are playing hardball with Gardner and will hold on to him into camp ala Travis Henry to wait for an injury to occur before dealing him? There's no reason that we haven't cut him by now, we could use the cap space plus if we didn't have any use for him we would have let him go months ago. Is there even a remote chance that 50/50 reports to camp and has to battle to make the team?

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Yes I think that's exactly what they're doing. They'll hold on to him as long as possible, to see if any interest generates because of a camp injury. I doubt they'll ask him to report. No need to risk injury to him.

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My guess? Midway through training camp he will be traded for a 5th round draft pick to... the San Diego Chargers. He will not agree to a contract extension, prefering to play out the last year of his contract. He will catch about 50 balls for about 850 yards, and he will be shocked (SHOCKED!) to find that there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Then he will sign an incentive-laden deal with the Eagles in 2006, and rarely make it off the bench. He will die penniless and insane, trying to play a phonograph record with a peanut.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]Does anyone else think that the Redskins are playing hardball with Gardner and will hold on to him into camp ala Travis Henry to wait for an injury to occur before dealing him? There's no reason that we haven't cut him by now, we could use the cap space plus if we didn't have any use for him we would have let him go months ago. Is there even a remote chance that 50/50 reports to camp and has to battle to make the team?[/QUOTE]


There is a 50/50 chance! Just like his nickname!

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With him not being at the OTAs and minicamp, I wouldn't bet on him being there. He is not part of the offensive gameplan, so I can't see any reason he would play or WANT to play. Honestly, this thing has gone too far to incorporate him now. If he DID play AND try, he would just be a hired gun trying to get that paycheck for next year from another team.

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I like Rod and hate that he did not meet expectations we had for him. Someone will sign him and they may get a realy good deal. He can be an impact player in this league he just needs to work on his concentration and quite droping those easy passes. I would love to see him turn his career around as long as its not in or division.

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I won't say it was because of his work ethic. He stayed after many practices trying to get better. Apparently it just didn't work out.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I won't say it was because of his work ethic. He stayed after many practices trying to get better. Apparently it just didn't work out.[/QUOTE]No I woouldn't say that either. He needs to get a ssycho to work on his concentration like a goff pro uses for their concentration.

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Then he will sign an incentive-laden deal with the Eagles in 2006, and rarely make it off the bench. He will die penniless and insane, trying to play a phonograph record with a peanut.[/QUOTE] :laughing-

You gota love those old Sat night Eddie Murphy skits. Brudlee
I think Gardner will be delt half way thourgh camp for a 6th rounder. What a waste. :mad:


:dallas: Sep 19th '05

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Was their any discussion during the draft that a team would give a 4th rounder for him?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Was their any discussion during the draft that a team would give a 4th rounder for him?[/QUOTE]


You are assuming, of course, that one of us was in the War Room?

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No, I am assuming based on the things that I heard on the news that we were offered for him.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]No, I am assuming based on the things that I heard on the news that we were offered for him.[/QUOTE]
More importantly, the offers for a 4th rounder were contingent upon the idea he would renegotiate. He has shown no desire to do so, which made his trade difficult.

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Ahhhhh, that's right. I couldn't remember why no deal was made, even after the WR market became unsaturated.

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the skins will just cut gardner when the time comes.

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Maybe we could trade him and give the team our 4th round pic for taking him. Oh I forgot we don't have any draft picks.

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I see this playing out as a package deal. Gardner and a RB(Betts) or a O-lineman for a DE. We still have never addressed this glaring weakness and we might be waiting for another teams injury for us to pounce on the trade oppurtunity.

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Mid training camp, Bugel gets hungry and trades Gardner for a ham sandwich.

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CRT3:

Since I assume that you want the Skins to get a quality DE to fill that glaring weakness, the Skins would have to give up something valuable to get that quality DE.

In your scenario, you offer up Gardner - who was not worth a low round draft pick on draft day plus a back-up RB who has been injured in each and every one of his NFL seasons. NOt a lot of "value" there.

Now, what quality OL are you going to toss into that package to get a quality DE? Jansen? Thomas? Samuels? If you mention one of the myriad back-ups on the roster at the moment, you will get a DE in return who is similarly an injury prone back-up whose concentration and mental focus on the game is in doubt.

In a trade, you have to give to get...

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I agree. But you could pick another running back other then Betts who has a upside. But the main part of my theoary is based on what another team needs. If they wait thru camp the likelhood of a inlury to a star Wideout is pretty high. Happens every year and it becomes a need. So wait till the fools market opens up and a trade of lower quality player along with Gardner, who has had some drops but is primarly a possition reciever or a better fit in the West Coast. So my scenario has merit but we really will not know till the axe falls. NEver know he could play for us again.

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[QUOTE=jacobyfan]Mid training camp, Bugel gets hungry and trades Gardner for a ham sandwich.[/QUOTE]

and then proceeds to do 100 pushups.

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[QUOTE=CRT3]I see this playing out as a package deal. Gardner and a RB(Betts) or a O-lineman for a DE. We still have never addressed this glaring weakness and we might be waiting for another teams injury for us to pounce on the trade oppurtunity.[/QUOTE]
Why would Gibbs trade one of the players he has been effusive in his praise about? Betts, while prone to getting dinged, is a solid backup to Portis. No-one else on the roster has demonstrated that ability.. I don't think O-line depth is a problem (Friedman, Raymer, Brown, Molinaro, Wilson) and DE isn't a glaring weakness in Williams scheme since he doesn't depend on them solely for the pass rush..

Any chance that the Skins are trying to squeeze Gardner since he made it hard to trade during the draft?

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]Why would Gibbs trade one of the players he has been effusive in his praise about? Betts, while prone to getting dinged, is a solid backup to Portis. No-one else on the roster has demonstrated that ability.. I don't think O-line depth is a problem (Friedman, Raymer, Brown, Molinaro, Wilson) and DE isn't a glaring weakness in Williams scheme since he doesn't depend on them solely for the pass rush..

Any chance that the Skins are trying to squeeze Gardner since he made it hard to trade during the draft?[/QUOTE]
Yep - a good chance. There is almost [u]no[/u] chance that Gardner will play out his final year of this contract, and because it's his last year, we can keep him until Opening Day, and cut him without penalty. I don't think it'll go that far, but Gardner's interests aren't really the team's concern. We'll see if any value can be gained from him, and release him when it becomes clear that there isn't.

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]Why would Gibbs trade one of the players he has been effusive in his praise about? Betts, while prone to getting dinged, is a solid backup to Portis. No-one else on the roster has demonstrated that ability.. I don't think O-line depth is a problem (Friedman, Raymer, Brown, Molinaro, Wilson) and DE isn't a glaring weakness in Williams scheme since he doesn't depend on them solely for the pass rush..

Any chance that the Skins are trying to squeeze Gardner since he made it hard to trade during the draft?[/QUOTE]

Please tell me you didn't just say "I don't think O-Line depth is a problem" and then proceeded to list Friedman, Raymer, Brown, Molinaro and Wilson. Molinaro and Wilson are huge question marks. Freidman and Raymer stink. Brown has maybe a year or 2 of serviceability left in his tank at most. He is not a dominating force anymore...just a good backup. Gardener is better than Thrash or McCants. He will go to training camp and stay for the year and test the market next year.

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[QUOTE=aprius]Please tell me you didn't just say "I don't think O-Line depth is a problem" and then proceeded to list Friedman, Raymer, Brown, Molinaro and Wilson. Molinaro and Wilson are huge question marks. Freidman and Raymer stink. Brown has maybe a year or 2 of serviceability left in his tank at most. He is not a dominating force anymore...just a good backup. [/QUOTE]
Isn't that what depth is? Bodies that can fill in for a play, a series, a week but not someone who is relied upon to be starter? I don't know of a team in the league that has 2 quality starting offensive lines so if one dominating force goes down another one just plugs in. Friedman, Raymer and Brown were all starters, Molinaro and Wilson played well when pressed into action. Granted I don't think anyone wants them out there for 16 games, but I'd be comfortable with them out there for a week..

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I see we're back on the Madden style trade ideas.

Betts isn't going anywhere. He proved to be a very capable backup last year and he should have an increased role this year.

There's not going to be some last minute blockbuster for a pass rushing DE. While the d-line didn't generate much heat last year, they were absolute monsters against the run. If I was Williams I would stick with that same formula. No need to mess with a good thing.

As for Gardner, watch for him to be cut a week or two into camp. Unless a team is absolutely desperate for a WR, I don't see anyone wanting to trade for him when they know the Skins need his $2M cap room and he's an inevitable cut.

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Again, don't forget about Daniels everyone. The reason we got him WAS to be a huge pass rusher.

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This is the last time I'll chime in on the supposed lack of depth on the OL. Last year even with the constant lineup shuffling and a key injury to Jansen, the line still performed admirably under the circumstances. Ray Brown played out of position and did a solid job. Wilson stepped in for a game and played very well. Friedman may not be starting quality, but for a backup we certainly could do alot worse.

With Jansen coming back and the addition of Casey Rabach, two weaknesses on the starting OL have been seriously upgraded, and the borderline starters (Friedman, Brown) who saw significant time last year are back to the bench as backups where they belong.

I guess some people aren't happy unless you have 2 starters at every position on the OL, that's just not reality. Maybe I'm completely wrong here, but I don't see the OL depth as a major concern. I guess we'll see what happens this year for the final verdict on this issue.

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WR have a tendency to drop like flies (other than Eagles D-lineman) during TC. I'm not sure Elias Sports Bureau has a statistic for it but it seems like every year there is a rash of injuries surrounding the WR position. Teams do get desperate throughout the pre-season if they feel that position is thin. I think the Dolphins pony’d up Adewale Ogunleye for Marty Booker (in the process getting fleeced) because David Boston went down with an ACL tear. I would never wish injury on anyone (with the exception of Cunningham during his heyday w/ the Eagles) but I wouldn't be surprised if we can jostle for a player-for-player trade if a WR goes injured during TC.

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If we get to the point that we cannot trade Gadner and have room in our cap maybe we just hang on to him to add depth and size at WR.

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Aprius, Gardner has been excused from [I]every [/I] team activity this offseason...Sorry, but he will not be a Redskin in the 2005 season!

I think they would [I]like [/I] to keep him through part of training camp in hopes of a trade, but that means they will have to find another way to generate the cap room needed to sign the two first round draft picks. As soon as their contract negotiations heat up, expect him to be cut loose.

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[QUOTE=Davnpurt]WR have a tendency to drop like flies (other than Eagles D-lineman) during TC. I'm not sure Elias Sports Bureau has a statistic for it but it seems like every year there is a rash of injuries surrounding the WR position. Teams do get desperate throughout the pre-season if they feel that position is thin. I think the Dolphins pony’d up Adewale Ogunleye for Marty Booker (in the process getting fleeced) because David Boston went down with an ACL tear. I would never wish injury on anyone (with the exception of Cunningham during his heyday w/ the Eagles) but I wouldn't be surprised if we can jostle for a player-for-player trade if a WR goes injured during TC.[/QUOTE] This was my thought exactly. We can wait all the way till the end of preaseason and then cut him if a trade is not available. The Bears got a great deal last year for a player very similar to Gardner (Booker)

Matty don't you think this would be a wise tact to take? Its not Madden style just typical Snyder style. Its a business.

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[QUOTE=CRT3]This was my thought exactly. We can wait all the way till the end of preaseason and then cut him if a trade is not available. The Bears got a great deal last year for a player very similar to Gardner (Booker)

Matty don't you think this would be a wise tact to take? Its not Madden style just typical Snyder style. Its a business.[/QUOTE]



like SKINSROCK has all ready stated, the skins can't wait until the end of traning camp to cut gardner, they will need to cut him to gain his 2 mil. cap help in order to sign rogers , cambel and some other rookies.

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Here's a blurb about Gardner from Lenny P.'s latest tip sheet

[quote]One personnel director from an AFC team still seeking to upgrade at the No. 2 wide receiver spot before camp said he will definitely consider Rod Gardner in free agency once the Washington Redskins decide to release the former first-rounder. But he also said he has recently reviewed videotape of a few young wide receivers for whom he would consider trading. At the top of the list of young pass-catchers he might pursue in a deal is two-year veteran Doug Gabriel of the Oakland Raiders.[/quote]