WP Article Today- Gardner Trade Speculation
 

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39569-2004Mar31.html[/url]

He mentions Baltimore as a possible trade partner for Gardner-
Do they have anyone we think they would let go that would fill one of our needs on the D-Line?
Do you guys think we should keep Gardner? What's the lowest round draft pick you think we should accept if we do, if not a player?

I don't think RG is worth more than a 4th or 5th to other teams right now. This is impossible I know, but what if we got Ed Reed for him? :biggthump

I think we have to trade him. We have too many needs to horde receivers. I'd take nothing lower than a third rounder.

Quite simply, we should trade Gardner (hee hee, just yanking your chain RSF).

Kidding aside, I think we are loaded at WR. As long as Gibbs is comfortable, AND we can get a 2nd OR a good starting quality DL, then we should trade Gardner. Nothing against the guy, I like him but he is probably the only one we have to trade that gets us any kind of quality.

I don't think we should trade just to trade so, unless we get a player we can plug into the DL now or have someone in mind in the 2nd round who we believe will start immediately , I am not sure we should trade just to pick up a draft pick.

I wouldn't be surprised if RG is part of some type of package deal in which Redskins move around in the first (maybe moving down a notch or two, picking up a later first pick, and getting Tommy Harris or Udzechi in addition to KW II OR Taylor).

I hear you on that one JoeR. Would not surprise me at all to see him becoming a part of some draft day deal to help us pick up extra picks. I don't know what they're thinking exactly, but I just doubt we'll stay this loaded at WR with holes elsewhere, as BleedB said....
Looking at Baltimore's depth chart, I don't see them helping us with any of their current players, as I don't think they'd give up anyone we'd want, so maybe a 2nd rounder???

[QUOTE=Jamaican'Skin]I don't think RG is worth more than a 4th or 5th to other teams right now. This is impossible I know, but what if we got Ed Reed for him? :biggthump[/QUOTE]




Stay off the crack!

He's a jamaicanskin- I don't think it's crack he's smokin' ;)

If you guys are desperate to trade someone of value just so we can get draft picks, how about the beloved Patrick Ramsey. I know we could get a first round pick for him. He is only a back up.

I think a 3rd is the best we can hope for, anything better would be pure gravy.

I wouldn't trade him unless we can get at least a 3rd.

As for trading Ramsey, I don't see it happening. Why? Quite simply, depth.

[QUOTE=Defensewins]If you guys are desperate to trade someone of value just so we can get draft picks, how about the beloved Patrick Ramsey. I know we could get a first round pick for him. He is only a back up.[/QUOTE]

Well, Defense, that's kinda my point. We shouldn't trade him just to trade him, BUT, if we can get a starting quality D-Lineman (where we have no depth), or, if we can package him to get a pick which would give us a blue - chip prospect, THEN trading RG - a good but not indespensible WR (a position of depth) - makes sense.

Trading Ramsay (qb of the future) may guarrantee a first rounder but destroys the depth at the games most important position.

We got tons of No. 2 WR's. We only got one "qb of the future". :twocents:

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him head up I-95 to B-more. They are desperate for a solid #1/#2 receiver, and he would fit in well. I think they will try to get a 2nd, but end up settling for a 3rd rounder. The Skins should not offer anything though....let teams come to them. It seems they are doing that by saying they have no intention of trading him...I remember similar things being said about Trotter, B Johnson, and Bailey...

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]As for trading Ramsey, I don't see it happening. Why? Quite simply, depth.[/QUOTE]

HEY!! are you dissing Defense?? Stop with those mean spirited and curt responses!! :thumb:

I would not consider letting Gardner go to the Ravens who need a WR despearately for anything less than Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and Peter Boulware and a third round pick.

Psych...

You are hilarious Mattyk! (I'm not gonna let you get under my Redskin anymore, try as you may :)
Hey Defensewins- don't you think we're a little overloaded at WR and should try to shore up the D or do you think we can't get proper value for Gardner?

[QUOTE=raleighskinsfan]You are hilarious Mattyk! (I'm not gonna let you get under my Redskin anymore, try as you may :)
Hey Defensewins- don't you think we're a little overloaded at WR and should try to shore up the D or do you think we can't get proper value for Gardner?[/QUOTE]
Thank goodness this long national nightmare is over.

The question is really, what is proper value for Gardner? He's had one 1000 yard season in his career, he has a penchant for dropping balls when uncovered, and he is measurably worse than our top WR (sorry, Rod).

He's also measurably better than our 3rd

[QUOTE=raleighskinsfan]Hey Defensewins- don't you think we're a little overloaded at WR and should try to shore up the D or do you think we can't get proper value for Gardner?[/QUOTE]

We would not get anything of value for Gardner AND Trotter. Much less just Gardner. A 3rd-5th round pick in the draft does not assure you a starter. Especially with Cerrato/Snyder as GM's.
Regarding the high number of WR's.... before we got Thrash, Coles was the only proven NFL starting caliber WR on our roster. I think you guys are jumping the gun with proclaiming Taylor Jacobs a sure thing #2 NFL reciever.
I think Gibbs just wanted some insurance in case Jacobs and Gardner have another bad year.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]
As for trading Ramsey, I don't see it happening. Why? Quite simply, depth.[/QUOTE]

I think JoeRedskin is the only one that realized I was kidding about trading Ramsey. I was trying to make the point that trading a cheap, decent player (Gardner) for peanuts just because you think we will strike gold in the middle rounds of the draft is not realistic. Do you really think Cerrato/Snyder will find a defensive starter in the 3rd-5round? If you do, you do not know the draft record of our current GM's...they have been terrible picking after the 2nd round.

I think you're right Defensewins. We shouldn't trade him for just a draft pick. We know what we have in him, a solid #2 receiver. McCants, though I'd like to think more of him, is still unproven as a starter- though I think he could be. And I don't want Thrash being our #2. We should probably hang onto Gardner unless someone offers us a really good DE or DT, which they probably wouldn't...

[QUOTE=Defensewins]I think JoeRedskin is the only one that realized I was kidding about trading Ramsey. I was trying to make the point that trading a cheap, decent player (Gardner) for peanuts just because you think we will strike gold in the middle rounds of the draft is not realistic. Do you really think Cerrato/Snyder will find a defensive starter in the 3rd-5round? If you do, you do not know the draft record of our current GM's...they have been terrible picking after the 2nd round.[/QUOTE]
I understood, I was just taking a poke at raleigh that's all

No, I don't think Matty understood... He was treating you like dirt Defense and is now simply trying to cover up!! You should respond in kind Defense!! (flame war flame war!! woo hooooo!!)

Ade Fan Club makes sense of it all
 

Hey, what do y'all think we could get for Ramsey AND Trotter AND Gardner AND Trung AND Iffy AND our 4th round draft picks from 2005 to 2032? Yeesh almighty! So many iterations and permeatations - my head is spinning around faster than Ade trying to cover Terrel Owens!

Here are my two cents: :twocents:

Ramsey - he's staying. Learn from Brunnell. Get water. Towels. Etc...

Trotter - I like him as a player, but I just don't think we should see each other anymore, time to go our separate ways. It's not you. It's me....

Gardner - I am the only one who still likes him and thinks he is WAY better than any other receiver on the team (OK, Coles is a close second - because he had a great year last year with Gardner drawing all of the coverage).

Trung - let's see how speedy you really are - run on over to that "Exit Door" and just keep running till we say "STOP". Further, further....

Iffy - you're ok, but not great. So is lite beer. I'd rather have a ice-cold draft of Taylor any day over a twelve-pack of Iffy Lite. Better buzz...

[QUOTE=Ade Jimoh Fan Club]Gardner - I am the only one who still likes him and thinks he is WAY better than any other receiver on the team (OK, Coles is a close second - because he had a great year last year with Gardner drawing all of the coverage).[/QUOTE]


Yes. In all of the known universe, no one agrees with you and you are the only living being to hold that opinion. (Well, maybe a small enclave on alpha-centari 4, but they are all wack jobs who drink wine coolers and root for the cowboys so their opininions don't matter)

We're all against you Ade. Feeling paranoid yet? :silly:

LOL!
Ade, whoever it was who said you were the funniest person posting was not lying...
Your line about Trung nearly made me spit DMD all over my keyboard.
Defensewins convinced me we should keep Gardner, so there might be more support out there for that idea than you think!

Thanks Raleighfan! I knew there had to be some love out there for RoGar.

I'm just not buying it that we would get much for Rod Gardner. Mark Maske hit the nail on the head when he said that nobody will mistake Gardner for a Pro Bowler. I thought he showed promise after the '02 season. But really, he's a so-so receiver that doesn't really scare opposing defenses.

Only problem is, the rest of our wideouts behind him are a big question mark. I agree with Defensewins -- what's with all the sudden faith in Taylor Jacobs? Sure he deserves a shot at a starting job, but come on, I'm not ready to throw all my money on him quite yet.

McCants could be good -- and has a knack for coming up with the big catch when we need it.

Bottom line is, don't expect a whole lot for Rod Gardner. For that reason, I say we stick with him for his contract year. Otherwise, losing him for a 3rd rounder could be worse than whatever we could get for him.

[QUOTE=raleighskinsfan]He's a jamaicanskin- I don't think it's crack he's smokin' ;)[/QUOTE]

:rofl: :rofl:

I would send gardner and thrash to baltimore, jacob's may not be proven but gardner is, westbrook the II.

Ouch! Westbrook the 2nd is below the belt! ;)
But which Baltimore player or players would you send those 2 in exchange for Offiss?

I don't think Gardner is exactly Westbrook, Part Deux. He hasn't taken any cheap shots at any running backs...

Yet. :rolleyes:

But seriously, I don't have any/many problems with Gardner. He sure doesn't have the Westbrook atitude! If he stays, then fine, because Gibbs will only keep him if he's doing his part. But if we can get good value for him, trade away.

[QUOTE=raleighskinsfan]Ouch! Westbrook the 2nd is below the belt! ;)
But which Baltimore player or players would you send those 2 in exchange for Offiss?[/QUOTE]

I would look for pick's, maybe we can throw something else in to sweetin the deal, feel them out, I am still trying to figure out a way to get both winslow and taylor. any deal that would help us climb the draft ladder to get that done.

[QUOTE=Dave Butz Baby!]I don't think Gardner is exactly Westbrook, Part Deux. He hasn't taken any cheap shots at any running backs...

Yet. :rolleyes:

But seriously, I don't have any/many problems with Gardner. He sure doesn't have the Westbrook atitude! If he stays, then fine, because Gibbs will only keep him if he's doing his part. But if we can get good value for him, trade away.[/QUOTE]

I really didn't mean it from an attitude perspective ,more so his stupidity on the field, as well as a failure to ever utilize all the talent he has.

[QUOTE=offiss]I really didn't mean it from an attitude perspective ,more so his stupidity on the field, as well as a failure to ever utilize all the talent he has.[/QUOTE]

I understood you... tongue and cheek doesn't always translate well in type!

Or as my friend's say, smartassedness.

;)

I definitely agree with you about his ill-timed mistakes and apparent lack of effort at others. That has got to stop. But I don't think he's been nearly the categorical bust that old #82 was. Thank God for small favors.

Reading these types of things, though, really makes me can't help but think... It's going to be so great to have a smart football team again!

[QUOTE=Dave Butz Baby!]I understood you... tongue and cheek doesn't always translate well in type!

Or as my friend's say, smartassedness.
[/QUOTE]

Personally, I've always called it "jackassery".

[QUOTE=BrudLee]Personally, I've always called it "jackassery".[/QUOTE]

Hehehe.. nice! I guess jackassedness would be the state of being one, and jackassery would be the acts of one!

You mind if I I use that?

[QUOTE=Dave Butz Baby!]Hehehe.. nice! I guess jackassedness would be the state of being one, and jackassery would be the acts of one!

You mind if I I use that?[/QUOTE]
No problem. I'll forward you all the appropriate paperwork. ;)

Keep em
 

The way I see it is Coles is our #1, Gardner is our #2, and now we have Thrash back in the house, he is #3. That to me sounds like a 2004 version of the three amigos. For those of you who don't know who the three amigos are, they Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders. Keep what we got, It's all good. :biggthump

[QUOTE=mizzo skins man]The way I see it is Coles is our #1, Gardner is our #2, and now we have Thrash back in the house, he is #3. That to me sounds like a 2004 version of the three amigos. For those of you who don't know who the three amigos are, they Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders. Keep what we got, It's all good. :biggthump[/QUOTE]

Believe it or not (and only because I kept calling them that as well), the three amigos were actually the Bronco's receivers in '87 when we beat them in the Super Bowl.

I think they were Vance Johson, Mark Jackson, and Ricky Nattiel...

Thrash is a hard working hard nosed football player, who gives everything he has, but I see him as an occasional WR for us, I defiently feel jacob's will solidfy the #3 spot if not the 2 spot.

I always thought that Art Monk, Ricky Sanders, and Gary Clark were known as the Posse, I never heard of the three amigos used to nickname that trio

Jacobs is still a question mark, but hearing that Gibbs seemed to be very impressed with him definitely says something. Same with Gibbs comparing McCants to Monk. To me, that's the writing on the wall that a trade with RG could, and probably will happen. Nothing against Gardner, he is a good receiver, and at this point better than the two of them (and probably Thrash too), but that's exactly why he has decent trade value.

Also, yes, a 3rd or 4th round pick is not an immediate starter, but any draft pick, trade acquisition, or FA pick-up is a risk as to whether they live up to potential or not, plus an injury could happen at any time. If the teams agree on a certain value for a player in a trade, then thats the risk they take.

Clark, Monk, and Sanders were the Posse. A new 4-man "Posse" of Coles, McCants, Thrash, and Jacobs sounds good to me! Let McCants, Thrash, and Jacobs compete for #2 and #3....