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paulskinsfan 07-14-2005 02:51 PM

Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Ok, 6th or 7th rounders rarely, if ever, make our team. That being said, why didn't we take a shot at the Roscoe kid from Clemson, the WR? I mean, everything I read about him says he has tons of potential, and honestly, when was the last time that we got a quality pick in such a late round?

EternalEnigma21 07-14-2005 02:54 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Remember the last WR we drafted from clemson?

paulskinsfan 07-14-2005 02:56 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Yeah, but even 50/50 is worth a 7th rounder.

MTK 07-14-2005 03:29 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Why bother?

paulskinsfan 07-14-2005 03:37 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Why bother?[/QUOTE]

Well, I think there are a couple of reasons to bother. First, Im not sold on our WR corp, and by all accounts this kid has real skills. Secondly, the Cerrato/Snyder duo has been horrible in their late round picks, so why not use one of next year's late rounders which won't make the team anyway, and try and help the squad for next year.

offiss 07-14-2005 03:46 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Ok, 6th or 7th rounders rarely, if ever, make our team. That being said, why didn't we take a shot at the Roscoe kid from Clemson, the WR? I mean, everything I read about him says he has tons of potential, and honestly, when was the last time that we got a quality pick in such a late round?[/QUOTE]

I agree, if we can get a second or third round talent in the 6th or 7th round then do it, don't know if this kid is really any good, but if he is then take a shot at him, we were giving away picks like they were unlimited to get Campbell, now we are scared to part with a late rd pick? Maybe the kid is just not talented enough who know's?

firstdown 07-14-2005 03:52 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Help me out on this. After the supp. draft can any team take any player still available at no cost (like a draft pick) and when does that occure?

offiss 07-14-2005 03:53 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
[QUOTE=firstdown]Help me out on this. After the supp. draft can any team take any player still available at no cost (like a draft pick) and when does that occure?[/QUOTE]

If a player goes undrafted he then becomes a free agent and can sign where ever he want's.

MTK 07-14-2005 03:58 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
The Dolphins took Manuel Wright in the supplemental draft today

[url]http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/MIA/8645011[/url]

Sounds like Crosby would now be a free agent.

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/07/13/bc.fbn.draft.crosby.ap/[/url]

FRPLG 07-14-2005 04:06 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
[QUOTE]"He's getting drafted" in Thursday's NFL supplemental draft, Parker said Wednesday.[/QUOTE]
Good call moron.
Another genius agent.

That Guy 07-14-2005 04:47 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
why waste a pick on someone that doesn't really promise to even be as good as what we've already got in abundance...

if we were going WR, we should have gotten a real #1 like Mushin (too old, too much) Mason, drafted Williams etc... gibbs decided that we're going to try speed and we probably have the fastest corp (moss, jacobs, thrash, brown) so i'm hoping that works.

e16bball 07-14-2005 10:54 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
We are going for speed, yes, but Crosby has that in spades. He ripped off a 4.37 40, which is smokin'. [i]And[/i] he's 6'2", which gives him an advantage in the vertical game as well. Personally I would've used the 7th rounder on him.

Daseal 07-15-2005 01:12 AM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Heard an interview with Roscoe on Sirius. Sounded like a really hard working type kid. Very confident in his ability, double sport player (drafted by KC Royals outta HS in the 2nd round even though he told them football was his passion and he wanted to play that. Clemson coaches loved him, etc. He's worth a look.

paulskinsfan 07-15-2005 09:59 AM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
The Indianapolis Colts didn't have to use a draft choice, but they made a move from Thursday's supplemental draft by reaching an agreement with former Clemson wide receiver Roscoe Crosby.

Crosby wasn't selected during the seven-round draft, but was being pursued by four teams who wanted to sign him to a rookie contract. The Colts made the most convincing pitch and reached an agreement by late Thursday afternoon.

Terms of the deal weren't known, except that it will probably be for three years.

Crosby was one of the most interesting stories of the supplemental draft. He was a Baseball America top 10 prospect coming out of high school as well as a top 10-caliber football player. The Kansas City Royals drafted him as a center fielder in the second round of the 2001 baseball draft. Crosby caught 27 passes as a pure freshman for Clemson.

Injuries prevented him from playing baseball for the Royals and he fell behind in the Clemson classroom to the point he lost academic eligibility. After being away from football for almost three years, Crosby applied for the supplemental draft.

He's a 6-foot-2, 210 pound receiver with speed slightly less than 4.5 seconds in the 40-yard dash.


Nice, another weapon for Peyton's aresenal. The Colts are loaded at WR too. Man, sometimes I think our front office is one of the worst in the league. We need a GM like in the good ole days, cause Cerrato and company just continually screw up IMO.

MTK 07-15-2005 10:10 AM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
So because they didn't go after a very unproven and raw prospect the front office blows?

Here we go again.

SmootSmack 07-15-2005 10:43 AM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
[QUOTE=Mattyk72]So because they didn't go after a very unproven and raw prospect the front office blows?

Here we go again.[/QUOTE]

Man I hope not. It's tempting to just lock this thread before things get really ridiculous here.

crlesh 07-15-2005 10:44 AM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Too many risks in the supplemental at too heavy a price. Pre-salary cap/free agency, the Redskins would have excelled at analyzing non-hyped talent. Today, with the team struggling at the cusp of respectability, the last thing we need to do is trade 'real' draft picks to get raw, lower-tier talent. Looks like teams like the Colts were smart with this supplemental draft - forget wasting a pick, but pursue him as an undrafted if he's still available.

MTK 07-15-2005 11:08 AM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
I guess 28 other teams around the league dropped the ball on this kid as well. At least the Skins are in the majority.

paulskinsfan 07-15-2005 11:44 AM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Mattyk72, do you really want to have a debate on how good or bad our front office is? Vinny and Danny Boy have given us: Deion Sanders, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Dan Wilkenson, Dana Stubblefield, Mark Brunnell, and we waste draft picks like candy, heck we threw in draft picks with both the Portis and the Brunnell deals! Now they have had a few decent signings the last year or so, but by and large our front office makes one screw up after another. How can you say a 7th rounder is high risk, that make absolutely no sense to me since we have never had a 7th round selection pan out and be a real contributor anyway, and this kid has real potential.

SmootSmack 07-15-2005 11:50 AM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
When did Matty say it was high risk? He just said it wasn't worth it, right Matty?

paulskinsfan 07-15-2005 11:55 AM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Crlesh was the high risk analysis with giving up a 7th rounder, sorry.

MTK 07-15-2005 12:04 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Mattyk72, do you really want to have a debate on how good or bad our front office is? Vinny and Danny Boy have given us: Deion Sanders, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, Dan Wilkenson, Dana Stubblefield, Mark Brunnell, and we waste draft picks like candy, heck we threw in draft picks with both the Portis and the Brunnell deals! Now they have had a few decent signings the last year or so, but by and large our front office makes one screw up after another. How can you say a 7th rounder is high risk, that make absolutely no sense to me since we have never had a 7th round selection pan out and be a real contributor anyway, and this kid has real potential.[/QUOTE]

[color=black]We've had our share of quality moves as well, but I guess it's easier to focus on the negative. As for the bad moves sure we've had our share, what team doesn't?[/color]

[color=black]I never said a 7th rounder is high risk. Frankly I wouldn't have cared if they gave up a 7th rounder for him, but to criticize them for passing on him is silly. Criticize them for the Brunell move or giving up too much for Portis, but blasting them for passing on a WR in the supplemental draft is ridiculous.[/color]

[color=black]If this kid has some much potential why weren't teams falling over themselves to grab him?[/color]

[color=black]Nobody in the entire league was willing to give up even a 7th rounder for him, and only 4 teams showed interest after the supplemental draft was over. [/color]

[color=black]Maybe everyone is missing the boat on this kid, maybe he's the next TO, somehow I doubt it though. He's definitely a project and no quick fix to our WR corps.[/color]

Kinda funny you say we waste draft picks, but then you want them to throw a pick on a kid who hasn't played football in 3 years.

BrudLee 07-15-2005 12:11 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
The supplimental draft is typically filled with fool's gold. Of course Manuel Wright and Crosby looked good - there was no one to compare them to. Crosby ran two sub 4.5 40's, and while that's nice, he suffered fatigue related leg cramps during his workout for the pros, and couldn't finish. He was going to play pro baseball, but (to quote SI.com), "injuries, indecision and personal issues took their toll on Crosby." Oh, yeah - I want that guy on my team.

Crosby may turn out to be a real player. I doubt it, but it may happen. The same may go for Wright - he couldn't crack the starting lineup (or his books, apparently) at USC, but maybe the NFL is more his speed. There's a reason there aren't many supplimental draft success stories, though.

PFunk26 07-15-2005 12:20 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Crosby signed with the Colts today according to yahoo sports

BrudLee 07-15-2005 12:23 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
[QUOTE=PFunk26]Crosby signed with the Colts today according to yahoo sports[/QUOTE]
Which is a great fit for him. He's under [u]no[/u] pressure to produce, and he might learn from the great pros ahead of him.

PSUSkinsFan21 07-15-2005 12:55 PM

Re: Why aren't we risking a 6th or 7th rounder in supp. draft?
 
Is there any doubt that even if we wasted a 7th rounder on Crosby he wouldn't have made the team? We can't carry all the guys we already have on the roster at WR. What the heck are we going to do with another one? As it stands now we may have to cut either Dyson or McCants; and I can't help but doubt that Crosby would be any better than those two guys.


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