Gardner to Panthers
 

I just read on redskins.com saying there is a trade for Rod Gardner to the Panthers pending a physical. Doesn't say what we get but at least it would be something :food-smil

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[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2118118[/url]

We get a draft pick, at this point, it's not clear which round...

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Redskins actually got something for nothing finally.

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sweet! we finally got rid of mr. drop it like it's hot.

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I'm betting it's a 5th rounder at best

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I'm really surprised we were able to move him since it was so obvious he was going to be cut.

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Glad to hear it. Even a 5th round pick would be better then nothing.

:dallas:

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I'm sure its a very low draft pick, but he was going to get cut anyways. I'm really suprised we actually got somthing for him, so I'll take whatever they are dishing out. Even if its a 6th or 7th rounder.....


In all seriousness though, I think he has the chance to have a very good year/career in Carolina or wherever he ends up. He could end up to be very good, and then everyone will point at us like were idiots (as usual). But its defintley time to part ways with him, as he was doing more bad than good.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm betting it's a 5th rounder at best[/QUOTE]

If it's as high as a 5th, you can spank me hard and call me bitch.

(Dear God let me right about this!!)

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Could it be conditional based on what kind of performance he has next year?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Could it be conditional based on what kind of performance he has next year?[/QUOTE]

if that does happen, we could be looking @ the good chance of recieving a decent pick with Gardner going into his contract year. and since that's too good of a scenario, we probably sent him there for a 6th rounder. :biggthump

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Seems like only yesterday I was reading posts on thewarpath.net saying how stupid the FO was for allowing Gardner and Barrow to seek trades. That who would be so stupid as to trade for either when they would just be released soon anyway

Well anyway, now the ball's in McCant's court so to speak...time for him to step up

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It looks like it will be a 6th, plus Carolina is responsible for $2 million of his base salary in 2005

[url]http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/12238897.htm[/url]

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]It looks like it will be a 6th, plus Carolina is responsible for $2 million of his base salary in 2005

[url="http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/12238897.htm"]http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/football/12238897.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

Couldn't read without siging up. Could you post the relavent parts?

(or maybe you already did in your first sentence.)

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The Carolina Panthers' lengthy search for a third wide receiver might have ended with an unexpected battle for the No. 2 job.

The Panthers will bring in Rod Gardner, a starter for almost his entire four seasons with the Washington Redskins, for a physical on Thursday morning. If Gardner passes all medical tests, Carolina will send a sixth-round pick in 2006 to Washington, according to multiple league sources.

Panthers general manager Marty Hurney and Gardner's agent, Joel Segal, confirmed the receiver will be in for a physical. Hurney confirmed a deal is likely if medical clearance is given (Gardner has had a relatively injury-free career). But Hurney and Segal would not say what the compensation would be. The sources said the draft-pick compensation also is conditional on Gardner making the roster, but that seems a certainty.

The Panthers were unsuccessful at landing a backup for starters Steve Smith and Keary Colbert in free agency and the college draft. But Gardner could be more than a backup. At very least, the Panthers will have three strong candidates for two starting jobs.

At 6-foot-2 and 213 pounds, Gardner has the kind of size Carolina had sought since releasing Muhsin Muhammad in February. Gardner started 62 of 64 games with Washington, but it became obvious last season that his future with the Redskins was in doubt.

He was to have a $3.5 million salary-cap hit, and the Redskins had been shopping Gardner since the Senior Bowl in January. Initially, they were seeking a second-round pick for the former first-round choice from Clemson. The Panthers, who had kept an eye on Gardner's situation, would be responsible for $2 million base salary in the final year of his contract.

"Rod's very excited and looking forward to going to camp and competing," Segal said.

There was some thought the Redskins would be forced to release Gardner in a salary-cap move after June1, but they hung onto the receiver and continued to drop their price tag.

Gardner's numbers dropped last year and in 2003, after he had 71 catches for 1,006 yards and eight touchdowns in 2002. But the Panthers view Gardner as a strong possession receiver, who could pair well with speedsters Smith and Colbert, who is coming off a solid rookie season.

The addition of Gardner will allow veteran Ricky Proehl to be used as a situational receiver in the red zone and give prospect Drew Carter time to develop.

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FINALLY. i always hated holding my breath extra long every time the ball was in the air going to ol' 'fiddyfiddy'. what's the purpose of size if you can't catch the clutch ones? better to replace him with speed to at least stretch the field out for Portis and Cooley.

still, he was as good as gone, why didn't the cats wait till we released him?

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[QUOTE=illdefined]FINALLY. i always hated holding my breath extra long every time the ball was in the air going to ol' 'fiddyfiddy'. what's the purpose of size if you can't catch the clutch ones? better to replace him with speed to at least stretch the field out for Portis and Cooley.

still, he was as good as gone, why didn't the cats wait till we released him?[/QUOTE]
This way the are garanteed to get him, if the waited they would have to compete for all of the droping hotness

That 2 million of base salary, does that mean anything to us?

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that means we get 2$mill in cap space back to pay for our rookie 1st rounders... and we're responsible for the 1.5$ thats left (so we bought a 6th round draft pick for 1.5$mill)...

its a good deal for them and we got more than a case of beer, BUT we could have gotten a 4th rounder for him before the draft and released barrow before the 2005 season too so its still a FO blunder, just with a partial recovery.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Seems like only yesterday I was reading posts on thewarpath.net saying how stupid the FO was for allowing Gardner and Barrow to seek trades. That who would be so stupid as to trade for either when they would just be released soon anyway

Well anyway, now the ball's in McCant's court so to speak...time for him to step up[/QUOTE]

The front office bashers seem kinda quiet now...

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[QUOTE=That Guy]that means we get 2$mill in cap space back to pay for our rookie 1st rounders... and we're responsible for the 1.5$ thats left (so we bought a 6th round draft pick for 1.5$mill)...

its a good deal for them and we got more than a case of beer, BUT we could have gotten a 4th rounder for him before the draft and released barrow before the 2005 season too so its still a FO blunder, just with a partial recovery.[/QUOTE]

How could they have gotten a 4th before the draft?

Was an official offer on the table and the Skins turned it down?

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[QUOTE=illdefined]still, he was as good as gone, why didn't the cats wait till we released him?[/QUOTE]

His price would only go up as a free agent

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It's just nice to see him packaged up and gone. And no, I don't think there was an offer on the table. Teams WERE offering a 4th rounder but he was wanting that contract extension.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]its a good deal for them and we got more than a case of beer, BUT we could have gotten a 4th rounder for him before the draft and released barrow before the 2005 season too so its still a FO blunder, just with a partial recovery.[/QUOTE]

I'm not so sure that's true. There was a lot of speculation that the Skins were holding out for a 3rd rounder, but I never heard that they had a solid offer from any team for a 4th. My understanding is that no team wanted to risk a high or mid round draft pick on a guy who didn't appear willing to sign a long-term deal. If the skins would have had a solid offer for a 4th rounder, I think they might have taken it.

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Sorry for the repeat. I'm just too slow of a typer I guess.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]that means we get 2$mill in cap space back to pay for our rookie 1st rounders... and we're responsible for the 1.5$ thats left (so we bought a 6th round draft pick for 1.5$mill)...

its a good deal for them and we got more than a case of beer, BUT we could have gotten a 4th rounder for him before the draft and released barrow before the 2005 season too so its still a FO blunder, just with a partial recovery.[/QUOTE]
The $2 million they are paying is his base salary. It sounds like we aren't paying out any money (or a negligible amount, if we are) other than the bonus monies he has already received.

I don't think anyone expected signing bonus to be refunded - and even if it was, I don't think it could be applied to the cap.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by [b]TAFKAS[/b]
[i]Seems like only yesterday I was reading posts on thewarpath.net saying how stupid the FO was for allowing Gardner and Barrow to seek trades. That who would be so stupid as to trade for either when they would just be released soon anyway

Well anyway, now the ball's in McCant's court so to speak...time for him to step up[/i]



The front office bashers seem kinda quiet now..."


Yeah Matty, getting a 7th rounder for a former 1st round pick really changes my opinion of the front office. You are sooo right, I should shut my mouth, whatever was I thinking? This is nothing to high five each other about, its a sad day really as a first round pick hits the door for next to nothing. Gardner has real talent and he'll do well in Carolina. So, lets evaluate this front office on their moves since Gibbs got there:

1. Traded Bailey AND a 2nd rounder for Portis.
2. Traded for Mark Brunell, gave him a giant contract with a crippling signing bonus.
3. Traded disgruntled WR Coles to the Jets for Santana Moss. Moss held out.
4. Traded the 2005 third and a 2006 first and fourth round pick for Denver’s 25th overall.
5. Traded a 2001 first rounder to Carolina for a 6th or 7th round choice. In all fairness Gardner was going to be released for salary cap purposes.

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Is a 6th rounder better than nothing like you thought we were going to get?

That's all I'm sayin

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]lets evaluate this front office on their moves since Gibbs got there:

1. Traded Bailey AND a 2nd rounder for Portis.
2. Traded for Mark Brunell, gave him a giant contract with a crippling signing bonus.
3. Traded disgruntled WR Coles to the Jets for Santana Moss. Moss held out.
4. Traded the 2005 third and a 2006 first and fourth round pick for Denver’s 25th overall.
5. Traded a 2001 first rounder to Carolina for a 6th or 7th round choice. In all fairness Gardner was going to be released for salary cap purposes.[/QUOTE]

1. Drafted Sean Taylor (I know, he's a meathead off the field) but he's a major talent
2. Drafted Chris Cooley
3. Signed Shawn Springs
4. Signed Cornelius Griffin
5. Signed Marcus Washington
6. Traded for Clinton Portis, one of the best running backs in the league who just turned only 23
7. Moss held out of what? voluntary OTAs? So what?
8. And so on...

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Why are people whining about not getting what THEY think Gardner is/was worth when nobody offered it in the first place? If Gardner was worth a fourth rounder, heck if he was worth a 1st rounder, don't you think a team would have made the trade for him alot sooner?

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Quote:
This is nothing to high five each other about, its a sad day really as a first round pick hits the door for next to nothing. Gardner has real talent and he'll do well in Carolina. [/QUOTE]

paulskinsfan, what did you expect the Redskins to get for Gardner? Who cares if he's a former first round pick? He never lived up to it. Thats why when our great FO tried to get a 3rd round pick for him, no one thought he was worth it. What does that tell you? If all they can get is 6th round pick, then take it. It's better than getting nothing.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Why are people whining about not getting what THEY think Gardner is/was worth when nobody offered it in the first place? If Gardner was worth a fourth rounder, heck if he was worth a 1st rounder, don't you think a team would have made the trade for him alot sooner?[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Thats what I'm trying to say. He's not even worth a 4th rounder.....so it doesn't matter that he got drafted in the 1st round. Like I said on my previous post -- HE NEVER LIVED UP TO HIS POTENTIAL

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He's a talented guy that will probably frustrate the hell out of Panther fans all year.

But he's going to throw some killer parties! Crank up the drunk bus Carolina here comes 50/50!

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Damn, the Panther fans are obviously living in a larger fantasy world than most of us. Check it out.

[url]http://www.panthershuddle.com/newforum/viewtopic.php?t=10930[/url]

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[QUOTE=manicd]Damn, the Panther fans are obviously living in a larger fantasy world than most of us. Check it out.

[url="http://www.panthershuddle.com/newforum/viewtopic.php?t=10930"]http://www.panthershuddle.com/newforum/viewtopic.php?t=10930[/url][/QUOTE]

Oh lordy

I saw someone say their going to win the Super Bowl now, and another that said he was so excited he was shaking.

You've gotta be kidding me

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[QUOTE=manicd]Damn, the Panther fans are obviously living in a larger fantasy world than most of us. Check it out.

[url]http://www.panthershuddle.com/newforum/viewtopic.php?t=10930[/url][/QUOTE]

Here's a quote from that site:

"oh yeah Nance, isn't Rod in the last year of his deal? I so, I would love to lock him up for like maybe 2.5 - 3 mil a year for about 4 years. I'm sure he'll wait till the end of the year though, unless he feels grateful for us taking him, oh well... I'M JUST HYPED ABOUT HIM COMING HERE."

Believe me, Rod would love to sign for $3 million a year. That'll be $60,000 a catch, if you're lucky. Or, about $75,000 a drop.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Oh lordy

I saw someone say their going to win the Super Bowl now, and another that said he was so excited he was shaking.

You've gotta be kidding me[/QUOTE]

NO WAY!!! Hahahahahahahahahaha!

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Someone else said that Carolina has the best WR corp now with the addition of Gardner. :Smoker: :doh:

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Guys, every fan sees things through his/her teams colored glasses. For Carolina, it is a very good pickup. A veteran starter that could be a good #2 or #3 WR. Basically a replacement for Muhammad. And on our end, we got something for a guy that's been a dissappointment and would've been released anyway. Not bad from either point of view. But Superbowl??? Uhhh....ok....BUT honestly in today's NFL, who knows! They are a only year removed from being in the big game. (I wouldn't bet on it though)

As for the arguement that he was a 1st round pick, that is irrelevant. Pierce was a no-name player that performed well and got rewarded with a good deal. Priest Holmes wasn't even drafted. Should guys like these not make more money just because they weren't drafted high? No, they have proven themselves on the field. It works both ways. I wouldn't exactly call him a bust, but Gardner has definitely underachieved, so he is not worth as much as his potential was when he was drafted.

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I'm going to agree with the first part of your statement. I mean Dyson comes in for us and we all expect him to contribute, but how much do we REALLY think he will? I mean at least we aren't saying he is the missing piece to our Super Bowl team.

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I know I've deluded myself in relation to some of our past pick ups, but DAMNNN!!! those r some poor misguided people and this from a guy who thinks he'll do pretty well for the panthers but him being the final peice to get them to the superbowl and giving them them best wr corps in the league, DAMNNN!!! :doh: :rofl: