Dr. Z on Gibbs
 

What do you guys make of these comments by SI's Dr. Z?

"The real reason Joe Gibbs came back was because his son, Coy, the ex-Stanford linebacker, wasn't doing too well on the NASCAR circuit and wanted a shot at being a coach in the NFL. So he has a job on Joe's staff (Quality Control Coach/Offense). ...

From someone familiar with the modus operandi of Redskins owner Dan Snyder: "If Gibbs runs into problems, Snyder won't go after him, not the first year, anyway. He'll go after one of his assistants. With Norv Turner, it was Mike Nolan; with Marty Schottenheimer, it was Jimmy Raye; with Steve Spurrier, it was Marvin Lewis. In the second year, it'll be Gibbs' turn." ... "

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/dr_z/03/31/insider/index.html[/url]

Dr. Z is just looking for something to write. Dr. Z is worse than Pastabelly. I thought this has already been brought up. Coy did tell his dad that since his racing career was not doing so good he wanted to try coaching. Thus sparked Coach to get back in. Coach could of easly got Coy a job anywhere in the league.

First off, Marvin Lewis didn't get run off by Snyder. He took the head coaching job for which he was long overdue. Everyone knew that was coming, even when Lewis was hired, so how can he blame Snyder for that?

Zimmerman and King make me sick to my stomach. In fact, I have a feeling that source Zimmerman says is "familiar with the modus operandi of Redskins owner Dan Snyder" probably is Peter King.

Yes, Gibbs' son wanted to learn something about coaching-- but does any sane person think that was the primary motivator for Gibbs' return? Hell no! Gibbs came back because the situation was right, the money was great, and more than anything else-- he wanted the challenge. He thrives on the challenge.

The only thing that article told me is that Zimmerman doesn't know jacks%$# about Joe Gibbs, and he has to rely upon Peter King to provide him with the appropriate anti-Snyder spin on the whole deal.

[QUOTE=smootsmack]What do you guys make of these comments by SI's Dr. Z?

"The real reason Joe Gibbs came back was because his son, Coy, the ex-Stanford linebacker, wasn't doing too well on the NASCAR circuit and wanted a shot at being a coach in the NFL. So he has a job on Joe's staff (Quality Control Coach/Offense). ...

From someone familiar with the modus operandi of Redskins owner Dan Snyder: "If Gibbs runs into problems, Snyder won't go after him, not the first year, anyway. He'll go after one of his assistants. With Norv Turner, it was Mike Nolan; with Marty Schottenheimer, it was Jimmy Raye; with Steve Spurrier, it was Marvin Lewis. In the second year, it'll be Gibbs' turn." ... "

[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/dr_z/03/31/insider/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Z's crazy if he thinks Lewis was chased out of town.

That was probably the worst article i have ever read.

Typical Skins hate from Z.. He's an admitted Redskins hater with a personal bias against Snyder.. I don't even read that clown anymore.

This is what happened, Gibb's has stayed out of football for as long as he did because of his wife, he had a desire to come back but his wife had enough of football, infact she was the one who essentially stopped him from going to atlanta a few year's ago, [thank you mrs. Gibb's] he was starting to get the fever again but he respected his wife's wishes, but she did not like the fact that coy was in the racing circuit [I don't know if he actually raced the car's or mrs. Gibb's was afraid that he might try his hand at driving] so she gave JG the ok to coach again, knowing that would get her son out of the racing circuit, but JG told his son before he came back that he wasen't doing it for him, he was doing it because he wanted to, joe could of gotten coy a job in a heartbeat if he wanted, he didn't have to take on a coaching job to do that, but so long as you can kill 2 bird's with 1 stone why not! as far as I can tell coy is starting out at the bottom and knowing how Gibb's operate's the only way he will move up is if he truly earn's it, as far as snyder running off Gibb's Snyder is as big a fan if not bigger of Gibb's than any of us here, I actually find that funny.

For someone who "just came back for his son", Gibbs sure has dove headfirst back into coaching.

Zimmerman is a joke.

What a load of crap. Z is a complete idiot.

Absolute horseshit from a horses ass. I'm sure part of the reason Coach Gibbs came back is because it hurts to see how bad the Skins have become.

Well I think we all agree that these comments are both ignorant and absurd. Especially the notion that Snyder pushed Lewis out the door. Lewis, as Crisp said, was long overdue for a coaching opportunity and he got it. What was Dr. Z hoping for? That Lewis would get a head coaching job and Snyder wouldn't let him go?

Does this b*tch have an e-mail? I'm sick of his crap. I can't even read my SI anymore because of this crack head. He just pisses me off. I feel like going on a Winslow rant minus the "soldier" statement after reading this.

I'm sorry but if Gibbs wants to find a job for his son he'd have no problem. Hell, all he has to do is tell one of the coaches in the language to hire him and they’d do it….it would be smart thing to do. You gets Gibbs’ son on your staff and you could potential have access to Gibbs' himself.

Put simply, Dr. Z is an idiot and one of the reasons why SI is dying.

And the rest of that article was filled with nonesense about cheescake and brunches. What the F*** are they paying him for? I coulda written a better article here in Brooklyn. Sportscurm.'s reports about the owners meeting are a thousand times better.

[QUOTE=saden1]I'm sorry but if Gibbs wants to find a job for his son he'd have no problem. Hell, all he has to do is tell one of the coaches in the language to hire him and they’d do it….it would be smart thing to do. You gets Gibbs’ son on your staff and you could potential have access to Gibbs' himself.

Put simply, Dr. Z is an idiot and one of the reasons why SI is dying.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, I mean Gibbs could have just stayed on as part-owner with the Falcons and had his son added to that staff

Z is one of the reasons I cancelled my SI subscription a [i]long[/i] time ago.

I didn't even read the article but I know people will make these sorts of judgments and wisecracks about the Redskins until the team turns it around on the field. When you're winning, any sort of dysfunction tends to get winked at by the media ... when you're losing or mediocre, it's the only thing to talk about. Lucky for us, this ship is turning around and the clowns who pass themselves off as experts will have to find some other shit to stir. Snyder will always receive his pot shots and you never know, Gibbs may too before this is over, but winning breeds respect and we finally have a coach who knows how to win. We've seen the way he builds a team ... next comes winning a bunch of games ... and then we'll start seeing articles about the Bandwagon and such things.

I'm pretty sure on one of Gibb's first interviews with George Michael he said the reason he came back was for Coy. He said he liked to coach, but his primary reason for coming back was his son.

So what if Gibbs coming back is because of his son? Yes, Gibbs could have gotten his son a job on a coaching staff somewhere, but wasn't one of the reasons Gibbs left was to be able to spend more time with his family?

Did this idea ever cross Dr. Z's mind? Gibbs thinking, "Why let some other coaching staff show my son the ropes when I can show him how it is done!!"

[QUOTE=Daseal]I'm pretty sure on one of Gibb's first interviews with George Michael he said the reason he came back was for Coy. He said he liked to coach, but his primary reason for coming back was his son.[/QUOTE]
:stop: Dammit, Daseal, you just had to go and throw a wrench in our anti-SI rant, didn't you?! Man, now I have to find another argument for why Dr. Zzzzzz' s a jackass. Thanks a lot, Daseal!:cheeky-sm

No, seriously, I know Gibbs has said numerous times that Coy was a big reason for him wanting to come back, but I tend to think that Coy may have been the spark that simply re-ignited the fire, so to speak. Whenever I hear him talk about Coy telling him he wanted to try coaching, it sounds to me as if it was the turning point where Gibbs began to think, "Hey maybe that's not such a bad idea after all." His sons were a big reason why he quit coaching to begin with, feeling that it took too much time away from his family. Now that Coy's all grown up, and has expressed his own desire to coach, maybe Joe thought, "Hey, this would be a great way to spend some more time with my son, while doing what I love to do anyway, right?"

So while Coy may have been a major catalyst for Gibbs' change of heart, I find it extremely difficult to believe that Coy is the primary fuel that drives him on a daily basis. We all know what drives Gibbs, and that is the desire to be the best at what he does. The guy may talk like a saint, but his competitive fire burns hotter than hell.

[QUOTE=Daseal]I'm pretty sure on one of Gibb's first interviews with George Michael he said the reason he came back was for Coy. He said he liked to coach, but his primary reason for coming back was his son.[/QUOTE]

Happy 21st Daseal!! :food-smil
Just remember, Don't Drink and.....Post! Though I know we all have

I think I was more bothered by the fact that Z was almost predicting that Gibbs wouldn't be a success and Snyder was going to kick him to the curb next year and the notion that Snyder got rid of Marvin Lewis

[QUOTE=joecrisp]:stop: Dammit, Daseal, you just had to go and throw a wrench in our anti-SI rant, didn't you?! Man, now I have to find another argument for why Dr. Zzzzzz' s a jackass. Thanks a lot, Daseal!:cheeky-sm

No, seriously, I know Gibbs has said numerous times that Coy was a big reason for him wanting to come back, but I tend to think that Coy may have been the spark that simply re-ignited the fire, so to speak. Whenever I hear him talk about Coy telling him he wanted to try coaching, it sounds to me as if it was the turning point where Gibbs began to think, "Hey maybe that's not such a bad idea after all." His sons were a big reason why he quit coaching to begin with, feeling that it took too much time away from his family. Now that Coy's all grown up, and has expressed his own desire to coach, maybe Joe thought, "Hey, this would be a great way to spend some more time with my son, while doing what I love to do anyway, right?"

So while Coy may have been a major catalyst for Gibbs' change of heart, I find it extremely difficult to believe that Coy is the primary fuel that drives him on a daily basis. We all know what drives Gibbs, and that is the desire to be the best at what he does. The guy may talk like a saint, but his competitive fire burns hotter than hell.[/QUOTE]

I heard in a interview with Gibb's and he said that he told his son that he wasen't doing this [coming back] for him. it was one of his first interview's. yes coy had a hand in it, but it was his mother who I guess figured it would be best if coy started coaching to do it under one of the best, so she gave her blessing's on joe coming back.

Happy Birthday Daseal - though if your 21st is anything like mine was, your eyes will be swollen shut for a few days after your first night of legal drinking. :food-smil

Coy may have initially put the thought into Coach Gibbs's head, but you can't fake the energy and passion Joe has brought to the challenge of building and running this team. We should all thank Coy Gibbs for lighting the spark (a nice fruit basket, perhaps?), but the fire belongs to Joe Gibbs.

Dammit, Daseal, now I feel bad about pretending to be mad at you for throwing a wrench in our anti-SI rant!!!

Seriously, happy 21st birthday!!!:food-smil :party-smi :party-smi :food-smil

Hope you have a blast this weekend!!!

You're one of the best posters on this board, despite the fact that I tend to disagree with you at least 50% of the time! But that's what makes you such a good poster-- you stick to your guns, and you always present a good argument, which contributes greatly to the quality of the discussions on this board. Happy Birthday, Daseal!

Happy 21st B-day, Daseal. Now you can have your first legal beer.
:food-smil

Why do I get the feeling that this won't be your first? :headbange

I think JC summed things up well.

Coy's desire to get into coaching is what may have initially sparked Gibbs' interest, but it's not the sole reason for his return. Gibbs would never do something half-assed, if he's committing to something he's committing himself 110%.

Making the Skins into winners again is the ultimate challenge for Gibbs. If he can climb that mountain twice, he will surpass his already legendary coaching status.

Oh and by the way, have a happy b-day Daseal!

How will you be celebrating the big occassion? Perhaps by throwing in a game tape from the Spurrier era and doing a little reminiscing?

LOL, j/k, have a great day!

Thanks guys! I appreciate it! I didn't do much for my Birthday, went out for dinner and a few drinks with a friend. Got a slight buzz going and then I went to bed, had a football game this morning. I plan on doing quite a bit more celebration tonight! Still debating as to where to go, have a few options to party at! I go to the grocery store, buy a bunch of beer, don't get carded.... The usual!

Matty, were you spying on me? I watched every single win during the Spurrier era. For the other 22 hours I worked and had a few drinks.

I think Gibbs is fully commiting himself, he always does. You never want to go into something half ass, give your all. However, I do believe that Coy was a large part in his decesion to return to coaching. Obviously he still has the desire and drive to win another Super Bowl (or two, or three, or four, or...). There's not a damn thing wrong with going back into the coaching world because your son wants to, and I'm glad to see him back in Washington. As much as I love Spurrier, it would be painful to see Gibbs anywhere else. Don't get me wrong, I still wanna see Spurrier at Redskins park, maybe just have Gibbs give him some pointers while Spurrier does O coordinator!

Thanks again for all the kind words!

Joe, I often don't expect many people to side with me, and on more than one occassion I haven't exactly agreed with myself, but I always try to look at something from a different perspective. Thanks again, and I'll see you all when the haze clears!

[quote]Why do I get the feeling that this won't be your first? [/quote]
Do my two possession of alcohols tip you off any? GRUMBLE!

Where is the email to complain about that dummy? I want to be heard!!