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In [URL=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/08/04/hall.of.fame/index.html]Dr. Z's latest SI.com article[/URL], he lists current players who make it to the Hall of Fame. Please note that he, along with Peter King of SI, has been a vocal Monk-basher when the vote comes around.

Here are some "Sure Things":

[QUOTE]Marvin Harrison -- Huge numbers will bring him in.

Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis -- Nos. 4 and 5, respectively, on the career rushing list.

Marshall Faulk -- No. 12, but fourth in total yards from scrimmage (rushing and pass catching).

Aeneas Williams and Derrick Brooks -- Long and meritorious service at corner and outside linebacker, respectively.[/QUOTE]

Please note that Monk has been excoriated because "numbers aren't everything", and "a long career isn't necessarily a great one".

I'm not trying to debate the merits of the players he's listed, but for Christ's sake! Be consistent in your arguments!

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What huge numbers for Harrison? He is still 1,536 yard behind Monk. He is still 95 catches behind Monk. Yes, both of those are attainable yet in his career, but as of now he is still behind our beloved Art Monk...

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and monk didn't have a qb like peyton manning.

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Hines Ward? You're kidding right?
Curtis Martin? Isn't he the Art Monk of RBs?
What a joke this list is.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Hines Ward? You're kidding right?
Curtis Martin? Isn't he the Art Monk of RBs?
What a joke this list is.[/QUOTE]
The difference is, Curtis Martin played in New York. That makes him better than you or I will ever be. For God's sake, he's got Pennington as a maybe!!!

And again, I'm not saying any of the players listed will or won't make the Hall. I'm sure reasoned arguments could be made for all of them - and he definitely left players off the list (Tony Gonzales is as close to a lock as anyone playing). My beef is that he is glorifying today's players using the same criteria that he keeps Art out of the Hall with.

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Yeah... I definately don't get the pennington metion... maybe he realizes that it IS a privelege to cover the jets.

whiney little bitch.

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I think those scumbags (Z and King) have a thing against Monk. Maybe its cause he wan't accesible to the media, or lound and flashy. At one point he was the all-time leader in catches - on a predominatley running offense, how can you deny that.

Monk's record of 106 catches stood for over 10 years and in the decade of the 80's there wasn't [b]one[/b] WR with over a 100 catches besides Monk. [i]In the 90's alone there were 23 WRs with over a 100 catches!![/i]

what in the hell does that tell you?? If Art played in his prime in the pass happy 90's he would have over 1500 catches! You have to figure that in voting for him, he was ahead of his time! He also had a ton of different QB's throwing to him, imagine if Monk had Montana, Young, Kelly, or at best one QB throwing to him for his career! fugetaboutit!

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Hines Ward????????????????
Give me a fucking break!
I have always said that King and this Z dude are a couple of true douche bags. Probably closet cowpie fans.

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"Aeneas Williams and Derrick Brooks -- Long and meritorious service at corner and outside linebacker, respectively."

Art Monk--Long and meritorious service at wide receiver

Like Brud said, the lack of consistency is infuriating

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Hines Ward yet no respect for Monk?

I give up.

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Guys, drop a note in his mailbag regarding a Hines Ward to Art Monk comparison. I want to see him try to justify this one.

If enough people drop him a note, he just might address it next time.

That's just ludicrous.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]And again, I'm not saying any of the players listed will or won't make the Hall. I'm sure reasoned arguments could be made for all of them - and he definitely left players off the list (Tony Gonzales is as close to a lock as anyone playing). My beef is that he is glorifying today's players using the same criteria that he keeps Art out of the Hall with.[/QUOTE]
I give this post 5 *s. I couldn't agree more.

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I am telling you all Monk and Martin are the same deal. Think about it. What are the arguments against Monk? He wasn't the best WR in the league at the time, he was maybe top 5. He wasn't FEARED. Martin is the same deal. At no time in his career has he been considered the best RB in the league or even close. He isn't feared like others are. Heck for a significant portion of this career he was taken out in goaline situations. And this guy deserves a "sure thing" while Monk deserves nothing? What a complete laod of crap!

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On NFL Live today, they were saying that Monk should be in

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It is comforting to know that there are common sense people out there like my fellow Redskin fans. I thought i would be the only one that saw that Hines Ward thing. Dont get me wrong i like Wards game it reminds me of a Monk. He is the Rock of the recievers corps, tough, gets the job done yet is quit, humble, and just wants to win. Does that sound like anyone you guys know? Let me give you a hint- #81

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Monk deserves to be in there is no doubt about it. I just don't understand his damn list of current players, how can he even talk about portis and the hall of fame, to me as of now we can't even put portis and HOF in the same sentense. and saying he is a long shot after his 3rd season is just plain stupid,

Hines Ward being a sure thing is possibly the dumbest thing i have ever heard

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What's the old saying, politics make strange bedfellows, this is from the Spurs Talk Football Forum board........it appears the Boyz fans feel the same way we do about their players being snubbed for the Hall of Fame. And scroll down a bit and read Item #1 that jackass Peter King admits he doesn't vote for Art Monk. :cussing:

[url]http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16118[/url]

Calling all conspiracy theorists

Peter King, SI.com

Sometimes a story gets legs and takes off. People accept it as fact and when someone disputes the premise, people look at the disputer like: "Are you nuts?''

Today's tale: There is an anti-Cowboys bias among Hall of Fame voters.

I aim to dispute it, but let's hear from our first e-mailer to kick off the festivities.

ARE THE COWBOYS GETTING JOBBED? From Bruce E. Sellers of Mapleton, Minn.: "I would assume it is only a matter of time before you address the latest hubbub surrounding Drew Pearson's comments about a bias in the media being the reason he and a number of other Cowboys from those '70s teams have been snubbed by the Hall of Fame (i.e., Pearson, Rayfield Wright, Cliff Harris). This conspiracy theory has been floating around for quite a few years now, and I never bought into it until recently. My change of heart really started when Michael Irvin didn't get in last year. I thought he was a sure first-ballot HOFer. I don't want to hear about his off-the-field exploits, because there are a lot of characters in the Hall with not-so-glowing resumes. Paul Zimmerman even wrote that Irvin didn't get in because some of the writers didn't like the way he appeared on ESPN in his role with Countdown. If this is true, then that is ridiculous because the voting should be about what happened on the field.''

This story gained some steam on Monday, when Dan Patrick devoted much of his afternoon radio show to the topic, and Pearson called in to rip the process that has excluded some Dallas stars from the Hall. It's the same thing I've been hearing for years as one of the 39 Hall voters: For some reason, we don't like the Cowboys, and so we're not electing a representative number of them to the Hall. Let me make three points:

1. I can't vouch for the other 38 voters. I can only tell you what I think, and I know I have no bias against any player or any team when it comes to Hall voting. "Bias'' is an interesting word. Just because I vote against Art Monk does not mean in any way that I'm biased against him. I just feel he belongs in the Hall of Very Good, not in Canton. Paul Zimmerman may have heard in the room that some voters are biased against Irvin for his off-the-field problems or for his bombastic role on ESPN, but that is something I didn't catch. We are told that only on-field exploits are open for judgment, not what happens to a guy at midnight during the week. Might some voters hold his wild off-field life against Irvin? Could be, but I never heard one of the 39 voters say his vote was going to be affected by it.

2. I don't believe the Cowboys, more than any other team, are under-represented in the Hall. I voted for Wright all the way last year, the same way I voted for Irvin all the way this year. But I've also voted for other guys who don't get in (Russ Grimm and Harry Carson being the most notable ones these days). The Cowboys made it to five Super Bowls in a nine-year period, and 10 people from those teams are in the Hall. Let's exclude the short-timers, like Herb Adderley, and say that seven bedrock Cowboys from those teams have made the Hall. Compare that to the team from the next generation that was as good, and maybe better historically, than Dallas. San Francisco, over a 14-year period, made it to five Super Bowls and has four people from that era in the Hall. So why don't I hear the same rabble-rousing from the Charles Haley, Randy Cross and Roger Craig advocates that I hear constantly from Dallas?

3. The only logical argument for more Cowboys is the epidemic of Steelers in the Hall. I can't defend some of the Pittsburgh choices, because quite frankly, I wasn't in favor of some of their players, like Lynn Swann. Just a personal feeling. But the Hall historically has favored players from Super Bowl winners. Pittsburgh was 4-0 in a six-season span. Dallas was 2-3 in a nine-year run. San Francisco was 5-0 in their 14-year spell, which makes the lack of Niners ever more noticeable. And look at Washington, 3-1 in Super Bowls in a 10-year run and just two Hall members -- John Riggins and Joe Gibbs. I'd buy the argument that Grimm, Joe Jacoby, Matt Millen and Darrell Green all deserve their day before our committee.

So, the fact that "only'' seven Cowboys are in the Hall from that era doesn't get much violin music from me.