Rock or Nemo?
 

vote and discuss

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Rock's just not big enough, though I like his pass catching ability. We need someone to punch the ball in the end zone and get first downs when it's 3rd and 1. I say keep Nemo, he's 250+ pounds.

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Nemo! He has better size and better speed (I think). I love Rock, but I think Nemo has more to offer in terms of playmaking ability, and on special teams.

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I wish they had Nemo on Madden!!!!

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I like Rock but if it's a competition between he and Nemo, I like Nemo's upside.
:dallas:

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I am a big Rock fan but I think he isn't quite what they're looking for. He needs to really blow the staff away on special teams to stick it would seem. Hopefully he can catch on somewhere esle is they do have to let him go. He is an NFL player.

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Was anybody else surprised to see Rock was 11/14 on 3rd and 1's in 2003? That's pretty damn good.

Still, I like what Nemo brings to the table in terms of sheer size. I can see him filling the Gerald Riggs type role for us... punching through the line on short yardage and goal line situations.

Rock certainly won't make this decision easy though. He's solid on special teams and was pretty impressive catching the ball on Sat. night.

I'm hoping we can find a way to keep them both, but if I had to choose one I'd keep Nemo and reluctantly part ways with Rock.

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I like both of them, I hope there's room. Nemo looked really good in that game though...

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]I wish they had Nemo on Madden!!!![/QUOTE]

Me too.

I was disappointed they didn't include him and White, but I'm sure both will be included on roster updates assuming they both make the team.

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Can't we keep both and maybe drop one of the 73 Safeties we have on the current roster?

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I think Nemo was brought into compete for whatever position Sellers currently has. In my opinion, Nemo hasn't quite knocked off the Rock or penalty-prone Sellers as H-back, RB, or special teamer. Isn't it amazing how some plays look so good when the ball carrier waits for his blocks (or possibly he's slower than his lineman)? Nemo's last name does look kind of sweet on Madden though. If Nemo fumbles the ball again he's get the ax along with Combs, period. :oink:

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Yeah, I vote for getting rid of a safety.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Can't we keep both and maybe drop one of the 73 Safeties we have on the current roster?[/QUOTE]

lol..how 'bout that! but they probably won't, however. nemo brings a little more to the table, and he's yet to fully pick up the system. so his upside, at this point, is probably a little more than rock.

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Nemo moves piles - and he's cheaper than Rock.

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Sellers has been moved to TE.

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rock was 240 before gibbs told him to lose weight since he doesn't use FBs.

I really rather keep both if rock keeps playing like that.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]rock was 240 before gibbs told him to lose weight since he doesn't use FBs.

I really rather keep both if rock keeps playing like that.[/QUOTE]
Gibbs never told him to lose weight. That was a decision Cartwright made all by himself.

Nemo

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My loyalty button would say keep Rock. however, in needing a bruising back, Nemo fits the mold. Rock is a proven Special Teamer, while Nemo is a rookie still getting his feet wet. Nemo is cheaper, but not enough of a difference to using money as a deciding factor.

I too vote rid of safety, keep both Rock and Nemo for Special Teams, let Rock be the 3rd down back, Nemo short yardage back, and be done with it.

If i was picking today, I'd take Rock...

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Nemo looked great vs Carolina, and we say not to judge someone by one game. HOWEVER, to be a short yardage back, Rock is just too small. Period. If he was a full time type back and good enough to compete there, I'd give him more of a chance, but as a short yardage back, I dont think he's quite there.

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I'm not ready to vote yet. I want to see if Nemo can continue to catch the ball and make sure he doesn't have fumble problems. He looks good running the ball. I'd give him the edge if it was my decision.

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We drafted Nemo for the short yardage 3rd down play. Or when we are trying to punch it in the endzone. I could care less who of our 3rd stringers catches the ball, when one of them weighs 30 more lbs than the other, and knows how to use it.

The touchdown, and the long run were not what impressed me with nemo against the panthers. One of the plays he got stuffed after like 3 yards. After someone wrapped him up, he kept pushing. Then more defenders began to throw their weight on. The last piece of him that I saw on that play before the whistle, was his stocky calves holding up the pile, and leaning forward. This guy must squat a ton. I love him.

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that being said, he needs to face starters to really evaluate him

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Was anybody else surprised to see Rock was 11/14 on 3rd and 1's in 2003? That's pretty damn good.

Still, I like what Nemo brings to the table in terms of sheer size. I can see him filling the Gerald Riggs type role for us... punching through the line on short yardage and goal line situations.

Rock certainly won't make this decision easy though. He's solid on special teams and was pretty impressive catching the ball on Sat. night.

I'm hoping we can find a way to keep them both, but if I had to choose one I'd keep Nemo and reluctantly part ways with Rock.[/QUOTE]


Riggs is a pretty good assesmnent of him he just run's to where he's supposed to, he doesn't hit the hole as hard as Rigg's but that may come with familiarity of the offense, the one thing he does do is run where the hole is supposed to be, he goes north and south, I saw him miss a cut in the hole the other night when there was a wide open left side he went the wrong way, but that's not what he's there for.

As for Rock? He was very impressive out of the backfield last scrimmage, but we have plenty of guy's who can catch out of the backfield, we need short yardage runners, and Rock is just a tad undersized to be moving piles, where as I saw Nemo start pushing players backwards after contact, I think Gibbs will do what he can to keep both, but if push comes to shove it will be Nemo.

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Poor Rock Cartwright, he cuts his weight down from 240 to 215 because "Gibbs doesn't use fullbacks", and then they go out and draft a 255 pound running back for short yardage situations to move the pile.

That right there shows you that the cards are probably stacked against Rock. But there's plenty of time for him to shine on special teams -- that will be the key for him.

I'm not voting yet though, I need to see more games.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Poor Rock Cartwright, he cuts his weight down from 240 to 215 because "Gibbs doesn't use fullbacks", and then they go out and draft a 255 pound running back for short yardage situations to move the pile.

That right there shows you that the cards are probably stacked against Rock. But there's plenty of time for him to shine on special teams -- that will be the key for him.

I'm not voting yet though, I need to see more games.[/QUOTE]


You know Beems I didn't realize he lost that kind of weight, when he was running after the catches he made the other night I was looking to see who it was, I couldn't believe it was Rock, he really did look good, I wonder if he can fill a different role, although Portis and Betts can catch perhaps he may be better out of the backfield, maybe a good 3rd down back, he's not exactly a burner like you may expect out of a 3rd down guy, but perhaps he will be the kind of player who just keeps moving the chains on 3rd down? I am sure he will have plenty of chances in the upcoming games to show that.

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While i do like nemo for his size i did see him struggle during pass protection.He was trying to block with only his arms and looked ridiculous.besides how can you not vote to keep a guy on your roster named ROCK.also how about the stat 11of 14 on third and one that is indeed pretty damn good.looks to me like rock is more versitile and that is why i say dont drop the rock!!!



p.s
I know having a cool name is no reason to keep a guy but damn rock cartwright is a bad ass name for a football player.

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I've really liked Rock and the way he's stepped into multiple positions when needed, but from what I've seen and heard about Nemo, I think Gibbs could have found nicer diamond in the rough.

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What I'd like to see is Rock put back on about 10-15 lbs and then let us make a decision. Rock was almost automatic on 3rd downs and he is not the same player now. I want the old Rock back. I think that is what most of us see in Nemo now.

If this is a real competition, bring these guys in the game against first teamers on third and short and prove what they got. Then we (meaning Gibbs) can make a real informed decision.

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[QUOTE=cpayne5]Gibbs never told him to lose weight. That was a decision Cartwright made all by himself.[/QUOTE]

I don't think so, the coaches told him they don't use FBs at all etc and when he showed up lighter they sasid it was a great sign of how dedicated he was, so its obvious they wanted him slimmer whether they said it beforehand or not.

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Rock can play and has proven in the right system he can work it. I go with Rock

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Nemo! I believe he's going to be automatic on those short yardage plays.

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i like rock but i voted for nemo, nemo is a bigger version of rock. nemo's extra size will help out in those short yardage and goal line situations.

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nemo... he seems to have the same work ethic as rock- which will help compensate his lack of experience. what puts him over the hump is his size.

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I don't think there's any real comparison at this point. Nemo weighs 255 and Rock is around 210. Who's gonna have a better chance on 3rd and short? I think we should keep Rock if there's room, cause he a decent 3rd option if portis and betts go down. However we need a bruiser and well Nemo is that guy. I think both will be on the 53 man roster unless you see something crazy from Combs. BTW what ever happened to Sultan McCoulough? Skip Hicks? WR Justin Skaggs?

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i would like to keep both, i like both of them. cut a safety. but pertaining to safeties, how many safeties do we currently have on the roster?

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keep rock. he is one of the fastest players on the team(he ran the fastest 40 time the year he was at the combine). his speed allows him to get downfield fast on special teams where he will play.

btw, his size(lack of height) helps him on goal line runs, he can get lower than the defenders.

edit: fastest running back in that draft.

[url]http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives2001/draft_2001/combine_analysis_032802.asp[/url]

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb]I don't think there's any real comparison at this point. Nemo weighs 255 and Rock is around 210. Who's gonna have a better chance on 3rd and short? I think we should keep Rock if there's room, cause he a decent 3rd option if portis and betts go down. However we need a bruiser and well Nemo is that guy. I think both will be on the 53 man roster unless you see something crazy from Combs. BTW what ever happened to Sultan McCoulough? Skip Hicks? WR Justin Skaggs?[/QUOTE]

skip hicks led the nfle in yards two years ago i think... and sultan is on the browns roster at the moment, where he's slowly rotting away (he's #4 on the chart at best).

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[QUOTE=That Guy]I don't think so, the coaches told him they don't use FBs at all etc and when he showed up lighter they sasid it was a great sign of how dedicated he was, so its obvious they wanted him slimmer whether they said it beforehand or not.[/QUOTE]

"I knew with Coach Gibbs that my only shot at playing was as a running back," Cartwright said. "They don't need a fullback. So I kind of took it upon myself to lose the weight, come in to camp and show them I belong here."

I think its to early to tell but if I had to vote it would be for Rock. An earlier threed talked about his 2003 season and he was very impressive that year converting 11 of 14 3rd downs and scored four TD's of less than three yards. Last year he was over looked and never given a chance to reproduce his 2003 season and grow more in that roll. That was an error on or coaching staff not given him the chance even after we strugled in short yardage. Short yardage is short yardage and does not change that much from one coach to the next so he should be productive for any coach. His size may be a plus because he's hard to find and has a low center of gravity.