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A lot of wheeling and dealing in DAL. As if their defense wasn't already scary enough they make a move to aquire LB Scott Fujita from KC. IMO, he's just as good a player as our own Marcus Washington. The end must be near for Parcells. They are making a serious run to put a powerhouse on the field. But don't get me wrong. The sum is always greater than the parts. :oink:

[url]http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/09/03/kansas_city_trades_lb_scott_fujita_to_dallas/[/url]

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his stats looked awesome,why would kc trade him for a frickin 6th round pick?

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with the season up on us and Dallas having installed a new system, it will take him some time to get used to what's going on.

But is he really as good as M.Washington?? Washngton is a beast!

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Didn't they draft a LB? Maybe they thought they should trade him before he has another solid season and they would have to pay him what he's worth. :oink:

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[QUOTE=12thMan]with the season up on us and Dallas having installed a new system, it will take him some time to get used to what's going on.

But is he really as good as M.Washington?? Washngton is a beast![/QUOTE]

Of course he's not as intense as MW. But stats don't lie. He's sound and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. :oink:

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[QUOTE=BossHog]Of course he's not as intense as MW. But stats don't lie. He's sound and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. :oink:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, they drafted Derrick Johnson from Texas. A guy many thought the Skins should have taken. He's really good!

But like I said it'll take him a few weeks to get the schemes and system down in Big D. No matter, we'll beat the hell out of 'em either way!

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[QUOTE=BossHog]Of course he's not as intense as MW. But stats don't lie. He's sound and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. :oink:[/QUOTE]

stats do lie, the rest of that D was terrible, so if he was halfway decent, he could seriously run up his tackle numbers... watch pierce's numbers go up this year cause the rest of that wrecking crew is just awful.

I wouldn't put him near MW, but he's been one of the best defensive players KC hass had over the last few years, and great value for a 5th round pick.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]stats do lie, the rest of that D was terrible, so if he was halfway decent, he could seriously run up his tackle numbers... watch pierce's numbers go up this year cause the rest of that wrecking crew is just awful.

I wouldn't put him near MW, but he's been one of the best defensive players KC hass had over the last few years, and great value for a 5th round pick.[/QUOTE]

Let's not be opposite for the sake of being so. Marcus Washington played in INDs defense that sucked too. Considering the last two years only, Fujita is the best all around LB DAL has. Of course. DeMarcus Ware has the potential to to be the best this year on out. :oink:

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Scott Fujita is a solid player, but I don't think he's a difference maker (ala Marcus Washington). Also, Fujita never played as a 3-4 LB, so he's got a learning curve ahead of him. I don't think he's going to make a serious impact to Dallas' defense...IMO.

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Seems like KC gave him up on the cheap. Wonder why? Guess they were going to cut him...

Dallas has lots of depth in that D. It's going to be good, I'm afraid. But it's their O-line and QB that are the worry--Fujita isn't going to alter that basic equation.

(Wonder what happens to Parcells if the roids don't do well this year? All we hear is about Gibbs, yatta yatta. But the boys don't have a great window here, especially on Offense, IMO. )

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[QUOTE=BossHog]Let's not be opposite for the sake of being so. Marcus Washington played in INDs defense that sucked too. Considering the last two years only, Fujita is the best all around LB DAL has. Of course. DeMarcus Ware has the potential to to be the best this year on out. :oink:[/QUOTE]

I'm not, but i just don't think SF is as good as MW. and neither do the probowl voters i'd suspect ;)

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]Seems like KC gave him up on the cheap. Wonder why? Guess they were going to cut him...

Dallas has lots of depth in that D. It's going to be good, I'm afraid. But it's their O-line and QB that are the worry--Fujita isn't going to alter that basic equation.

(Wonder what happens to Parcells if the roids don't do well this year? All we hear is about Gibbs, yatta yatta. But the boys don't have a great window here, especially on Offense, IMO. )[/QUOTE]

What's interesting with Dallas this year is that they are going out signing a lot of FA and high profile picks and "names". Sound familiar??

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1. Peerless Price
2. Jason Ferguson
3. Marco Rivera
4. Scott Fujita
5. Drew Bled-slow
6. And a host of draft picks
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thing is, some of those pickups (price, rivera, fujita, the draft picks) are actually going to help them :/

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:thumb:

Im hoping for a Mike Vrabel/Carlos Emmons type of impact on the strongside

5 or 6 sacks, stout in the run game and good in coverage on the TE if necessary

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Fujita wasn't even under most of you guy's radar until now. And that was the same situation when we signed Washington. You had no clue what a 'difference' this guy was going to make. I'm all for believing Washington is a better player than Fujita but, let's be realistic here. I don't like to go toe to toe, just to make a point of an opinion. The best defensive player on our squad last year was Griffin and he should've been the guy going to the pro bowl since the 'pro bowl voters' allowed us only one. :oink:

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[QUOTE=la73hof]:thumb:

Im hoping for a Mike Vrabel/Carlos Emmons type of impact on the strongside

5 or 6 sacks, stout in the run game and good in coverage on the TE if necessary[/QUOTE]

Ah, I knew you could smell a Dallas conversation going on in here:)

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[QUOTE=That Guy]thing is, some of those pickups (price, rivera, fujita, the draft picks) are actually going to help them :/[/QUOTE]

But is it possible that they are trying to assemble, very quickly, a team of FAs and picks that will make an immediate impact like we have in the past? A la, Bruce Smith, D.Sanders, and a host of others.

Or is this a totally different thing here??

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[QUOTE=12thMan]But is it possible that they are trying to assemble, very quickly, a team of FAs and picks that will make an immediate impact like we have in the past? A la, Bruce Smith, D.Sanders, and a host of others.

Or is this a totally different thing here??[/QUOTE]

the latter:

[url]http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33627&page=1[/url]

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Ah, I knew you could smell a Dallas conversation going on in here:)[/QUOTE]

As of a week from now, that's all you're going to have...

good to see you guys got McCune back on the PS

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[QUOTE=la73hof]the latter:

[url]http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33627&page=1[/url][/QUOTE]

No thanks for the link. I don't know how you do it. I have no interest in rival fan-sites. :oink:

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[QUOTE=BossHog] I don't know how you do it. [/QUOTE]

The reason for last seasons back slide was overestimating the talent on the roster and FA pick ups

Exit head of scouting Lacewell and enter Jeff Ireland

BP has seen enough of an undersized unit get exploited damn near week in and week out and went back to his roots...3-4 and size

Add a guy who obviously knows talent in Ireland (all of our draft picks made the roster..Beriault on IR) along with 2 UDFA revelations in Johnson and Thompson

We dont overpay anymore...we valuable our draft selections and use them wisely (especially this year)

Thats about it..

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[QUOTE=That Guy]thing is, some of those pickups (price, rivera, fujita, the draft picks) are actually going to help them :/[/QUOTE]

But Guy, beyond this season what can some of these guys add to Dallas?

Bldedsoe 13 yr. vet
Ferguson 9 yr. vet (banged up all preseason)
Rivera 10 yr. vet (same)
Price 7 year vet.

I'm just wondering if there is a small window here??

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'HOF maybe I didn't make myself clear. Other than a DAL fan, who's interested in reading that article/post? I don't know why you're interested enough in WSH to come onto this site. :oink:

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[QUOTE=BossHog]Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Other than DAL fans, who's interested in reading that article/post?[/QUOTE]

I fixed it for you

Im sure you will have an increase in Cowboys traffic starting next week

The noobs, trolls, spammers...

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[QUOTE=la73hof]The reason for last seasons back slide was overestimating the talent on the roster and FA pick ups

Exit head of scouting Lacewell and enter Jeff Ireland

BP has seen enough of an undersized unit get exploited damn near week in and week out and went back to his roots...3-4 and size

Add a guy who obviously knows talent in Ireland (all of our draft picks made the roster..Beriault on IR) along with 2 UDFA revelations in Johnson and Thompson

We dont overpay anymore...we valuable our draft selections and use them wisely (especially this year)

Thats about it..[/QUOTE]

but haven't you guys had some questionble FA pickup this year as well??

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[QUOTE=12thMan]but haven't you guys had some questionble FA pickup this year as well??[/QUOTE]

FA p/u's

Ferguson
Bledsoe
Rivera
Aaron Glenn
Henry
Price

Trade: Fujita

Rivera struggled with a groin injury he sustained 2 days before the preseason opener in Arizona and missed 2 and a half weeks

If Thursday's nite game was an indicator of whats to come....Im real excited

Ferguson sustained a high ankle sprain and missed 3 weeks of practice in training camp

He got his 1st action against Jax and was ok...but rusty

Glover, per BP, will start the season as the starting NT--and Glover has looked very good doing so in the preseason

Bledsoe has looked sharp the last 2 preseason games--especially Thurs nite

Now, I know the preseason means nothing...but their are encouraging everywhere...a stellar offseason and weekly improvement throughout the preseason

Cant wait for a Gates-less SD Chargers next week

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Rivera has had some neck issues too, hasn't he?

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Rivera has had some neck issues too, hasn't he?[/QUOTE]

He actually has beack surgery after injuring himself in a workout back in..I want to say May.

The surgery went very well and he participated in camp

Then the groin injury

Now...he's ready to go

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[QUOTE=la73hof]He actually has beack surgery after injuring himself in a workout back in..I want to say May.

The surgery went very well and he participated in camp

Then the groin injury

Now...he's ready to go[/QUOTE]

Well, I hope is all healed up by the time he meets up with C.Griff + Salava'e.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Well, I hope is all healed up by the time he meets up with C.Griff + Salava'e.[/QUOTE]

I tell you what..

If you guys had one premier pass rushing DE to complement Arrington's pass rush abilities @ LB, your D would truly be scary

Gregg Williams has always done more with less

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Well, honestly, I take exception to that because if you ask me our D is already scary. Would a premier rusher make it better, sure.

As far as Williams he is quite the genious, but make no mistake while most of the league may consider some of our guys on defense "no-names", I think we have 4 or 5 legitimate pro-bowlers.

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lol wow. this guy is nowhere near as good as MW. all he is is an average linebacker. its not like they traded for a pro bowler or something

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Fujita is just as good as m. washington, wow you got to get me some of that stuff your smoking.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]But Guy, beyond this season what can some of these guys add to Dallas?

Bldedsoe 13 yr. vet
Ferguson 9 yr. vet (banged up all preseason)
Rivera 10 yr. vet (same)
Price 7 year vet.

I'm just wondering if there is a small window here??[/QUOTE]


Bledsoe 33 is sign to be the starter at least for 2 season wich at his age 33 is still a good age, some examples Trent Green is 35 and still performs at a great level, Brunnell also 35, Kerry collins will be 33 this year, Dilfer 33, Favre 36, Garcia 35, Warner 34. I'm not comparing talent just that all of this players are or could be starters in this league and are at least the same age that Bledsoe or older. He ain't the long term solution but a lot better than Testaverde and we didn't had a lot of option in free agency.

Ferguson (31)was brought to be the stuffing NT for teh 3-4 defense he still a force NYJ wanted to sign him back but could match Dallas offer he has been bangup the offseason but his back from those injuries and will play in week 1 he hasn't missed a game in the last 3 years and another comparison are Sam Adams a 12year player (32), Washington has 14 years (37). Ferguson will play if everything goes in place between 3-4 seasons.

Rivera is 33 and he is i nthe age where all Lineman are in top of his game he can play 5 more season he has been to the ProBowl the last couple of years he hasn't had major injuries untill the 1 he had the offseason but his recovered and back in the starting lineup he was brought not only for hsi playmaking abilities but to be a leader in the locker room and in the offense wich has lacking that.

Price is only 29 and he sign or will sign today a 1 year deal he's goign to be evaluated this season if he preformes well he will sign a longer deal he has at least 4 more years left in him.

All of this players where brought to perform and some of them are in their top of their game some at probowl level and they're borught also to be the core of a new group of developing players you can't just have rookies or players with less than 3 years of expirience in your team.

Also when you sign a FA you need to know if he will be able to perform for more then a year or the mayority of their contract Bledso sign a 4 year deal wich is really a 3 year deal, ferguson and rivera sign a 5 year contract if they play at top of their game for 3 years they where worth.

What you don't want to sign is NAME players who are at the last end of their carrer and won't help your team and also pay large amounts of signing bonus to this player because if they don't perform your cap will be hurt and you will have to drop good young players also.

That has been some of the problems Snyder has had with your team B.Smith, D.Sanders, Brunell to say some fiascos that come to mind. Those players where payed large amount of signing bonuses and didn't perform to the level they where paid.

The differense between Brunell and Bledso is tha the only cost us 4mill to bring in so if we drop him it won't hurt our cap as much as brunell will and he's your backup.

Not tryng to trash talk just explaining the difference in the signings thats all all of this are some what healthy signing if ferguson or rivera end up being bust that will hurt us next year they received a 9mill signing bonuses but this is based on the leve they have been playing the last couple of years and that they still and should perform at that leves for a few years.

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i wouldnt say that rivera is at the peak of his career at 33. also, just because ted washington has played till his age doesnt mean fergueson has "at least" 4 years left in him. many other factors will come into play here, especially injuries in their advancing age.

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Big C if you're going to "quote" me try to do it with something I acctually said. Because if you read the post it doesn't say that "ferguson has at least 4 years left to him" I said that about Peerles Price and also said about price is that they only sign him for 1 year to see if he still has it and don't sign him for a high signing bonus he needs to prove he can replace Terry Glen or KJ next year to resign.

What I said about ferguson is that he sign a 5 year deal and that "IF" him and rivera can play at top of their game for "3" years they are worth the SB.

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Dallas' front 7 never played 3-4 before. I doubt they "jelled" as a unit after 1 pre-season. Adding another average LB who never played 3-4 scheme isn't much of an upgrade IMO.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Bledsoe 33 is sign to be the starter at least for 2 season wich at his age 33 is still a good age, some examples Trent Green is 35 and still performs at a great level, Brunnell also 35, Kerry collins will be 33 this year, Dilfer 33, Favre 36, Garcia 35, Warner 34. I'm not comparing talent just that all of this players are or could be starters in this league and are at least the same age that Bledsoe or older. He ain't the long term solution but a lot better than Testaverde and we didn't had a lot of option in free agency.

Ferguson (31)was brought to be the stuffing NT for teh 3-4 defense he still a force NYJ wanted to sign him back but could match Dallas offer he has been bangup the offseason but his back from those injuries and will play in week 1 he hasn't missed a game in the last 3 years and another comparison are Sam Adams a 12year player (32), Washington has 14 years (37). Ferguson will play if everything goes in place between 3-4 seasons.

Rivera is 33 and he is i nthe age where all Lineman are in top of his game he can play 5 more season he has been to the ProBowl the last couple of years he hasn't had major injuries untill the 1 he had the offseason but his recovered and back in the starting lineup he was brought not only for hsi playmaking abilities but to be a leader in the locker room and in the offense wich has lacking that.

Price is only 29 and he sign or will sign today a 1 year deal he's goign to be evaluated this season if he preformes well he will sign a longer deal he has at least 4 more years left in him.

All of this players where brought to perform and some of them are in their top of their game some at probowl level and they're borught also to be the core of a new group of developing players you can't just have rookies or players with less than 3 years of expirience in your team.

Also when you sign a FA you need to know if he will be able to perform for more then a year or the mayority of their contract Bledso sign a 4 year deal wich is really a 3 year deal, ferguson and rivera sign a 5 year contract if they play at top of their game for 3 years they where worth.

What you don't want to sign is NAME players who are at the last end of their carrer and won't help your team and also pay large amounts of signing bonus to this player because if they don't perform your cap will be hurt and you will have to drop good young players also.

That has been some of the problems Snyder has had with your team B.Smith, D.Sanders, Brunell to say some fiascos that come to mind. Those players where payed large amount of signing bonuses and didn't perform to the level they where paid.

The differense between Brunell and Bledso is tha the only cost us 4mill to bring in so if we drop him it won't hurt our cap as much as brunell will and he's your backup.

Not tryng to trash talk just explaining the difference in the signings thats all all of this are some what healthy signing if ferguson or rivera end up being bust that will hurt us next year they received a 9mill signing bonuses but this is based on the leve they have been playing the last couple of years and that they still and should perform at that leves for a few years.[/QUOTE]

I think you may have slightly missed my intention here. Man how long did it take you to write all of that:)

The point I'm simply trying to make - especially with Bledsoe. He's taken a lot of hits and sacks. In fact, I think it was last year he tied for second most sacked in NFL history. Look it up. That's a lot of hits, my friend. And though he's 33 yrs old, in football years his body probably feels closer to 37-38. But no one can really answer that question better than Drew Bledsoe can.

Secondly, apart from the cap part of it - I was just stating that, again, in terms of age and time played in the NFL how many snaps does a Marco Rivera and Flozell Adams (who many in big D are not happy with), Ferguson have in them. They may come out have a fantastic season....but we'll see. Price is only 28, but at this point in his career is on the verge of being a journyman receiver?


Sept. 19 you better have your chin-straps on tight!!!

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[QUOTE=BossHog]Of course he's not as intense as MW. But stats don't lie. He's sound and doesn't make a lot of mistakes. :oink:[/QUOTE]

Ifeani Ohelete always put up good stats, was he a good pick up?