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Seeing as how a few have complained about today's game, I want to know this:

If you had a choice between two outcomes of today's game would have chosen us losing 45 - 42, or us winning 9 - 7 like we did today?

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Like we did today for one reason. Bears D is good, getting low points on them isn't too bad. But giving up 45 points to those fools would have really shown our D got worse.

But if you are saying basically our offense doing good and losing vs. Winning with an O.K offense. I would have to take a win simply because it is a win. My piece of mind isn't worth a game

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Or lose like the Nationals 9-7............... :laughing-

okay, okay, a win is a win is a win.......

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it's nice to score points and everything, but all it comes down too at the end of a day is scoring more than your opponent which the skins did today. I swear it's sounding like some people on various threads here are making it sound like we lost today. :confused:

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I'll take the win every time.
I really never thought our passing game would really get going until mid season so the score surprises me a little, but not that much. Twice we were knocking on the door but came up just a hair short. The fumble by Brown cost us a TD but we overcame it and got the W. I think Brunnel could have forced it in from the 1 yard line, but we had an opportunity to take the lead so we did. It was the right choice.

It could have (and should have) easily been 20 - 0.

Fix a couple of the mistakes and continue building timing with our WR's and we will be fine.

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i was encouraged today. We did have some big yard plays, but then discouraged by the turnovers and lack of TDs

I'd much rather be a 10-6 team with low scoring games than a 6-10 team sitting at home in January.

See less than 21 per game Baltimore in 2000. (12-4 team and Superbowl champs)

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There's no such thing as an RPI or coaches' poll or anything like that in the NFL. Wins are what get you in the playoffs, whether you win pretty or ugly

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The Skins won ugly today and unfortunately unless we win 45-0 not everyone is going to be happy, and some people are downright disappointed... after a WIN!

I think the main problem is that most of us really underestimated the Bears and overestimated the Redskins.

Today we saw more of the same from what we saw from the Redskins in the preseason. An offense that is showing signs of breaking out, they're moving the ball, running the ball well and making some big plays. The points are the last thing to be added to the equation, but they will come, I guarantee.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The Skins won ugly today and unfortunately unless we win 45-0 not everyone is going to be happy, and some people are downright disappointed... after a WIN!

I think the main problem is that most of us really underestimated the Bears and overestimated the Redskins.

Today we saw more of the same from what we saw from the Redskins in the preseason. An offense that is showing signs of breaking out, they're moving the ball, running the ball well and making some big plays. The points are the last thing to be added to the equation, but they will come, I guarantee.[/QUOTE]

Matty, I think some of us are frustrated because we continue to have problems scoring in the red zone that we saw all last year.......
but a "W" is nice, especially the game before Dallas...........

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I'm very happy with today's win. However, I think that a lot of people are less upset with how the game turned out than with what it bodes for the future. I think there are a lot of nervous hands on deck who fear a repeat of last year's offense.

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I think I was one of the "bitching" fans being referred to. Maybe some of us did have an unrealistic expectation for this game. Like I said in another post, I'd like to have a few weeks perspective to really know how good that D we faced today was. At this point, I'm not of the opinion that they were a top 10 defense. I just didn't see it. We struggled when we got into the red zone. That seems to be a left over concern from last year. I think the original question was something to the effect of would you rather win an ugly, close game or lose a shootout? I am glad we won, I just wasn't pleased with what I saw when we had the ball. I think I'm also irked by Ramsey not returning and it looking as though there is a convenient excuse to hand the keys to Brunell next week. I haven't heard a single vote of confidence or positive comment regarding Ramsey from a team source. We need STABILITY. Not changing QB's on the first day. And I know that there has been no word saying Brunell is now the starter, I just get the feeling that's what's going to happen...

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[QUOTE=monk81]Matty, I think some of us are frustrated because we continue to have problems scoring in the red zone that we saw all last year.......
but a "W" is nice, especially the game before Dallas...........[/QUOTE]

My frustration stems from the following, we barely beat a team at home starting a rookie quarterback. The Offense is yet again, inconsistent and unable to put up touchdowns. We have a quarterback controversy.

The last especially is bothersome, I saw enough of Mark Brunell last year to not want to see him start again. Gibbs has tipped his hand with how he managed the QBs. Ramsey was cleared to play, Gibbs stuck with Brunell, in the post game Gibbs praised Brunell, mute on Ramsey save focusing on how the 'team' has not learned their lesson regarding turnovers, although by team he really meant Ramsey and Brown.

Lastly in sports there is no greater way to regain the confidence of your teammates and the fans then to pick yourself up off the matt and make a comeback after being hurt. Even though I am not a NY Knicks fan, and it was before my time I know of Willis Reed coming out and playing hurt. If Gibbs thought anything of Ramsey he would have given him a chance on the first possesion after half-time, instead he stuck with his precious Brunell. With Brunell we will play not to loose, which almost always results in not winning, case in point the prevent defence. For myself this is why I am frustrated.

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A win is much better. Last year we learned alot and lost, this year I hope we win and have some tough wins. I want to win as we progress through the season. We may be singing a different tune next week in Dallas they look great....Ouch.

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I just watched the postgame news conference from Coach Gibbs. Brunell will start next week, just wait. FUCK.

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[QUOTE=DirtBagZ]My frustration stems from the following, we barely beat a team at home starting a rookie quarterback. The Offense is yet again, inconsistent and unable to put up touchdowns. We have a quarterback controversy.

The last especially is bothersome, I saw enough of Mark Brunell last year to not want to see him start again. Gibbs has tipped his hand with how he managed the QBs. Ramsey was cleared to play, Gibbs stuck with Brunell, in the post game Gibbs praised Brunell, mute on Ramsey save focusing on how the 'team' has not learned their lesson regarding turnovers, although by team he really meant Ramsey and Brown.

Lastly in sports there is no greater way to regain the confidence of your teammates and the fans then to pick yourself up off the matt and make a comeback after being hurt. Even though I am not a NY Knicks fan, and it was before my time I know of Willis Reed coming out and playing hurt. If Gibbs thought anything of Ramsey he would have given him a chance on the first possesion after half-time, instead he stuck with his precious Brunell. With Brunell we will play not to loose, which almost always results in not winning, case in point the prevent defence. For myself this is why I am frustrated.[/QUOTE]


I agree that some teams we simply aren't going to be able to beat simply by getting Field Goals, no matter how well the offense moves.

However, the Bears are one of those teams we can-and did-beat with only field goals. Plus, no matter how much the offense improves this year the defense is the best part of this team and when in doubt the game will and should be put in their hands.

Also, Ramsey had a neck injury and may have suffered a concussion. Personally, I believe that with injuries like that no matter how the player says he feels you don't bring him back in that game. Let him take the rest of the day off then reassess the next day. Those injuries are too serious to risk further damage.

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neck muscle injuries usually resurface with tenacity the day after and re-straining it would only delay his return. Gibbs said when asked that he would have to asess the injury situation before making a decision on the QB for dallas. I'm really pulling for ramsey, but either way, I think we can get it done.

I'm not too worried about the offense. The one pass from brunell in the endzone was just short, but cooley beat the coverage and had to adjust for the ball. The other was a horrible call where cooley was being bear hugged in the endzone and got penalized for breaking free and catching the ball. I don't mind a couple of mistakes by officials, but how many times do we get points called back for rediculous calls. Its hard enough to beat the other team, but I swear to god we have the best team in the league, because when we win, we have to beat ourselves and the refs.

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I'd also take a win every time, maybe we can have the D score some time soon.

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Let's say Ramsey's neck is stiff all week, Brunell SHOULD get the start at Dallas.

I'm not sure what you guys were watching, but that was a nasty clothesline and Ramsey's head bounced off the ground.

But the conspiracy theorists will insist this is Gibbs hating on Ramsey and putting his boy Brunell in there.

I'm hoping Ramsey will be healthy enough to start, but I wouldn't be surprised if he can't go. That wasn't your typical take a hard shot, shake it off and go back in.

If anyone has ever had your neck snapped in a car wreck you can relate just how painful that can be.

Sure Ramsey himself said he was ok, that's not surprising, we all know how tough he is. Gibbs said the Dr.'s had some doubts, Brunell was playing well so he left him in there.

When you have two quality QBs you can have that luxury, and we should be thankful for it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Let's say Ramsey's neck is stiff all week, Brunell SHOULD get the start at Dallas.

I'm not sure what you guys were watching, but that was a nasty clothesline and Ramsey's head bounced off the ground.

But the conspiracy theorists will insist this is Gibbs hating on Ramsey and putting his boy Brunell in there.

I'm hoping Ramsey will be healthy enough to start, but I wouldn't be surprised if he can't go. That wasn't your typical take a hard shot, shake it off and go back in.

If anyone has ever had your neck snapped in a car wreck you can relate just how painful that can be.

Sure Ramsey himself said he was ok, that's not surprising, we all know how tough he is. Gibbs said the Dr.'s had some doubts, Brunell was playing well so he left him in there.

When you have two quality QBs you can have that luxury, and we should be thankful for it.[/QUOTE]

Thats basically what I was trying to say with my post. Sometimes you'll feel better initially, but then in a day or two, you can't move. Why take a chance and hurt him anymore. We got the win.

Also, everyone is up in arms because of the gibbs press conference... and I don't really understand it. He did say that he would have to evaluate the injury situation on tuesday before he made a decision. To me, that sounds like as long as ramsey feels better, he'll go back in.

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I suppose we should also perhaps consider that Gibbs is playing mindgames with Dallas. Not that the Cowboy have to gameplan all that differently for Brunell and Ramsey. But still, it could be that Gibbs is implying Brunell is the starter so that's what the Cowboys prepare for. Just a thought

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I suppose we should also perhaps consider that Gibbs is playing mindgames with Dallas. Not that the Cowboy have to gameplan all that differently for Brunell and Ramsey. But still, it could be that Gibbs is implying Brunell is the starter so that's what the Cowboys prepare for. Just a thought[/QUOTE]

Good thought...kind of Belichecky.

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If we can cut down on turnovers and penelties we'd be just fine. I also am curious if we can punch it into the endzone. We really moved the ball well through the air. I also question how much of the playbook was saved for Dallas.

It was a bit worrysome how little pressure we got on that rookie QB.

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Always, always, always go with the win. And having a serious D is a big deal--they've even improved, as they said they would, in forcing TOs.

Still, I can't be pleased with a team that doesn't score even ONE touchdown. Come on. There are no excuses here. Neither Ramsey nor Brunnell gots us in there. That's on Gibbs and his offensive staff. And if that isn't fixed, we're in trouble.

As for TOs, they'll kill ya every time. I haven't looked yet, but my guess is this week, as in every week, the TO ratio pretty well tracks who won the game. Only as great O or D can overcome that.

And we had some very costly penalties--and weird ones at that. Offensive PI??? Illegal chop bock ON THE KICKING TEAM??? Please stop.

Should Antonio Brown be on the field? I am not sure he should. That was a potential game-losing TO at the start of the 2nd half. He can't catch and now he can't return. WTF?

I'll take the win every time--but we need work. As an old soccer coach of mine us to say (and CRT knows what I'm talking about here ;) )--Lose, analyze. Win, Criticize.

That's the way to get better. I know that this is what Gibbs does. So there's hope. And we're 1-0. And we didn't blow a home game to a (realtively) weak opponent. Given our tough early schedule, we needed this one.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]Thats basically what I was trying to say with my post. Sometimes you'll feel better initially, but then in a day or two, you can't move. Why take a chance and hurt him anymore. We got the win.

Also, everyone is up in arms because of the gibbs press conference... and I don't really understand it. He did say that he would have to evaluate the injury situation on tuesday before he made a decision. To me, that sounds like as long as ramsey feels better, he'll go back in.[/QUOTE]

Naw, not exactly.....those were his words, but definitely not his tone and body language. Yeah, he said we'll see how "everybody heals up and go from there"......but it was what he didn't say is what has everyone scratching their heads.

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Yeah, like anything positive about Ramsey.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]Yeah, like anything positive about Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]Yeah, like anything positive about Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

well he did only get to see Ramsey play for about a quarter and a half with a badly over thrown int during that time. Ramsey needs to get his neck worked on all this week, but if it's still pretty sore or stiff, he can't be on the field and fuction at the level the team needs him to be. If I were Gibbs I would have atleast said something about the brutalness of the hit and lack of a call even though that might bring him a fine.

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A win is a win, but BARELY being able to beat a team that might go 4-12 is fairly disappointing, unless you expect another 6-10 season.

And i'm still for starting ramsey next week assuming his neck is okay.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]well he did only get to see Ramsey play for about a quarter and a half with a badly over thrown int during that time. Ramsey needs to get his neck worked on all this week, but if it's still pretty sore or stiff, he can't be on the field and fuction at the level the team needs him to be. If I were Gibbs I would have atleast said something about the brutalness of the hit and lack of a call even though that might bring him a fine.[/QUOTE]

he did in post game, said he didn't see how it wasn't an illegal hit.

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Remember folks, we BEARly beat the Bears because we gave them the ball around our 20 yard line. That's tough for any defense.

Could have been easily 12-0!

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]Always, always, always go with the win. And having a serious D is a big deal--they've even improved, as they said they would, in forcing TOs.

Still, I can't be pleased with a team that doesn't score even ONE touchdown. Come on. There are no excuses here. Neither Ramsey nor Brunnell gots us in there. That's on Gibbs and his offensive staff. And if that isn't fixed, we're in trouble.

As for TOs, they'll kill ya every time. I haven't looked yet, but my guess is this week, as in every week, the TO ratio pretty well tracks who won the game. Only as great O or D can overcome that.

And we had some very costly penalties--and weird ones at that. Offensive PI??? Illegal chop bock ON THE KICKING TEAM??? Please stop.

Should Antonio Brown be on the field? I am not sure he should. That was a potential game-losing TO at the start of the 2nd half. He can't catch and now he can't return. WTF?

I'll take the win every time--but we need work. As an old soccer coach of mine us to say (and CRT knows what I'm talking about here ;) )--Lose, analyze. Win, Criticize.

That's the way to get better. I know that this is what Gibbs does. So there's hope. And we're 1-0. And we didn't blow a home game to a (realtively) weak opponent. Given our tough early schedule, we needed this one.[/QUOTE]

I would bet Antonio is inactive for next weeks game and either Moss, Jacobs, or Thrash will take over the PR and KR duties.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Remember folks, we BEARly beat the Bears because we gave them the ball around our 20 yard line. That's tough for any defense.

Could have been easily 12-0![/QUOTE]

Exactly, the BEARS were NEVER a real threat until we turned it over inside the 20. Other than that sequence, they did not threaten to score. This game really wasn't that close and you take away the turnovers and this becomes a dominant performance.

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Anybody notice how Betts was in there on returns right away after the fumble by Brown?

I actually like Betts on returns, kinda give us that Brian Mitchell type of return man, a physical guy who slams it up in there and runs north and south rather than dancing around.

Brown better shape up, or he's going to be outta there pretty quick. Turning the ball over on special teams is a huge no-no in Gibbs' book.

I'd go with Betts and Thrash on kickoffs, and give the PR job to Thrash if Brown screws up again.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Anybody notice how Betts was in there on returns right away after the fumble by Brown?

I actually like Betts on returns, kinda give us that Brian Mitchell type of return man, a physical guy who slams it up in there and runs north and south rather than dancing around.

Brown better shape up, or he's going to be outta there pretty quick. Turning the ball over on special teams is a huge no-no in Gibbs' book.

I'd go with Betts and Thrash on kickoffs, and give the PR job to Thrash if Brown screws up again.[/QUOTE]

Brown is north south too and really fast, but that's his second return fumble since he's been here, and he never fair catches even with people in his face (well, he finally did today, in the baltimore game he refused to though).

I wish betts was faster, but he can break tackles.

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Brown seems like a good guy,hard worker, and he had a good camp up until the 4th game, but that is it. He had a fumble last year that cost us a game, a fumble this year that could have very easily cost us the game, he is a liability on offense, and he is one dimensional has a runner, i.e. he is fast, thats it, he can't break tackles. ... how many chances will this guy get?

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You're right; it's great to be 1-0.

The key for the Dallas game will be for Brunell (for better or worse, we're stuck with him for now) to repeat the performance he had against them on Monday Night last year.

The Cowboys scored nothing but touchdowns yesterday, so we'll need a few ourselves.

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I'm really not too worried about Dallas's offense. I AM concerned that Bledsoe spread the ball around however. I think something like 5-6 receivers caught a ball or more.

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I am confident Jones will get shut down and that we'll put pressure on Bledsoe, but I just feel if our D has a weak spot at all, it's against the short pass.

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i was suprised in some of our goal line situations, we didn't see nehemiah broughton or rock cartwright. i thought that was what they are here for, to get the short yardage.

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Just win baby.