extremeskins chat with Joe Gibbs
 

They're choosing to avoid discussing the QB switch which I think is very lame.

Anyway, here's the link

[url="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113583"]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113583[/url]

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I really doubt there is nothing Joe can say that will shed any more light on the switch.

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[QUOTE=gortiz]I really doubt there is nothing Joe can say that will shed any more light on the switch.[/QUOTE]

True, but it's still a relevant issue to at least ask him once IMO.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]They're choosing to avoid discussing the QB switch which I think is very lame.

Anyway, here's the link

[url="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113583"]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113583[/url][/QUOTE]
Of course they are avoiding the issue. Why would the "official" forum of the Redskins put the coach in a bad position?

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Of course they are avoiding the issue. Why would the "official" forum of the Redskins put the coach in a bad position?[/QUOTE]

And that's another reason they should have addressed it with him.

The fact that they're avoiding it makes it seem like they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]They're choosing to avoid discussing the QB switch which I think is very lame.

Anyway, here's the link

[url="http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113583"]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113583[/url][/QUOTE]
Lets be honest though. This is obviuously exactly what everyone thought would happen when this deal went down. If they're not free to ask about it then what the hell good is the whole deal? Either they have no editorial control or they do. Don't act like they don't and then prove different. They can give all the reasons they want for not asking but it is clearly the most pressing issue of the day and if they don't allow questions about it then they are ignoring the biggest issue facing the team. That is ridiculous. Even if he does just give a pat answer then at least the question was asked and the opportunity offered to shed some light. If it never gets asked then we know for sure we wont get answers. It seems like maybe the motivation is more along the lines of we won't ask so we don't piss him off and that is very lame. He is aprofesional and I would bet he would find it odd that no questions about the Qb are even asked.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]And that's another reason they should have addressed it with him.

The fact that they're avoiding it makes it seem like they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them.[/QUOTE]
Exactly.
There should be no editing of the list of questions beyond choosing which questions will address the most pressing issues presented in the entire group of questions. Ignoring a bunch to dodge an issue seems fishy. Real fishy.

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I thought of some questions but I decided not to send them in since I know what his answers will be. :biggthump

What a lame ass excuse!

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To be fair to ES, I'd be conflicted if I were in their shoes as well.

If I were interviewing Gibbs, would I want to ruffle his feathers? Probably not.

Regardless, this is the quandary ES is stuck with. Anytime something like this happens, people are going to assume it's because of their ties with the team.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]To be fair to ES, I'd be conflicted if I were in their shoes as well.

If I were interviewing Gibbs, would I want to ruffle his feathers? Probably not.

Regardless, this is the quandary ES is stuck with. Anytime something like this happens, people are going to assume it's because of their ties with the team.[/QUOTE]
I am not worried about ruffling feathers honestly. The guy is a profesional football coach and I think his skin is thick enough to handle it appropriately. Plus he is always extolling the virtues of the "greatest fans in the league". I'd think he'd be at least receptive to hearing opinions and answering questions. Not that he'd parse any advice from such conversations but I think he'd at least humor us. He knew it was going to be an unpopular decision so I assume he'd be prepared to answer such questions. I don't know it just seems like by having the association they SHOULD be able to ask questions like that without worrying about repercussions. Whereas if thewarpath secured such an interview I can see why we'd want to softball the whole thing so as to keep him coming back. Not that a bragae of "you're an idiot! why did bench ramsey?" questions should be offered but the situation without a doubt deserves at least a reasoned question or two. Seems silly to ignore it.

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I think it was a good call to not mention this mess the media and fans have made "THE SWITCH" to be.

Let the man game plan in peace! While he was doing that he was deciding to use the flea flicker or the double pass.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]To be fair to ES, I'd be conflicted if I were in their shoes as well.

If I were interviewing Gibbs, would I want to ruffle his feathers? Probably not.

Regardless, this is the quandary ES is stuck with. Anytime something like this happens, people are going to assume it's because of their ties with the team.[/QUOTE]

either you're serving your base (fans) by doing your job, or you're hanging it up to become just another part of the skins media machine, that's that.

I think its a huge disservice to talk out of one side of their mouth about the "real story" and "the true fan perspective" and then deliver the same rehashed, canned PR-crap.

If there's a quandry then they shouldn't even be attempting this in the first place.

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Nothing really too extreme with that interview! ;)

Like I said, if I had Gibbs on the phone while I'd hesitant to ask him a tough question, in the end it has to be done if you're going to do this sort of thing.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]either you're serving your base (fans) by doing your job, or you're hanging it up to become just another part of the skins media machine, that's that.

I think its a huge disservice to talk out of one side of their mouth about the "real story" and "the true fan perspective" and then deliver the same rehashed, canned PR-crap.

If there's a quandry then they shouldn't even be attempting this in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Idealistic but not realistic.

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I'd be curious to know if redskins.com would have posted that Extremeskins Fans View column if it had said something along the lines of "What was Gibbs thinking when he sat Ramsey down? I hesitate to say it, but the game ma have passed him by. Not only that, but he's lying to people too. And don't compare the QB situation to a KR being cut"

My guess is we won't see that sort of column

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My concern in that extremeskins is self editing without even attempting to be straight foward and open. At least give it a shot. If the Skins come down on it then you really know how it is going to play out. Otherwise whats the point of saying the skins are not retaining editorial control when in fact they are retaining defacto cotrol because extremeskins is too scared to even try to push the envelope.

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My personal opinion is that they do have total control over content. I honestly do not think that they are influenced by the Redskins regarding articles and or interviews.

That being said, as FRPLG stated, they could be hesitant to really push the envelope for a variety of reasons.

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SHould have had a question about it--the mods there control the questions, so they could have picked one that asked in a respectful way for Gibbs to speak to the issue. And my guess is Gibbs would want a chance to re-assure the fans that he understands the difficulty some are having with this, that it was done to win, and that PR is still in the mix, etc.

Kinda the 900 pound gorilla in the room, IMO. Made the chat seem way too light-weight, IMO.

But I was very surprised that Gibbs did the chat now--why not next week during the bye? Gibbs is way too busy now, given his work habits and his nerves about the Dallas game.

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if its all ssugar coating and self censored, why even get the fans involved at all? it seems pretty pointless... the media asks him tougher questions everyday and callers on his shows ask him tougher questions every week and he has NO problem or trouble answering them. He's not 5 or emotionally fragile, and if you don't want to be mariginalized fluff, you've got to be realistic, its not like its an idea from left field. Ask about current events.

Its not idealistic, its basic journalistic integrity and they have none. There's hundreds of media that interact with joe every year that have no problem with this, and none of them have access revoked for asking reasonable questions, and none of them have had trouble getting gibbs to talk to them the next day.

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Matt --- I believe the appropriate terms is


FILTERED. ES is filtered now.

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I'm sort of surprised that they didn't ask him a question about Ramsey in a very diplomatic fashion in order to give him a chance to speak directly to the fans who are concerned with the switch. Maybe they were thinking he already addressed the issue in the press conference?

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[QUOTE=PennSkinsFanhR]Matt --- I believe the appropriate terms is FILTERED. ES is filtered now.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Filtered! That's what it seemed like to me.

What irony!

Anyway, my response at ES (perhaps a bit too harsh) was as follows:

1. I learned nothing that I hadn't heard him say on other sites. For me, it was total rhetoric and very boring.
2. Most of the questions that were asked were not at all insightful. (My question was very insightful, and did not get asked, even though it had nothing to do with the QB situation. But I understand not all questions can be asked.) In any case, I'm glad I didn't follow it live, cause it was better for me to make a very quick and cursory review. I mean, if you're only going to lob the soft pitches - why have him on at all? Bring in people who are willing to face the tough questions.
3. Are you kidding me: Hit the refresh button repeatedly? Why not some sort of instant messenger? Why not streaming audio? Or, better yet, streaming video. I'm sorry but I gave up on the refresh button 5 minutes into the Snyder "chat", so I wasn't about to follow the Gibbs "chat" live. Glad I learned my lesson a couple of weeks ago.

In any case, thank you for your time and effort.

[url]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114716&page=2&pp=40[/url]

Hope I don't get banned. :Flush:

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The question about Brunell's injury last year and the way he looked in the pre-season was enough for me about the QB issue. I really don't want the Coach to be badgered about it. That 1 question provided enough info I wanted to know about in that issue.

There were some good questions chosen, and there were some pointless questions chosen. I really wish they would have chosen a question about the kick return vacation and the need for one. I had hoped they would have chosen the one that asked him about Brian Mitchell.

Overall, I think they decided to put the Sports Reporters/substance aproach aside and go for the "Acess Hollywood" / "Entertainment Tonight" type of approach. It seemed to have more entertainment and less football substance/ less information than hoped for.

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[QUOTE=Joe Knows...]
Overall, I think they decided to put the Sports Reporters/substance aproach aside and go for the "Acess Hollywood" / "Entertainment Tonight" type of approach. It seemed to have more entertainment and less football substance/ less information than hoped for.[/QUOTE]

well, they weren't informative, and they also weren't entertaining, so....

why can't their "live" chats at leat have the basic functionality of the esspn live chats?

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Our Cooley "chat" was so much better--of course, Cooley is generally going to be more fun than a nervous coach getting ready for Dallas.

I'd love to see a Gregg Williams chat, btw.

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]
I'd love to see a Gregg Williams chat, btw.[/QUOTE]

That's next on their list right after the Portis chat. I think it's 2 or 3 weeks from now. I garuntee you he's going to get a lot of questions asking if he would stick around long enough to be the next head coach of the Redskins when Joe Gibbs decides it's time to move on again.

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[QUOTE=Joe Knows...]That's next on their list right after the Portis chat. I think it's 2 or 3 weeks from now. I garuntee you he's going to get a lot of questions asking if he would stick around long enough to be the next head coach of the Redskins when Joe Gibbs decides it's time to move on again.[/QUOTE]

Funny thing is, Williams has already been asked that same question several times by the press, and he's always said he intends to be here for a long time. Of course, every time something big happens in the organization (like the QB switch, for instance) people want to know whether Williams's feelings about sticking around have changed. It will certainly be interesting to see what Williams decides to do after the season if his defense remains among the league's elite, while the offense continues to flounder.

I've never met anyone like Gregg Williams. He's a unique individual with unique talents, and I hope that he stays with the organization for many years. But I can't see him remaining loyal to the organization if the team doesn't start winning a lot more games. That means Gibbs and his offense must start producing more yards, more time of possession and most importantly: more points. The length of Williams's tenure here will be directly related to how successful Gibbs is over the next few months.

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[QUOTE=joecrisp]Funny thing is, Williams has already been asked that same question several times by the press, and he's always said he intends to be here for a long time. Of course, every time something big happens in the organization (like the QB switch, for instance) people want to know whether Williams's feelings about sticking around have changed. It will certainly be interesting to see what Williams decides to do after the season if his defense remains among the league's elite, while the offense continues to flounder.

I've never met anyone like Gregg Williams. He's a unique individual with unique talents, and I hope that he stays with the organization for many years. But I can't see him remaining loyal to the organization if the team doesn't start winning a lot more games. That means Gibbs and his offense must start producing more yards, more time of possession and most importantly: more points. The length of Williams's tenure here will be directly related to how successful Gibbs is over the next few months.[/QUOTE]

AHHHHH....but this is where Snyder come in......if Williams is paid as much as other HEAD coaches make, even though he's an assistant, he's gonna stick around for a while knowing that he's being monetarily rewarded....of course, there is a point when he will want an opportunity to be a head coach again...I just hope he's content to stick around until Gibbs retires, then become the head man.....

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Of course they are avoiding the issue. Why would the "official" forum of the Redskins put the coach in a bad position?[/QUOTE]

Hey buddy... since you like trashing Extreme...

Do you mind talking about Chris Cooley's affair with a cheerleader in your next Cooley chat? And any other cheerleaders he's banging....

Love to hear about that... let's see if you guys have some balls.

Re: extremeskins chat with Joe Gibbs
 

[QUOTE=JWsleep]Our Cooley "chat" was so much better--of course, Cooley is generally going to be more fun than a nervous coach getting ready for Dallas.

I'd love to see a Gregg Williams chat, btw.[/QUOTE]

Greg Williams chat right here... with audio:

[url]http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117361[/url]

We've had Cerrato, Snyder, Portis, Gibbs and now Williams.... all great interviews with the possible exception of Gibbs... who, quite frankly... isn't exactly the most informative or most forthcoming interviewee in Redskins Park (you know, the guy IS know to hold secretive practices at High Schools and bar the media from practices because he doesn't want to reveal anything) - so to expect him to offer an explanation into his QB change is ridiculous.

But if you want to hang your hat on a Cooley chat forever.... that's cool too.

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[QUOTE=extremeskins]But if you want to hang your hat on a Cooley chat forever.... that's cool too.[/QUOTE]
Ummm.. I don't think he was "hanging his hat" on the one interview. He simply stated his opinion that the Cooley discussion was more informative than the Gibbs chat. It's hard to argue with the statement but it is just an opinion. Exactly what is your point in being here and why now are coming here and bringing up issues from weeks ago? If you have a beef just state it rather than flaming. Then we can discuss the issues.

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[QUOTE=extremeskins]so to expect him to offer an explanation into his QB change is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone here said they expected him to answer the question but many of us felt it was ridiculous to simply avoid asking the question. Who ever heard of a journalist simply not asking a question becasue he thought he knew the answer or knew that the interviewee wouldn't answer? It ridiculous and honestly a little embarassing for you all. If you all don't want to seem in their pocket I would suggest not avoiding controversial issues in your future chats for any reason. Especially lame ones.

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Extreme -

I am not a mod for this site and can only speak for myself. I enjoy warpath, I tried extremeskins a few times and found the site interesting with lots of good content. I also found that I had to sift through tons of less than good content and the various avatars and sigs to be a huge distraction and the color scheme to be bearable for only a short time.

The Skins picked your site to meld into their own. Congratulations. I should hope that as part of the deal you should get the best "chats" possible, if only from an access point. At the same time, avoiding the key QB issues when they are hot did seem to be playing right into the "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" concerns that were voiced by many, many Skins fans who visit more than just one site (including many of your own regulars). I am sure you have a reason for it - but, the whole "we are going to avoid QB questions" seemed to be directly contradictory to the whole purpose of having a fan website serve as the access point to the Skins hierarchy. As for the Cooley chat here, the cheerleader issue came up AFTER our chat with him or, trust me, their WOULD have been questions!

In my opionion, we are a smaller site and to a certain degree have to take what we can get when it comes to inside info. Previously, one of own (JoeCrisp) had been given press passes and given us inside reports. About the same time the Skins merge with Extremeskins, our guy gets his access taken away. Because of that, we have a tendency to be a bit defensive about our site and, perhaps, a little envious of/angry at the access given to extremeskins - which seemed to come at the expense of other fan sites.

Our mods don't go to your site and spit on it and, while maybe some random member may have, I doubt that any of our loyalists did. So, if we want to gripe and thump our chests on our OWN site, why should that be of any concern to you? If you want to trash the warpath, go do it on your own site.

We may be small here but we have a loyal, knowledgeable following who appreciate the different content and feel of this site. There really is no need for you to come in here and shit on us for feeling good about ourselves.

You have your style and it works well for you. Good luck with it and thank you for the good stuff you do post.

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great responses FRPLG and JoeRedskin...now let's all just get along

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions... but I actually think it's quite funny that ES are getting their feathers ruffled by little ol' us.

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[QUOTE=extremeskins]Hey buddy... since you like trashing Extreme...

Do you mind talking about Chris Cooley's affair with a cheerleader in your next Cooley chat? And any other cheerleaders he's banging....

Love to hear about that... let's see if you guys have some balls.[/QUOTE]

Somebody is a little testy, huh?

Your own members had some very strong opinions regarding the Gibbs chat, and some of us here did as well.

Some of us felt you guys dropped the ball a bit... that's all. It's not the end of the world, and it certainly didn't warrant your condescending remarks.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Somebody is a little testy, huh?

Your own members had some very strong opinions regarding the Gibbs chat, and some of us here did as well.

Some of us felt you guys dropped the ball a bit... that's all. It's not the end of the world, and it certainly didn't warrant your condescending remarks.[/QUOTE]

Nice response Matt. Its actually funny. the smaller, independent fan sites that promote real honest to goodness unfiltered info and discussion, and we are a threat? You know it gets old hearing that we should all just be redskins fans and get along. The only one not taking that advice is ES. Come on folks, lets just cooperate. We are proud of what he have at hR and I can attest to the great site Matt has right here! Bottom line is, we love this franchise. Were not competing with ES, we don't want to, we just wanna do our thing. With ES you get the opfficial word. With theWarpath and hR, you get great discuussion, honest evaluations, and point blank commentary. Let's just get along ES!

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[QUOTE=PennSkinsFanhR]Nice response Matt. Its actually funny. the smaller, independent fan sites that promote real honest to goodness unfiltered info and discussion, and we are a threat? You know it gets old hearing that we should all just be redskins fans and get along. The only one not taking that advice is ES. Come on folks, lets just cooperate. We are proud of what he have at hR and I can attest to the great site Matt has right here! Bottom line is, we love this franchise. Were not competing with ES, we don't want to, we just wanna do our thing. With ES you get the opfficial word. With theWarpath and hR, you get great discuussion, honest evaluations, and point blank commentary. Let's just get along ES![/QUOTE]
Amen