Will Gibbs Open Up the Offense Now?
 

After witnessing the playmaking abilities (and flat out speed) of Santana Moss, will Joe Gibbs open up the offensive playbook a little more? I always thought that the more important controversy than "Ramsey v. Brunell" was "Conservative Offense v. Taking some shots downfield." Neither quarterback was going to look good throwing 3 yard passes.

I just hope that after seeing what th team is capable of, Joe Gibbs will start to trust his offensive players a little more. A few big passing plays will open up the run and put points on the board. Our D will keep us in games. The big plays will win them.

What do you think? Will the last few minutes of this game change the coach's perspective?

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you know what, frankly i can't tell if its Gibb's (Jack Burns) playcalling or Brunell's absolute fear of throwing downfield unless there 20ft of separation or its late in the 4th quarter. i refuse to believe that Portis and the short routes are the first reads in the plays given to him.

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I certainly understand why Gibbs wants to grind out games. We have an excellent defense and, at least in theory, we should have a good running game. But, I pray that Gibbs will open up the offense and go downfield before the end of the fourth quarter

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[QUOTE=illdefined]you know what, frankly i can't tell if its Gibb's (Jack Burns) playcalling or Brunell's absolute fear of throwing downfield unless there 20ft of separation or its late in the 4th quarter. i refuse to believe that Portis and the short routes are the first reads in the plays given to him.[/QUOTE]
Obviously I don't think that the first read is always a dump off to Portis or anything, but I have seen too many 2 yard hitches. I agree with the fact that with our D we don't need to run the no-huddle shotgun or anything, but we need to take our shots downfield just to keep the defenses honest and to actually put up some points.

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The last few minutes has instinctly replaced the fear of self-doubt among the players and coaching staff. The confidence in what they can accomplish starts with wins like last night. To see Parcells call the flee flicker against a man who made the flee flicker famous was embarassing at the least. I did think there would be more opportunities down field but there simply wasn't enough time for Brunell. When there was, he made the right decision. Not only will there be more playcalling involving Moss but Thrash will definitely be apart of that scheme. Cooley and Royal will continue to make big third down plays when the running game is stagnant. Brunell has certainly won the confidence of Gibbs after this win, and I'm sure that will play a major role in the deep pass.

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We have to put more pressure on the opposing qb. What is up with our pass rush? Also our O-line needs to pass block much better. If Brunell doesn't get better protection, it will be in wild card Ramsey's hands.

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc]We have to put more pressure on the opposing qb. What is up with our pass rush? Also our O-line needs to pass block much better. If Brunell doesn't get better with their protection, it will be in wild card Ramsey's hands.[/QUOTE]

I'll tell you what's wrong with it. Lavar Arrington missing is action. He's just not moving with the aggression and strength he used to possess. I don't think he has healed completely and as become a little disenchanted with his lack of play in Williams' defensive packages. Well, if he doesn't become an effective pass rusher, he can hang it up as far as being a pivtol part of this defense.

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I agree Sunra, but Lavar was barely playing last night. He will use this bye week to heal and get stronger and hopefully play with mad aggression from here on-out.

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I just want to see Portis used better. I really thought our first few drives of the game, Portis was grinding it out, doing a good job. Then we just started sending up him the middle, and I thought he started to struggle. Then the team started to struggle and we went to the pass.

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[QUOTE=Theismann's Good Leg]After witnessing the playmaking abilities (and flat out speed) of Santana Moss, will Joe Gibbs open up the offensive playbook a little more? I always thought that the more important controversy than "Ramsey v. Brunell" was "Conservative Offense v. Taking some shots downfield." Neither quarterback was going to look good throwing 3 yard passes.[/QUOTE]

You hit the nail on the head. Every one wants to argue about the wich QB is worse, but the fact of the matter is that it's not the QBs that look bad. It's because they never take any good shots down field. And when you never stretch the field, it allows the defense to keep every thing right in front of them and even stack the line of scrimmage. Wich means no running game, and more pressure on the QB.

I hope this would convince Coach to open it up, and I believe it will. I think this WILL launch us into the regular season, and our team will perform much better because now they are united and gained a lot of confidence with that miricle win.

Brunell's mobility is also also a added bonus.

I would also like to see them get another Wide Reciever and use some spread formations so Clinton can have more instant lanes to run. If they pass in a spread formation, that will back DBs off, and it will spread the defense out. And when the run out of that formation, Clinton will be able to use his best attributes to our advantage, wich is his speed, shiftiness, and vision. He's not a grinder, he's a speedster. You can't use that amazing speed grinding between the tackles.

The offense definately needs to be opened up more.

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I will say it looked like their was a sense of desperation on Gibb's part with input on the play calling. It did look rather hopeless I'm just sorry I turned the game off with about 6:00 minutes to go. Note to Redskins o-line: Just Block!!! It was so great to see them play with heart and not just going through the motions like it is just another incosequential game. When you win in your division, it's great. When you beat dallas it's awesomely great!

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Let's hope that Brunell can be like a left handed Favre. It's all about heart and smarts

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You hit the nail as well!!! if they utilize the passing game it will give way to the running game as well and not be so predictable giving Portis more of a chance to run the ball more efficently and work in the play action pass as well!!!!
Still Laughing and on a high!!
Hail to the Redskins
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[QUOTE=Theismann's Good Leg]After witnessing the playmaking abilities (and flat out speed) of Santana Moss, will Joe Gibbs open up the offensive playbook a little more? I always thought that the more important controversy than "Ramsey v. Brunell" was "Conservative Offense v. Taking some shots downfield." Neither quarterback was going to look good throwing 3 yard passes.

I just hope that after seeing what th team is capable of, Joe Gibbs will start to trust his offensive players a little more. A few big passing plays will open up the run and put points on the board. Our D will keep us in games. The big plays will win them.

What do you think? Will the last few minutes of this game change the coach's perspective?[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board! That's a hell of a username

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So, that hit that tayler made was it a fumble? If so why does it seem that we always have strange forces constantly against us? Hopefully we can get back in control of things like we use to do back in the day.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Welcome to the board! That's a hell of a username[/QUOTE]

I agree, that's one of the best I've seen in a while.

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc]Let's hope that Brunell can be like a left handed Favre. It's all about heart and smarts[/QUOTE]


I don't know, Fav ruh isn't doing too well. I think he's burnt out.

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we took shot's down the field, but we didn't connect. besides, it's hard to run fly patterns with your qb either on his back or running for his life.i believe we took another step of progression for our offense. is it there yet ? no, but we are heading in the right direction.guys. can i say it, we BEAT dallas.thanks . i needed that

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The Cowboys were blitzing like mad, and were aggressive getting into the backfield all game. I think we never used that against them with quick screens like the Patriots do so well. I think Gibbs hopefully will take this week and really reexamine the offense, and spread the field more taking risks.


The other thing is how many times are the Cowboys going to score on us with these shitty trick plays.

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[QUOTE=STPainmaker]The Cowboys were blitzing like mad, and were aggressive getting into the backfield all game. I think we never used that against them with quick screens like the Patriots do so well. I think Gibbs hopefully will take this week and really reexamine the offense, and spread the field more taking risks. [/QUOTE]

ugh no more WR screens, please.

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We're taking shots downfield way more than last year. With our d and portis there's no need to open it up like "the greatest show on turf". I do think a little more agression on first down is needed and I wish they would simply move the pocket on every play since that seems to work pretty well but I can't complain about the number of shots downfield. They have had like 8 in the first two games. I think we had 8 last year. Our intermediate routes need a little fine tuning maybe in design and/or execution. Guys should be able to get open based on the design but they don't seem to be getting open consistently so is it the execution of the desion or the design? Or are the QBs simply missing them? Brunell had some hideous throws during the pokes game. A couple real head scratchers. How many times did I say to myself "Where the hell was that thrown to?"

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[QUOTE=illdefined]ugh no more WR screens, please.[/QUOTE]

Not WR screens RB screens which if you watch the Eagles, Pats, and Colts all use these effectively against the Blitz. Not slow going either rapidly developing screens.

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A team won't stop coming after you if you don't make them pay once in a while.

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[QUOTE=4mrusmc]We have to put more pressure on the opposing qb. What is up with our pass rush? Also our O-line needs to pass block much better. If Brunell doesn't get better protection, it will be in wild card Ramsey's hands.[/QUOTE]

We do need to put more pressure, but Parcells was smart to line up 3 & 4 wideouts when he felt the blitz could be on. That was enough for the D to audible out of blitz & play cover 2 or zone cover 2.

The only pressure he let us have was up the middle & Parcells knew Adams & Allen where tough enough to handle the pressure & they did.

So that only left us with an outside blitz & using 3 wideouts & 1 TE or dbl Te with 2 wideouts made blitzing really tricky.

Thank god for Sean Taylor & his ability to HIT..!!! One great thing about Sean is he can hit hard.

Crayton caught what would have been a 1st down & Taylor rocked him with a hit that sent the ball back to the line of scrimmage. :smashfrea

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I think something a lot of fans forget is that Gibbs once had offenses known for the ability to make big plays (and comebacks). I do agree that the current offense has been way too conservative, but I think Gibbs will look at the game tapes and make the necessary changes so we can score more than 20 points a game consistently. I also think our chances against Seattle are good. Didn't the Seahawks struggle last year against big plays (look how they played the Rams in three games). And they aren't always good at handling the run.

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[QUOTE=STPainmaker]Not WR screens RB screens which if you watch the Eagles, Pats, and Colts all use these effectively against the Blitz. Not slow going either rapidly developing screens.[/QUOTE]

word. i don't ever see those here. whenever Portis got a pass it was as the emergency safety valve. waste of talent.

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Gibbs used to take alot of flack for his playcalling in the 80's. One of our favorite Redskins Art Monk used to catch alot of 2-3 yd passes. While keeping the game conservative we'd bust one long to Virgil Seay, Gary Clark or Alvin Garrett. I think you'll see some magic in the weeks to come from Gibbs' offense. The dump offs to Thrash, Cooley and Royal are the game winners. Short yardage time consuming passes along with the run. We older folk all know the old school ball control style. It works. Look at people around the league counting on their defense again these days instead of trying to score 100 pts. Check the Colts last game... Gibbs is back and so is the MAGIC!

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb]Gibbs used to take alot of flack for his playcalling in the 80's. One of our favorite Redskins Art Monk used to catch alot of 2-3 yd passes. While keeping the game conservative we'd bust one long to Virgil Seay, Gary Clark or Alvin Garrett. I think you'll see some magic in the weeks to come from Gibbs' offense. The dump offs to Thrash, Cooley and Royal are the game winners. Short yardage time consuming passes along with the run. We older folk all know the old school ball control style. It works. Look at people around the league counting on their defense again these days instead of trying to score 100 pts. Check the Colts last game... Gibbs is back and so is the MAGIC![/QUOTE]

Part of the magic was that Gibbs would sucker-punch defenses with the deep pass, after drawing them in with the run and short pass, but he did that throughout the game-- not just in the final 4 minutes. The problem is, Brunell is still trying to find the timing with the receivers on the short-to-intermediate routes, and up until the last 4 minutes of the Monday night game, he was uninclined to throw deep unless the receiver was wide-open. Once Brunell and the receivers get in-sync on the short and medium routes, things will begin to open up, as they'll be able to sustain more drives and establish the conditions required to set-up a successful deep passing game.

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isn't Gibbs struggling with the notion of playing too *much* like the 80s? i think he'll get it eventually, but calling the plays he did back then or counting on 4th quarter heroics isn't what it's going to take.

anyone catch that 3rd and short Counter-Trey late in the game that got 3-4 run blitzed into oblivion? Portis got dragged behind the line with the guards in mid pull and we had to punt. it seemed so inappropriate (anachronistic?) and even Madden had to say something.

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Aarrrgghhh.......as opposed to passing it and stopping the clock. Yeah that's smart!

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Aarrrgghhh.......as opposed to passing it and stopping the clock. Yeah that's smart![/QUOTE]

who said anything about passing? there are other running plays other than the Counter-Trey. what happened to plays that take better advantage of Portis, or maybe a play Parcells doesn't know by heart and made absolutely sure the Cowboys knew how to sniff and snuff out? even more out of place, i think Gibbs may have actually tried to get 'cute' there.

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The Cowboys were stuffing every sort of run...

Do we have to keep nitpicking, we did win the game, right?

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honestly Matty, change the thread name then.

i'd be down if you changed em all to GO TEAM for a week.
hopefully after the bye though, we could get back "Redskins Discussion For The Knowledeable Fan"

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I know, they should have put PR in the backfield for a dive play off right guard. He probably would have run someone over. ;)

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thought we weren't supposed to bring up "the R-name" either. these rules are confusing.

i dunno, would Broughton have been too much to expect?

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I think we're missing something a key point here, Gibbs doesn't call the plays. He can override the call, but who's to say the counter wasn't called down from Burns?

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only second game in Gibbs's career that Burns is supposed to call in the plays. who know what really goes on, especially that late in that game. should we edit the thread name to "Will Gibbs/Burns Open Up the Offense Now?"

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you know guys, for as sad as our offense has looked...I have been reading a bunch of Skins articles this morning and statistically we are doing pretty well. Moss already has three plays of 39 yds or more, two of which are over 50 yds. We only did that five times all year last year. We havent been very consistent but we are atleast taking steps in the right direction with the play calling and execution.

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While we are on the topic of conservative playcalling. The play I HATE the most and the one that should be ripped out of every playbook, is the WR Screen! Spurrier ran it and Gibbs runs it now as well. Has anyone ever seen that play get more than 3 yards? It has got to be the uglyest looking play ever conceived. I think it works in High school and college, because CBs are slow to react and especially if they are giving a WR 7-10 yards off the line. But I have never seen it work in the NFL. I guess the concept is to make the first CB miss, but it never works out that way.

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I agree, we run it all the time too. Against the bears we ran it twice in a row...It didtn work for Spurrier, it hasnt worked for Gibbs last year or this year...throw that play away.