Charlie Casserly - Final Piece of the Puzzle
 

Anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that Redskins 1 will be heading down to Houston (weather permitting) to wine and dine Casserly?

How long until he joins the Redskins as GM?

I vote for early next off season.

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I highly doubt hes coming back.

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Why would we want to do that? How are things going with the Texans, exactly? And are you so disappointed with our pickups this season? Really pissed about the Moss trade, huh? ;)

Stability. Stick with what we got for a while.

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I love the direction our team has currently, I just feel that Dan Snyder regrets the Casserly/Turner choice.



Just call me 'Nostradamus' next season. ;)

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I've thought about this too. This could be the last year for Casserly and Capers in Houston. If it's one thing Casserly's good at, it's stockpiling draft picks.

Only issues are, Snyder and Cerrato don't seem to care too much about stockpiling draft picks. And, what role would Snyder give Casserly? Would he have to answer to Cerrato? Is Cerrato given his walking papers? Would it cut into Joe Gibbs' authority?

And most of all, would Casserly [I]want[/I] to come back here and work for Snyder?

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it would be interesting,i don't know. anything is possible i just don't get that feel.but
it wouldn't hurt. he is the one who draft ol 76 the rock. we could always use more players like that

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[QUOTE=56FAN]it would be interesting,i don't know. anything is possible i just don't get that feel.but
it wouldn't hurt. he is the one who draft ol 76 the rock. we could always use more players like that[/QUOTE]

Yep, Casserly could find the gems late in the draft -- Shawn Barber, Stephen Davis, Brian Mitchell, even Gus Frerotte, who wound up sucking more often than he played well for us, but he's still slingin' it around. Jansen and Tre Johnson (who was dominant when he was healthy) were 2nd rounders.

Could be a long shot to come here, though.

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What happened to this supposed dynasty he was building in Houston?

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Im fine with the way things are, besides Gibbs has final say, Casserly isn't going to relinquish that.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]What happened to this supposed dynasty he was building in Houston?[/QUOTE]
he forgot about the off line,they suck,his 1st round picks have been no-brainers,but some of his moves in later rounds have been qeustionable,he gave up 3 picks last yr to get Jason babin,who was demoted this week,got rid of Aaron Glen to give up 2 picks to the raiders for Philip Buchanaon,who was also demoted this week,nobodys perfect,but I havent been that impressed with the texans progress,whether thats charley's fault,I dont know

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]What happened to this supposed dynasty he was building in Houston?[/QUOTE]

Clearly, it's not working out. Everybody gets on Joey Harrington's case, yet you never hear criticizm of David Carr. Andre Johnson and Jabar Gaffney have yet to make any kind of noise as the wideouts, and the offensive line has not come together, if there's even a cohesive unit in the making [I]capable[/I] of coming together. Domanick Davis is a ho-hum running back, and the defense, other than Philip Buchanon are made up of no-names, who are living up to that status -- and I don't mean the No-Name defense of the Dolphins.

Casserly has definitely had his chances to build up the Texans, and each year everyone expects them to take the next step, they end up disappointing.

So, knowing this, I guess the question should be, do we want Charlie Casserly?

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my, this really is a weekly thread. should just be a sticky.

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Ill, with the current situation in Houston it makes for a more likely eventuality than if evreything was rosy.

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I will leave my opinion on this matter at "I don't think it will make our situation in Washington stronger."

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Ill, with the current situation in Houston it makes for a more likely eventuality than if evreything was rosy.[/QUOTE]

hey nah, i hear you. i posted My First Casserly Thread a couple weeks back. heh

at this point though, i think the team needs an *accountant* more than anything. i'm hoping BRUNELL is really the last old former star we sign to an absurdly expensive contract. :party-smi

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If we were in the market for a GM, if I were Snyder, I would send Redskins1 out to pick up Bobby Beathard.

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i like casserly

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[QUOTE=Big C]i like casserly[/QUOTE]

Like him or....'Like him' like him?

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Clearly, it's not working out. Everybody gets on Joey Harrington's case, yet you never hear criticizm of David Carr. Andre Johnson and Jabar Gaffney have yet to make any kind of noise as the wideouts, and the offensive line has not come together, if there's even a cohesive unit in the making [i]capable[/i] of coming together. Domanick Davis is a ho-hum running back, and the defense, other than Philip Buchanon are made up of no-names, who are living up to that status -- and I don't mean the No-Name defense of the Dolphins.

Casserly has definitely had his chances to build up the Texans, and each year everyone expects them to take the next step, they end up disappointing.

So, knowing this, I guess the question should be, do we want Charlie Casserly?[/QUOTE]

With the way things are starting to turn out for them, I'd say no.

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Let me tell you something about Casserly. He is a terrible GM. Just look at the joke of a team that is the texans right now. His picks have been terrible. I don't know how this guy has such a good reputation here. The past success belongs to Bethard not Casserly.

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I saw Casserly at the Tysons Corner Clyde's having brunch about 2 months ago and asked him when he was coming back to the skins. He smiled and holding grandkids and said "You never know whats gonna happen".

I think he was talking out of his ass so a bunch of us would leave him alone.

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Just a couple of real world items here:

1. Is Casserly's contract up with the Texans? I don't know if it is or is not. If not, then Danny Boy better damned not fire up Redskins One and fly down to talk with Casserly. That would be "tampering". That could cost the Skins a first round pick - in 2007 since they already don't have one in 2006.

2. Bobby Beatherd left Washington to a large extent because a "power play" emerged between him and Joe Gibbs. JKC didn't rectify the situation to Beathard's liking and so he left town. He may have buried the hatchet with Gibbs in the intervening years - or maybe not. If not, he ain't coming back here.

3. Let's not demean the Texans' talent just because you want to argue that Charlie Casserley is not the guy you might want as a GM here. Dominick Davis is not a hack as a running back; he is a capable and worthwhile running back at the NFL level. Andre Johnson hasn't had a seson like a Randy Moss/Terrell Owens/Chad Johnson/Marvin Harrison. But he'd start on the Redskins in 2005 in a heartbeat. David Carr was actually a better QB two years ago than he has shown this year. That says to me that there is a "coaching issue" in Houston as opposed to a "GM issue". The offensive line in Houston hasn't ever been any good. Prediction: Dom Capers will not be the head coach there six months from now.

4. What actions by the Redskins FO or the coaches leads anyone here to believe that they would hire a GM if one came to them under the Christmas tree gift wrapped? I don't see anyone in the organization pushing for that to happen.

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I would love to have Charley back!

The front office will never improve as long as Vinny has a say in it...he needs to be shipped to alaska and erased from Danny's mind so that he can never be rehired.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Clearly, it's not working out. Everybody gets on Joey Harrington's case, yet you never hear criticizm of David Carr. Andre Johnson and Jabar Gaffney have yet to make any kind of noise as the wideouts, and the offensive line has not come together, if there's even a cohesive unit in the making [I]capable[/I] of coming together. Domanick Davis is a ho-hum running back, and the defense, other than Philip Buchanon are made up of no-names, who are living up to that status -- and I don't mean the No-Name defense of the Dolphins.

Casserly has definitely had his chances to build up the Texans, and each year everyone expects them to take the next step, they end up disappointing.

So, knowing this, I guess the question should be, do we want Charlie Casserly?[/QUOTE]


the difference is this. carr was the first player ever on the texans, who have built a team from scratch only four years ago. he also had a good year last year, whereas harrington did not and was on a team that has been around for ages. andre johnson hasnt made any noise? he had a great year last year

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I would love to have Casserly back. Not as GM but as some new position aside Cerrato. If we don't hit the playoffs this season look for that to happen. Casserly would love to come back to DC with Gibbs and not have to take the fall as a GM rather a more 'consultant' job. Or hell maybe even GM. I don't think either has done poorly Casserly or Cerrato. I know people like to hate on him, but for the first several seasons I think Dan Snyder probably had more to do with player decisions than Cerrato. Dan has recently; smartly allowed football people to make more informed decisions on personel.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that Redskins 1 will be heading down to Houston (weather permitting) to wine and dine Casserly?

How long until he joins the Redskins as GM?

I vote for early next off season.[/QUOTE]

THAT is a veeeeery interesting thought! I wonder what Joe thinks about that? Charlie knows talent. I don't know what the deal is in Houston, but he had signifigant input into the Superbowls teams for us.
If Houston continues, someone will have have to go. Maybe several sombody's
*** If you are not familiar with it Charlie Casserly has an incredible story of how he got a job with the Skin's-check it out

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[QUOTE=Luxorreb]I would love to have Casserly back. Not as GM but as some new position aside Cerrato. If we don't hit the playoffs this season look for that to happen. Casserly would love to come back to DC with Gibbs and not have to take the fall as a GM rather a more 'consultant' job. Or hell maybe even GM. I don't think either has done poorly Casserly or Cerrato. I know people like to hate on him, but for the first several seasons I think Dan Snyder probably had more to do with player decisions than Cerrato. Dan has recently; smartly allowed football people to make more informed decisions on personel.[/QUOTE]

What second day draft pick has Cerrato made that has contributed to the team significantly? I can't think of one real good starter that he has drafted outside the first 3 rounds, and I could have picked most of those guys. He is not good at his job, and he only holds it becasue he is a friend of Danny's. He is the only person in the organization who is not held accountable for his actions.

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[QUOTE=celts32]What second day draft pick has Cerrato made that has contributed to the team significantly? I can't think of one real good starter that he has drafted outside the first 3 rounds, and I could have picked most of those guys. He is not good at his job, and he only holds it becasue he is a friend of Danny's. He is the only person in the organization who is not held accountable for his actions.[/QUOTE]

part of the problem is a i think both gibbs and danny dont mind throwing picks around. cerrato is really just a head scout.

we did get pierce as an undrafted (who we should have kept, he's REALLY helped NYG's run D and so downgraded slightly and a division rival got a big upgrade). ryan clark... I can't really think of many others though...

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[QUOTE=That Guy]part of the problem is a i think both gibbs and danny dont mind throwing picks around. cerrato is really just a head scout.

we did get pierce as an undrafted (who we should have kept, he's REALLY helped NYG's run D and so downgraded slightly and a division rival got a big upgrade). ryan clark... I can't really think of many others though...[/QUOTE]


Regardless of what label we want to give Cerrato's job, he does have a significant say in the makeup of the team and I don't feel he has done a good job. It seems Snyder has turned over every job in the organization 3 or 4 tims yet Vinny remains. I don't think anyone would argue that the redskins draft record outside the first 2 rounds is not good. If he is not judged on those results then what is he judged on? No one can convince me that he has done a good job. I would love the Redskins to bring in a real GM to help Gibbs, even if it's not Charley...

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[QUOTE=celts32]Regardless of what label we want to give Cerrato's job, he does have a significant say in the makeup of the team and I don't feel he has done a good job. It seems Snyder has turned over every job in the organization 3 or 4 tims yet Vinny remains. I don't think anyone would argue that the redskins draft record outside the first 2 rounds is not good. If he is not judged on those results then what is he judged on? No one can convince me that he has done a good job. I would love the Redskins to bring in a real GM to help Gibbs, even if it's not Charley...[/QUOTE]

i'm just saying he's a good scout. I agree he hasn't been a good GM, and i'm not sure why he got promoted, but he's not the best we can get.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]i'm just saying he's a good scout. I agree he hasn't been a good GM, and i'm not sure why he got promoted, but he's not the best we can get.[/QUOTE]

If he was that good a scout the redskins would have more late round finds in his tenure. Anyone can pick Chris Samuels, Lavar Arrington and Sean Taylor. Scouts & GM's prove their worth in the late rounds and free agency.

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Bottomline is if Coach Gibbs being the team president wants Charlie it could happen. Dan does not have the say does he? I thought he gave complete control to Coach Gibbs.

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[QUOTE=Skins fan 44]Bottomline is if Coach Gibbs being the team president wants Charlie it could happen. Dan does not have the say does he? I thought he gave complete control to Coach Gibbs.[/QUOTE]


BINGO!

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[QUOTE=celts32]If he was that good a scout the redskins would have more late round finds in his tenure. Anyone can pick Chris Samuels, Lavar Arrington and Sean Taylor. Scouts & GM's prove their worth in the late rounds and free agency.[/QUOTE]

the trades (besides brunell which was all gibbs) have been good... moss, hall, rabach, thomas, patten, washington, griffin, harris, springs, portis, thrash... and lots of 1st day picks turn out to be garbage, and we haven't had many of those lately...

fiore and barrow didn't work out, but both were low risk bets, so they didn't really hurt us.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]the trades (besides brunell which was all gibbs) have been good... moss, hall, rabach, thomas, patten, washington, griffin, harris, springs, portis, thrash... and lots of 1st day picks turn out to be garbage, and we haven't had many of those lately...

fiore and barrow didn't work out, but both were low risk bets, so they didn't really hurt us.[/QUOTE]

Well, there was also Chad Morton, Jeremiah Trotter, and Trung Canidate -- all engineered by Snyder and Cerrato.

Still, it looks like overall, the good trades have outweighed the bad, though I can't be certain when it comes to salary cap implications.

I saw somewhere that the Redskins have the lowest ratio of draft picks on their final roster. I still say that someday, it will catch up to us.

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Morton in one game tied that amount of kicks he returned for TDs in a Redskins uniform in one week with the G-men. Trotter went to the pro bowl last year (deservedly or not, he still played good football. Not as good as pierce, but good football.), and well.... Trung was cheap and available!

It could have more to do with players not fitting into our scheme rahter than them being awful pickups.

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i thought trung was all spurriers idea... either way, i agree that tossing our draft picks every year is a bad thing.