Say it ain't so: RAMSEY may be on trading block
 

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In this ESPN chat - the editor of Pro Football Weekly says that Ramsey, along with Samuels and Gardner, is on the trading block. That's absolutely ludicrous, if true. If we somehow lose our QB of the future along with Samuels for friekin' Gallery, then someone in the front office better find the WMD before I do, b/c there will be hell to pay . . .

Trading the #5 pick AND a player like Samuels/Ramsey just to get Gallery does not make any sense at all. Not when there are gaping holes at the safety and defensive line spots. Ramsey himself is worth more than the #1 pick.

Pro Football Weekley said that? That makes me rest easy, to know that its not true.

Dealing Samuels and the 5 for the second overall pick is stupid. Why trade our first rounder, which is high and a good tackle for the same player Samuels already is? This is retarded. Outside of Portis the Skins offseason has sucked ass.

[QUOTE=jdlea]Dealing Samuels and the 5 for the second overall pick is stupid. Why trade our first rounder, which is high and a good tackle for the same player Samuels already is? This is retarded. Outside of Portis the Skins offseason has sucked ass.[/QUOTE]

We got Gibbs back!! I agree that Samuels and the 5th for the 2nd overall is a waste of trade but I'd just keep in mind that over the next days we're going to hear a lot of names and rumors, it's only natural come draft time

Ramsey on the block is pure speculation and the rumor is most likely a result of his agent more than anything. I'm not buying it at all.

Ive read a few sites that said the Redskins wont trade the 5th and Samuels for 2, think its stupid and would never do it.

If Gibbs and Snyder intend to trade say Samuels, Gardner, and Ramsey for the #1 overall pick (which I think the Chargers would take in a heartbeat), I wouldn't be surprised or terribly disappointed.

If we traded down from the #1 to get say, a mid-first rounder, a second rounder this year, and a decent player (i.e. a good TE or DT) I'd be happy. We could take a guy like Philip Rivers (who should be available at #10), an LB (Lehman or Boulware), and pick-up a decent veteran. And, I'd like to see us trade down from #5 to #21, 32, and 56 (from New England, which they've offered for #6). We could pick up say Randy Starks, Jake Grove, and Ben Watson.

Of course, these are a lot of ifs, but I think both are VERY possible. If we lost Gardner, Ramsey, Samuels, and our #5 pick for standout center Jake Grove, Pennington-like QB Philip Rivers, DT Randy Starks, TE Ben Watson, and either LBS Teddy Lehman or Michael Boulware, I'd say we had one hell of a draft.

Samuels is going to go soon anyways, Gardner is extraneous given all our WRs, Rivers and Ramsey are a draw, Starks would help the Dline, Watson is a good receiving threat to complement blocking TE Rasby, Jake Grove would definately solidify our interior Oline, and LB Boulware or Lehman would really add depth at LB.

I think the idea is crazy as well. With the new coaches (and Joe Bugel's foot up his ass) I think Samuels will get back on track this season. And no way in Dallas (oops, Hell) will we trade Ramsey for anything!!!!

Hmm, Eli Manning... Ramsey might not even play for the next two years. No one wants to give up Ramsey but if they think they are going to start Brunell for teh next two years mabye Manning isnt a bad idea. Then getting a pick for Ramsey and getting d-line help. The way the scenerio is listed above I dont think its a great idea but there are some intriguing possabilites that could come from it.

Ramseyfan, I'm still stunned that you of all people would say it's a draw between Rivers and Ramsey. Please explain

OK enough of this nonesense! You can't believe everything you hear, break down this rumor's logically, 1 Gibb's has stated time and again how important it is to have two QB's who can lead a team, why then would he give up ramsey? that was the idea behind getting brunell, so we would have 2 QB's capable of leading this team, 2 Samuel's said tonight on comcast that he want's to be a redskin and want's to play for Gibb's, as well as he has said that he and his agent have spoken to cerratto and have been told personally that it's all rumor's, This sound's a lot more like reality then what has been circulating on the rumor mill, giving up Samuel's the #5 and maybe another pick? sound's more like raider propaganda if you ask me!

Redo Samuels contract. Keep number five. And trade Trotter, Gardner, Betts, Iffy, next years picks if you want to get other picks this year. And then hope it all works out, that we have depth and that we can make a big run this year with all the talent.

Ramsey has Rivers beat in arm strength, but Rivers surpasses Ramsey in accuracy (hit receivers on the run constantly) and his mental strength. Rivers can read a defense like it was a practice squad and has somewhat similar drive and determination to what Ramsey showed last year. And I agree, as much as I like Ramsey, if he's not gonna be playing for probably 2 years, why not get a younger QB to mold and possibly another pick or 2.

Ramsey:
To me it is a question mark as to whether Ramsey is going to be a good camper about riding the bench for a couple of years - or more. The competition is open but Brunell is likely to win with his experience. Coach Gibbs may well want to keep Ramsey if he is willing to be an apprentice in that event - but may well want to trade Ramsey if he is showing signs of being an unhappy camper who will disrupt team harmony, subtly or openly.

Upshot: I think that Ramsey will not be a happy camper and that the Redskins will look to trade him.

Samuels:
Samuels has an enormous cap figure for this year of course, and the indications are that he is not willing to restructure. I don't know about this business of creating contracts that are really just for PR purposes but whom people don't really think will be paid out. But his contract is huge, and given our salary situation, if we can get Gallery and not give up too much more than Samuels to do it, we may want to make that move.
Upshot:
I think the Redskins will try to trade Samuels.

Rod Gardner:
We have a lot of wide receivers on our team but it would be a risk to go into the season without Gardner. We don't know if Jacobs will hold up or how he will do, and we don't know if McCants will fit comfortably into the #2 WR position. However, if we intend to draft Kellen Winslow, then Gardner is more expendable because we sign a dangerous receiving tight end, and probably one of the other receivers can get the job done in the #2 slot, especially with defenses worried about Coles and Winslow. Also, trading Gardner now means that we will get something for him before he goes to free agency next year.

Upshot:
Gardner is quite possibly going to be traded.

If we trade to San Diego, as in one theory supposedly heard on a NY radio station yesterday, we may give up Samuels, Gardner, and Ramsey and a 5th round pick this year for Drew Brees, the #1 pick this year, and San Diego's #1 pick in 2005. We keep our #5 pick and get the #1 pick. We draft Gallery and possibly Winslow or Taylor.

That is a move I would make.

Apparently Samuels has met with Cerrato and said he wants to be a Redskin and to not listen to the rumors. We are going to have a lot of mute point conversation in the next week as the rumors fly. But it should be fun, we'll see what happens.

I'd take that trade in a heartbeat shane. we could then trade down the chargers pick, possibly a couple times, and pick up new 2nd round picks and a new young QB to have Brunnel and Gibbs train. Or maybe just draft gallery and then also trade or keep the 1st round pick next year of San Diego and trotter or our own future picks to get another 1st rounder this year and take a lb to play the middle like vilma or a replacement for Ramsey. No matter what we should still select Taylor with our pick.

if we could get the numer one pick without getting rid of five they should trade it no matter what to accumulate a bunch of picks in the middle of the round. The only problem is if they give up Samules, because you create a hole then.

I obviously worship Ramsey, however I think that Rivers is going to be as good as Eli Manning. Rivers has Ramsey beat hands-down in terms of his accuracy and he isn't getting the attention he deserves because he has a funny, yet very effective, throwing style.

When you factor in the fact that trading Ramsey would bring us more picks, I say trade him if San Diego is willing to offer their #1 for Ramsey, Samuels, and Gardner.

Does it really surprise anyone to hear Ramsey's name come up again in trade rumors? The second you hear Chris Samuels' name (contract renegotiations/trade), Ramsey's is sure to follow since they have the same agent, Jimmy Sexton. I remember reading that when Brunell was signed, Sexton wanted a trade for Ramsey and was said to have "leverage" to get it done, since the Skins wanted to rework Samuels' contract.

Sexton/Samuels said no to reworking the deal, and now the Skins are very possibly considering trading away the "leverage" that Sexton had. If that does happen, Sexton's got nothing to bargain with and Ramsey's going nowhere.

It's interesting to watch different players with the same agents go through somewhat simlilar sets of circumstances, especially players on the same team.

Does anyone know if there is a comprehensive list online anywhere with players and their respective agents? Like with seemingly many of the Poston's representees (LaVar, Orlando Pace, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, etc etc etc) and their exploits, it's interesting to see who doesn't show up for camp or raises a stink over contracts and which agents they have.

Maybe owners should just start blackballing certain ones!

I have no faith in the Redskin managment.I no longer have any emotional reaction one way or another during the off season. I have that do as you bloody wish mentality.

Ramsey, Samuels and Gardner for one pick... no way. The more I read all these scenerios where we keep giving away our the team sicker I get. Joe Gibbs wants a core group of Redskins and he isnt going to get it if he trades everyone that is a redskin.

We have no continuity with out team, and thats something we desperatly need.

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I obviously worship Ramsey, however I think that Rivers is going to be as good as Eli Manning. Rivers has Ramsey beat hands-down in terms of his accuracy and he isn't getting the attention he deserves because he has a funny, yet very effective, throwing style.

When you factor in the fact that trading Ramsey would bring us more picks, I say trade him if San Diego is willing to offer their #1 for Ramsey, Samuels, and Gardner.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me? Ramsey, Samuel's, and gardner for the #1 pick? why don't we throw in portis and smoot as well?

[QUOTE=offiss]Are you kidding me? Ramsey, Samuel's, and gardner for the #1 pick? why don't we throw in portis and smoot as well?[/QUOTE]


Only if we also send La Var, the #5 and Snyder's first born. (actually, that last one might not be a bad idea...)

[QUOTE=Shane]If we trade to San Diego, as in one theory supposedly heard on a NY radio station yesterday, we may give up Samuels, Gardner, and Ramsey and a 5th round pick this year for Drew Brees, the #1 pick this year, and San Diego's #1 pick in 2005. We keep our #5 pick and get the #1 pick. We draft Gallery and possibly Winslow or Taylor.

That is a move I would make.[/QUOTE]

If this trade is on the board, then we should take it by all means. It would not only give us two first rounders the next two years, but it would absolutely validate the release of Schottenheimer from the team.

That article says we get San Diego's first this year and next, but it contradicts itself by saying we give them the 5 at one point.

Now, I'm not sure if I'm much for this trade. Samuels and Gardner I can live without, but I really think Ramsey has a future. Who's going to be our QB of the future? Breese? I don't think so. I guess with San Diegos pick next year we could pick the cream of the crop as far as QBs go, but I don't know. There are a ton of great QBs coming out this year.

Either way, I don't believe anything till draft day 8)

We have to remember, this is all speculation and rumors. Ramsey isnt going anywhere. I wouldnt be surprised to see Samuels go and I dont think it would be the worst thing in the world. Mainly because his career has been on the downslide the past couple of years (although that could have a lot to do with SS's faulty "blocking" schemes) and he'll have a HUGE impact in the team's salary cap the next couple of years. Gallery's contract would pale in comparison until the back end of the deal. All that said, I agree with most that say that defense is where we need the help -- dline and secondary. A pick up of Sean Taylor would suit me just fine...

Well I quit using the Lavar Wallpaper the other day and put Ramsey in his place......will someone make a GIBBS wallpaper? PLEASE!!!!!


lol
peace

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]We have no continuity with out team, and thats something we desperatly need.[/QUOTE]

Preach on, brother....

I really hope that ramsey does stay here because Brunnell WILL NOT STAY HEALTHY FOR 16 GAMES!!!!

Brunell will play well, but get injured. Ramsey will play better and will be the starter by the end of the season, and will lead us into the play offs.
He will not be traded.

I think Ramsey, by himself, is still worth more than the #1 pick in the draft. He's better than Manning and Rothleisberger for our offense b/c he's more able to play NOW and he's got a rocket arm and is intelligent. Gibbs doesn't want to spend time having a #2 QB who is a rookie.

By the way, I think we should try and trade up for a higher pick, if we can keep teh #5 pick, but pick FITZGERALD instead of Gallery.

I hope to god we do not trade Ramsey or Samuels. Both are leaders on the team and it would be a blow to continuity and, dare I say it, Gibb's credibility. As to Gardner and Iffy, fine but only if we are keeping No. 5 or better and not trading away next year's number one. Trotter and Candidate are gone anyway if we can get an extra 6th or 7th for them - great.

Although in the past I have leaned towards trading manipulations to gain us some extra picks, I am to the point where I think we stand pat pick Taylor, Winslow or Harris and then the rest of take Saturday off.

I got a gibbs wallpaper from some link off of this site. Ill try to find it again and let you know.

And Ramsey is worth a first rounder, we've been offered first rounders for him this year. If we wanted to get rid of Ramsey it would not be hard, I dont see the logic in doing so though. Im so tired of teh turnaround. Everytime we think we could get a better player we get rid of ours. Our team will be ten times better with the same group of players then changing them all the time becuase one might have had a better prevoius year.

[QUOTE=Showtime]I think Ramsey, by himself, is still worth more than the #1 pick in the draft. He's better than Manning and Rothleisberger for our offense b/c he's more able to play NOW and he's got a rocket arm and is intelligent. Gibbs doesn't want to spend time having a #2 QB who is a rookie.
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I really like Ramsey as well and do not want him traded. He will be a great QB soon.. but...Ramsey was drafted with the last pick of the first round and is worth a 1st round pick, but not the #1 pick.
Ramsey also still has some faults he needs to work on (he holds on to the ball way too long, is not very good at side stepping the pass rush around him and is very slow footed). Gibbs obviously saw these flaws and that is why he gave up so much for Brunell, to give Ramsey more time to develop.
I also think Ramsey will not want to resign with us when his contract is up. I think Ramsey feels he deseved the starting job and has been cheated out of it. As much as Ramsey respects Gibbs, he might want to prove him wrong with another team for demoting him now.
With that in mind, if Ramsey has huge trade value now, it might be worth at least hearing what other teams would give up for him. If he does not resign with us when his contract is up, what good is developing him into a star QB and losing him for nothing.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Pro Football Weekley said that? That makes me rest easy, to know that its not true.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha Ha no kiding.

[QUOTE=Defensewins] I think Ramsey feels he deseved the starting job and has been cheated out of it. As much as Ramsey respects Gibbs, he might want to prove him wrong with another team for demoting him now.[/QUOTE]


Lets see how much faith Gibbs instils in his players. I think now that we have Gibbs players will want to play for us and think we have a good chance of winning. Ramsey is in a good position to show everyone what it means to be a Redskin. I hope he does.

As well as coping with all the draft rumours which make it to this side of the Atlantic, I now find myself having to cope with all you lot making up your own trade/draft scenarios too! I particularly chuckle at the monster 5 players/draft spots each side which seem to be appearing as people pluck names out of a hat to see who can outdo who. I am now at the point of ignoring any further speculation as 99% of it will come to nothing anyway, so there's no point in worrying about it. Everyone just calm down and have faith!!!

Yea I agree, but thats why we have this message board, to speculate right. heh