Pierson Prioleau or Matt Bowen?
 

Now that Matt Bowen is back in the starting line up:
[url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20050928-120747-4568r.htm[/url]
Who do you think makes the defense better?

Re: Pierson Prioleau or Matt Bowen?
 

Bowen has always been one of my favorite Redskins. I like his intensity. I like his attacking style of play. I think he's a good tackler. Until he got hurt last year, he was a monster on blitzes.

I am glad to see him return to a starting role. I think his play and demeanor fires up other players.

Re: Pierson Prioleau or Matt Bowen?
 

Pierson, putting him back there reminds me of, two of the most hardest hitting Safties in our time, Atwater & Smith

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PP, bowen still sucks in coverage :(

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i hope to see atleast 2 sacks by bowen this sunday.

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Bowen definitely gives it his all on every play, but isn't he slow?

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]Pierson, putting him back there reminds me of, two of the most hardest hitting Safties in our time, Atwater & Smith[/QUOTE]
Who is Smith? I thought that Lott was a pretty good hitter...

Re: Pierson Prioleau or Matt Bowen?
 

I like the way that Williams uses Bowen on blitzs but he is not really that great in coverage. I may be the odd one here but I would like to see Stoutmire(SP) more, I mean he can really lay on a monster hit... Remember him seperating Muhammad from the ball in the first game against the bears?

All in all, I really dont think that there is enough game time between the two to make an accurate choice, I mean they both really only played 2 games each as a starting Redskin.

If I had to pick one I think that I would have to go with Bowen overall...

Re: Pierson Prioleau or Matt Bowen?
 

Right now, this week, Bowen is a better choice. He's a better run stopper than PP. But if we're talking about overall.....I think Preilou is better in pass coverage, and does a decent job against the run. Bowen is slow as hell.

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My question is: how is Ryan Clark coming along? Haven't seen his name on the injured list this week. Is he practicing? I thought he was higher on the depth chart...

Bowen is good on the blitz and against the run (I think) but not as good in coverage. Still, I trust Williams and co. to use him properly and keep us strong.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]Bowen definitely gives it his all on every play, but isn't he slow?[/QUOTE]

Slow?

One of the few things he has going for him is speed.

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clark has been hurt for a while now.

Re: Pierson Prioleau or Matt Bowen?
 

I'll go with neither on this one.

They both have their limitations and overall are average players.

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it says bowen is 25 in the article...he was born in 76 making him either 28 or 29 depending on his bday...stupid washintgon times

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I can see Bowen being the blitzer opposite side from Springs, both coming on every other blitz called.

Bowen is a big hitter, one of my favorite players from the intensity POV, but ponderous on pass coverage. He seems to lose a step on thought process.

Re: Pierson Prioleau or Matt Bowen?
 

The only big hit Bowen's ever put on anyone was trung in training camp.

Bowen is too much of a liability in the passing game to play him much, it also doesnt help to have the other team see 41 and know a blitz is coming. I like Pierson and Stoutamire myself.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Slow?

One of the few things he has going for him is speed.[/QUOTE]


Whether he has straight line speed or not is irrelevent, he alway's seems to be 2 steps behind the reciever.

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Our big problem will be slowing Alexander. I think that Bowen is a little better in the run D (not as good in the pass). So Bowen is a better start this week.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]The only big hit Bowen's ever put on anyone was trung in training camp.

Bowen is too much of a liability in the passing game to play him much, it also doesnt help to have the other team see 41 and know a blitz is coming. I like Pierson and Stoutamire myself.[/QUOTE]

So you didn't watch the first two games of last season?

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I go with PP. He has been playing very well.

Bowen is very one dimensional. Not very good in pass coverage. I have been frustrated by Bowen's play in the past. He is good at blitzing Qb, but that is about it.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]So you didn't watch the first two games of last season?[/QUOTE]
Those are the only two games where he has played well. He is still a liablitiy in the pass coverage, which is why Williams takes him out in obvious pass plays where he is not going to blitz the SS..

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Redskinrat - he didn't really lay any hits where I went wow, what a hit. Not like watching Taylor hit that Cowboys receiver or the Pittsburgh receiver last year. Or like stoutamire vs Moose. Bowen made some good tackles on the blitz, but he didn't really make someone think twice about catching a ball.

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To be honest, Bowen played pretty well in pass coverage last week. If he can keep up that type of play, I'd feel fine with him back there while PP is out.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Those are the only two games where he has played well. He is still a liablitiy in the pass coverage, which is why Williams takes him out in obvious pass plays where he is not going to blitz the SS..[/QUOTE]

Yeah, being on IR made him less available......;)

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Redskinrat - he didn't really lay any hits where I went wow, what a hit. Not like watching Taylor hit that Cowboys receiver or the Pittsburgh receiver last year. Or like stoutamire vs Moose. Bowen made some good tackles on the blitz, but he didn't really make someone think twice about catching a ball.[/QUOTE]

I'd have to disagree, good naturedly. There was one blindsider on a QB (sorry, don't remember the opposing team) where I expected to see a priest come on for Last Rites. Bowen can bring it, shaky on pass D though.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Whether he has straight line speed or not is irrelevent, he alway's seems to be 2 steps behind the reciever.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, all I was saying was speed isn't his problem.

His decision making on the other hand...

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it's Bowen's closing speed i see as his problem. he can't make those 2 steps up once the ball is in the air. seen too many 'oh, almost there's

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[QUOTE=illdefined]it's Bowen's closing speed i see as his problem. he can't make those 2 steps up once the ball is in the air. seen too many 'oh, almost there's[/QUOTE]

I like bowen playing this week. He is a good run stopper and tackler. We'll need that for Alexander. I don't think IMO there is a better blitzing saftey on the team including Taylor. (from what i've seen of cource) Bowen gets to the QB. He has been shaky in pass coverage in the past but he sure did'nt look bad when he made that play on Keyshawn J. late in the Cowgirl game on the sideline. We can use the pressure on Matt; his WR can't catch anyway. (lets hope they get the drops like they had last year!!

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that's true, good point. does Seattle have anyone you'd consider a burner?

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Redskinrat - he didn't really lay any hits where I went wow, what a hit. Not like watching Taylor hit that Cowboys receiver or the Pittsburgh receiver last year. Or like stoutamire vs Moose. Bowen made some good tackles on the blitz, but he didn't really make someone think twice about catching a ball.[/QUOTE]


I don't know of any safety in this league that can bring it like Taylor!

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[QUOTE=Top-Skin-K].....I don't think IMO there is a better blitzing saftey on the team including Taylor. (from what i've seen of cource) Bowen gets to the QB. He has been shaky in pass coverage in the past but he sure did'nt look bad when he made that play on Keyshawn J. late in the Cowgirl game on the sideline. We can use the pressure on Matt; his WR can't catch anyway. (lets hope they get the drops like they had last year!![/QUOTE]

It is not that Matt Bowen is better at blitzing the QB than Sean Taylor, it is just that the offensive players (QB's in particular) pay more attention to where ST is than MB. They might not notice when Matt Bowen is blitzing, but the QB is always aware of where ST is and if he is blitzing. So ST is less likely to a clear path to the QB.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]It is not that Matt Bowen is better at blitzing the QB than Sean Taylor, it is just that the offensive players (QB's in particular) pay more attention to where ST is than MB. They might not notice when Matt Bowen is blitzing, but the QB is always aware of where ST is and if he is blitzing. So ST is less likely to a clear path to the QB.[/QUOTE]

Bowen is just a FOOTBALL PLAYER. A Kamikaze special teamer, legitimized as a defensive starter. Fun to watch as he plays with abandon. But, you are correct. You cannot overlook ST-he's a FORCE

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]I'd have to disagree, good naturedly. There was one blindsider on a QB (sorry, don't remember the opposing team) where I expected to see a priest come on for Last Rites. Bowen can bring it, shaky on pass D though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I remember that hit. It was on Brad Johnson in the first game against the Bucs last year. Not only did he separate Johnson from the ball, he also practically separated Johnson's head from his body. :smashfrea And let's not forget that Johnson is a pretty big qb.

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It's nice we have such a dilemma at safety. Taylor is the obvious starter at FS but with Stoutmire, Bowen, and Prioleau (not to mention Clark when he's healthy) we shouldn't have any problems in the near future. I like Prioleau's solid coverage and sure tackling, as well as his play on special teams. We should definitely keep him in on dime and maybe nickel packages at least. Bowen is a beast as a blitzer, but I'm not confident in his coverage skills. He's best played in certain packages. Stoutmire is a ferocious hitter and someone who might deserve more playing time. I wonder if he'll be the starter in the near future?

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[QUOTE=jermus22]Yeah, I remember that hit. It was on Brad Johnson in the first game against the Bucs last year. Not only did he separate Johnson from the ball, he also practically separated Johnson's head from his body. :smashfrea And let's not forget that Johnson is a pretty big qb.[/QUOTE]

That's the one. Thanks! :biggthump

Re: Pierson Prioleau or Matt Bowen?
 

Prioleau will be more missed on special teams than on defense. The guy covers as well as Trash does. We have a great set of safeties. That is really a strength of this team. It will be good to get Prioleau back so that we can have fresh healthy guys back there the entire game.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Prioleau will be more missed on special teams than on defense. The guy covers as well as Trash does. We have a great set of safeties. That is really a strength of this team. It will be good to get Prioleau back so that we can have fresh healthy guys back there the entire game.[/QUOTE]

Dude, how can you spell [b]Prioleau[/b] correctly and not manage [b]Thrash[/b]?

Re: Pierson Prioleau or Matt Bowen?
 

Bowen is S.L.O.W. That's not a good attribute for a defensive back. He did have a descent week but he didn't go into the game as the starter and Seattle has had a week to gameplan and exploit his weaknesses -- Pass Coverage. When he comes up to the line of scrimmage, it is pretty predictable that he will blitz because he is too slow to recover and get into pass coverage. I like Ryan Clark. Prioleau is a better option than Bowen. Bowen scares me when he is back there.

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Bowen ran a 4.5 coming out of college, that's really not what I would call slow for a safety.

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Sean Taylor in comparison ran a 4.51

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How about Roy Williams? 4.53

[url="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/brandt_group1.html"]http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/brandt_group1.html[/url]

His problem isn't speed, it's his angles and decision making that need work. But if we're talking about straight up speed, he's fine.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Bowen ran a 4.5 coming out of college, that's really not what I would call slow for a safety.

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Sean Taylor in comparison ran a 4.51

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How about Roy Williams? 4.53

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His problem isn't speed, it's his angles and decision making that need work. But if we're talking about straight up speed, he's fine.[/QUOTE]

don't all those guys get burned deep semi-regularly? think it's good to have one run support/big hitter safety and one effectively playing dimeback, isn't that the differnce between a strong (covers the TE?) and free safety or did i just word associate?