All Arrington All The Time (Mega Merge Club Mix)
 

Hey, I am going to try to listen to this post what I hear, but I'm in and out of meetings, so I just wanted to start this thread for anyone getting a chance to listen to the whole thing and report on what goes on!

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I'm listening......I'll keep everyone posted.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

isn't there a link where you can listen to 980 online?

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

[url]http://www.sportstalk980.com[/url]

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They just played the Howie Long clip, and Lavar said that it wasn't true. He said that Howie is just trying to start up some rumors. He went on to say that he would never say anything like that (that he wouldn't attend any meetings). He says he's 100%.

He doesn't want to become a distraction, because the team is doing so well. He's just doing whats asked of him.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

I say we keep LaVar and his huge ass contract.....at least he wants to be here.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

"I just want to get on the field, even if it means going out to greet my teamates" "I just want play"

"There is no power struggle"

"I'm doing what ever is asked of me"

"I'm not the starter, Warrick HOldman is the outside starting LB"

"I'm not going to sit here and start mudslinging, or add to the confusion"

"I'm condemned if I say something and I condemned if I dont"

"the rumors going around saying I'm a freelancer....I don't want to play special teams, its all rumors."

"I lost my job, It was my job for 5 years and now I lost it."

When Doc asked about the game Lavar hit him back with, "now that is what we should be talking about" He is giving props to the players, MOss, Royal, Burnell, basically everyone, he is breaking down the offense ... time of possesion, etc ...

He sounds real genuine talking about how he just has to figure out where he belongs, how he has been here for too long to start griping.

Here comes Koken ...

Koken: Has anyone ask you to play special teams?

LA:I have not turned anything down, so I have not been asked?

Koken: YOur contract have any bearing on your playing time?

LA: I won't comment on that, one way or the other

[b]Doc: Do you have any dialog with Gregg Williams?[/b]

[b]LA: Absoulutley not...but I don't want to sound unselfish ... as coaches I don't understand why there is no dialogue, etc. ( ME: THIS DOES NOT SOUND GOOD AT ALL)[/b]


I feel real good about his words, and his honesty .... he is doing a good job about putting out the fire, quick.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

Still, he sounds really unhappy that he is not playing.

Guess I can't blame him. He is such a gamer.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

Well, he should be....he want's to be on the bench?? Especially a guy like him.

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i feel bad for lavar. he deserves to be starting. but he's being a man about it and not making it into a t.o. soap opera. props to him.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

Damn I wish he were on the field. He's too good to be sitting on the bench.

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Lavar is a class act. I hope he stay's on the team for many years to come.

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More Lavar quotes:

"I love my fans"

"I couldn't have dreamed having a support system like the REdskins fans"

"this is just another hurdle"

"I wish I could give them what they want on Sunday"

he is going off on the fans ... love fest right now.

Man, I officially feel bad for #56 man, LETS GET HIM IN THERE MAN!

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

That was a good interview. You can tell it's eating him up inside not being on the field, but he won't talk trash about the organization. I can't help but to pity the opposing team when he finally gets back in the starting rotation and he decides to take out all that frustration.

Lavar's a good man and deserves better.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

The settlement that Arington and the Skins reached over his grievance had something like this in the package:


If Arrington makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next three years,k he gets to void the rest of his deal and become an unrestricted free agent.


Hmmm... It will be hard for him to make the Pro Bowl on the bench. So, as long as the defense is playing really well without him, what is the motivation for the Skins to put him on the field?

If the defense stumbles, they'll go to him for help; but until then, it won't surprise me to see Arrington on the field for less than a dozen snaps of the ball.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]The settlement that Arington and the Skins reached over his grievance had something like this in the package:


If Arrington makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next three years,k he gets to void the rest of his deal and become an unrestricted free agent.


Hmmm... It will be hard for him to make the Pro Bowl on the bench. So, as long as the defense is playing really well without him, what is the motivation for the Skins to put him on the field?

If the defense stumbles, they'll go to him for help; but until then, it won't surprise me to see Arrington on the field for less than a dozen snaps of the ball.[/QUOTE]

That verbage in the contract sounds correct from what I've read, but I just can't imagine Gibbs or Williams not playing LaVar because of language in his contract. Whether the defense is doing good or otherwise. I think they want to win so badly, and win right now that couldn't possibly be a factor in holding him out of the line up.

That would shock me if that were the case.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]The settlement that Arington and the Skins reached over his grievance had something like this in the package:


If Arrington makes the Pro Bowl twice in the next three years,k he gets to void the rest of his deal and become an unrestricted free agent.


Hmmm... It will be hard for him to make the Pro Bowl on the bench. So, as long as the defense is playing really well without him, what is the motivation for the Skins to put him on the field?

If the defense stumbles, they'll go to him for help; but until then, it won't surprise me to see Arrington on the field for less than a dozen snaps of the ball.[/QUOTE]
I hope you're not implying that he isn't on the field for any reason other than a performance issue. I could make the opposite argument that they're paying him way too much to sit the bench but who honestly believes he isn't playing because of contract issues? I am worried he is on the bench because that knee, while healed, isn't the same as it was before and now he can't get the job done. I would be stunned beyond belief if it came out they were sitting him for anything other than performance issues.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]Damn I wish he were on the field. He's too good to be sitting on the bench.[/QUOTE]


I tend to doubt that, as everyone knows I am the president of the Lavar is the most overated player in the NFL fan club, I find it hard to believe that a coach like Gregg Williams who is maybe the best defensive mind in the NFL, and who also considers all of his players starters who contribute in the game, and plays as many people as he can depending on what circumstances are presented, will not only not start Lavar, but wont even play him, I actually like Lavar as a person, he's a funny guy, and has a down to earth personality, but Lavar the football player has been so grossly overhyped it's ridiculous, does anyone think as I stated time and again in the offseason that Lavar could be very effectivly replaced by nobodies isn't true? Because that's what happened last year, and is also happening again this year.

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[QUOTE=offiss]I tend to doubt that, as everyone knows I am the president of the Lavar is the most overated player in the NFL fan club, I find it hard to believe that a coach like Gregg Williams who is maybe the best defensive mind in the NFL, and who also considers all of his players starters who contribute in the game, and plays as many people as he can depending on what circumstances are presented, will not only not start Lavar, but wont even play him, I actually like Lavar as a person, he's a funny guy, and has a down to earth personality, but Lavar the football player has been so grossly overhyped it's ridiculous, does anyone think as I stated time and again in the offseason that Lavar could be very effectivly replaced by nobodies isn't true? Because that's what happened last year, and is also happening again this year.[/QUOTE]
I can't argue with that other than to say that maybe he just can't be the same player he was before with the banged up knee. I have to imagine if he could rush the passer like has done in the past for us he'd be on the field. I think this is a health issue and if not a health issue it is an issue where the knee is healed but damaged so much it has reduced his effectiveness.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]That verbage in the contract sounds correct from what I've read, but I just can't imagine Gibbs or Williams not playing LaVar because of language in his contract. Whether the defense is doing good or otherwise. I think they want to win so badly, and win right now that couldn't possibly be a factor in holding him out of the line up.

That would shock me if that were the case.[/QUOTE]I would agree it does not make sense to pay a player that much money just to ride the bench. Its like the same argument that Gibbs put in Brunell because he picked him and gave him such a large contract. I think they maybe saving Lavar for the right game because he is not playing teams will not game plan for him.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I can't argue with that other than to say that maybe he just can't be the same player he was before with the banged up knee. I have to imagine if he could rush the passer like has done in the past for us he'd be on the field. I think this is a health issue and if not a health issue it is an issue where the knee is healed but damaged so much it has reduced his effectiveness.[/QUOTE]


The thing is we are not hearing that from either side, and it's not like Lavar has had reconstructive knee surgery, he say's he's 100%, the team hasen't said otherwise, in fact what they have said is Lavar has to learn what we [Williams] want's from him, apparently he's having a major problem figuring that out.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

I don't know. Lavar said that he and the coaches aren't even really talking with one another about this. The Redskins organization made a substantial financial commitment to him which tells me that they see him as an integral part of their team. How can coaches just refuse to communicate with an integral part of the team? I guess we as fans can only speculate, but this just does not smell right.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]I would agree it does not make sense to pay a player that much money just to ride the bench. Its like the same argument that Gibbs put in Brunell because he picked him and gave him such a large contract. I think they maybe saving Lavar for the right game because he is not playing teams will not game plan for him.[/QUOTE]


Come FD, I think your really stretching on this one, kind of like the argument that Gibbs is keeping teams in games because he doesn't want to reveal our double secret offensive scheme because he's saving it for the super bowl.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]I don't know. Lavar said that he and the coaches aren't even really talking with one another about this. The Redskins organization made a substantial financial commitment to him which tells me that they see him as an integral part of their team. How can coaches just refuse to communicate with an integral part of the team? I guess we as fans can only speculate, but this just does not smell right.[/QUOTE]


I wonder if Lavar has found a plasma tv at his doorstep yet? :laughing2

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

:laughing- Awww man. That's just not funny, so I shouldn't be laughing.

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12th Man/FRPLG:

I don't know why Arrington is not on the field; only Gibbs and Willliams know that.

Last year, the Redskins defense was really, really good, LaVar Arrington contributed next to nothing to their being really, really good. So, the coaching staff has some reason to suspect that they can have a really, really good defense on the field with LaVar Arrington on the sidelines or in the owners' box or at Redskins' Park or in Lower Slobbovia. They already did that last year.

Now it is 2005. Warrick Holdman played well in the exhibition games and LaVar Arrington's knee required him to ease on through some of the workouts. So, it's time to name a starting unit and Gibbs and Williams sit down to make up the first string. Remember, Gibbs wears the hat of Coach Gibbs and also the hat of President of Football Operations Gibbs.

IF Williams tells Gibbs that Williams believes that the defense will be just fine with Holdman at starting LB, let's IMAGINE what Joe Gibbs does. Remember, this is IMAGINATION because we cannot read minds. And remember, the premise here is that Williams believes that the defense is perfectly OK with Holdman in the starting line-up and Arrington playing only a little bit.

Gibbs has two choices; he can tell Williams that he wants Arrington on the field or he can go along with Williams.

Choice #1 - Overrule Willliams and put LaVar on the starting unit:

Pro: You get a physically gifted football player out there on the field.
You "get your money's worth" from your highest plaid player.

Con: You will have a less than fully happy Defensive Coordinator if you overrule him.
You will have to pay Arrington even more money if he achieves the incentive levels in his contract.
You may put Arrington a year closer to leaving the team as a free agent if he plays and plays really well.


Choice #2 - Go along with the recommendation of Defensive Coordinator

Pro: Happier coaching staff
You have one hell of a guy on the bench to provide a "shot in the arm" for the defense if they ever falter.
You can sit back and see how the season unfolds. If the defense is strong, you just let things keep on keeping on; if they hit a rough spot, you can be the guy who "makes the tough call" and insert Arrington into the lineup.

Con: You have to listen to media gurus like Doc Walker and Al Koken wonder why all this is happening.


So, if you were Joe Gibbs and you got that recommendation from Gregg Williams, what would you have done?

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

Curmudgeon, I don't think this is about Gibbs versus Williams. I think it's more about what has happened that Williams has lost faith in Lavar. If you have a 3 time Pro Bowler in his prime sitting on the bench, aren't you at least intrigued by what might happen when you put him on the field healthy?

I think we are all just curious about WHY Lavar is not getting the snaps we all think he's earned.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

I remember seeing Gregg Williams pulling LaVar out of Dallas game after just 2 plays. Williams made some kind of "cut-throat" gesture to say "You are done playing." I just get the feeling that LaVar is unable to play within Williams' scheme.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

Me too, Kev. I simply think Arrington wants to be the star and that doesn't include buying into the scheme and playing his part no matter how large or small. I think he wants sacks from an upright position and bonecrushing hits on RBs. Problem is, he can be caught out of position (over-runs the play) and burned. So I can understand why he's off.

The problem is -- he's not going anywhere. Personally, I would have traded him before giving him that ridiculously huge contract because I feel his contributions aren't worth a portion of our cap that large.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

I think Lavar just wants to help us win, when I read his comments I heard a guy frustrated that he hasn't been able to do more to help the team win but a guy ready and willing to do just that.

As for the rumor about his unwillingness to play special teams, I know at least one punter who would argue with that. Once LA hits the field, the opponents will pay. I don't know what it is, my only hope is to see Lavar back on the field knocking qbs into retirement. that's it.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Me too, Kev. I simply think Arrington wants to be the star and that doesn't include buying into the scheme and playing his part no matter how large or small. I think he wants sacks from an upright position and bonecrushing hits on RBs. Problem is, he can be caught out of position (over-runs the play) and burned. So I can understand why he's off.

The problem is -- he's not going anywhere. Personally, I would have traded him before giving him that ridiculously huge contract because I feel his contributions aren't worth a portion of our cap that large.[/QUOTE]


Pretty much nailed it D.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

he has too much pride to start a conversation as to what he needs to do to play more, and he's shocked that the staff haven't come to him (he's contributed 3 tackles, so maybe he's just not that important to GW)... still, you figure someone could step in and at least clear the air.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]he has too much pride to start a conversation as to what he needs to do to play more, and he's shocked that the staff haven't come to him (he's contributed 3 tackles, so maybe he's just not that important to GW)... still, you figure someone could step in and at least clear the air.[/QUOTE]


IMO Lavar knows why, he's just having a tough time admitting that it's his own inability to play within Williams system thats keeping him on the bench, probably whats going on is the coaching staff is waiting to hear from Lavar with his actions on the field, and that will start in practice, and he'd better learn to change, because I don't see any scenerio other than injuries that Williams will back down and play the guy unless Lavar changes his mind set.

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[QUOTE=offiss]IMO Lavar knows why, he's just having a tough time admitting that it's his own inability to play within Williams system thats keeping him on the bench, probably whats going on is the coaching staff is waiting to hear from Lavar with his actions on the field, and that will start in practice, and he'd better learn to change, because I don't see any scenerio other than injuries that Williams will back down and play the guy unless Lavar changes his mind set.[/QUOTE]

I think that could be about right on the head, I think it is an attitude thing. Lavar is frustrated and his efforts in practice whether it be lack of energy, or showing the coaches I deserve to be in there and it just not given to me because I am healed. I think Lavar could be a big time play maker, but this coaching staff owes him nothing and feel Holdman has come in and done everything to earn the position and with Lavars athletic ability if he played to his potential in practice and earned the spot he would get it. That is what these coaches are about you earn a position or pay. Just like they did Smoot, Springs played at a pro bowl level last year and Smoot said pay me more for paying at a lower level. It does not work that way with this team it seems. That is how you build a team where players come in and play at a high level and practice at a high level and know if you produce you are rewarded with play no matter 1st round pick or multi-million dollar player.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

I sincerely doubt Lavar Arrington is the same player as he was before. If he cant be a better pass-rushing threat than Chris Clemons, something is seriously wrong.
Gregg Williams puts on the field the players that give him the best chance of winning.

I hope im wrong, but... i dunno.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

Wonder if he's in Dale Lindsey's doghouse, and that is what is influencing things? If Lindsey isn't happy with Lavar (or if the two are not getting along--wouldn't suprise me given their respected temperments), then I doubt Williams is going to undercut Lindsey (for the same reason that SportsC gave about Gibbs not undercutting Williams). Lindsey gets to work with the LBs night and day, so he'd be in a position to promote or demote Lavar, I bet.

Just speculating. I think we could use LA on the field.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

I definately think he gives us an advantage. GW will plan his defense around his players. We have a MLB change last year and Marshall isnt the best in the world at blowing up a gap and shedding a blocker, but he drops back into coverage alot. He drops deep. He puts in clemons as a situational rusher.

Lavar with one leg is better than most olbs in the league. I can't even speculate why he's not playing. Something is amiss. As a player, you have to deliver in practice, and as a coaching staff, if a player is trying, you have to do what you can to get the best players playing to their potential and facilitate communication. Coaching is communication.

Our Defense IS a bit shaky compared to last year. We're being eaten up in the short passing game and we don't quite stuff the run as great as last year, but the biggest thing is pressure. We're not accomplishing it in the games where it matters, so franklyl I dont care what people practice like, if LA can get the pressure in situations that we need, or take on 2 blockers so that other people can get pressure, you have to play the guy. Holdman is good, but he's not close to being the caliber player LA was and is.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

You got to put him in. Nothing against Holdman, but has anyone heard his name called in a game yet? Lavar makes a GREAT play the first play in Dallas and you don't see him again. This is what we all refer to a "true" redskin. If he is, the skins owe him an explanation, don't they. Someone stated that we are better w/out him in there? How does anyone know that, since he really hasn't played in the system. He at least deserves an explanation. I've got to believe GW knows alot more than we do, but at least tell him why he only plays 4 plays a game for a 3 time probowler. I truly feel bad for the guy.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

Dare I say rings of the Ramsey/Brunell situation.

The coaches are playing the guy they feel gives them what they're looking for... even if it's not the most popular decision.

Re: Lavar on 980 @ 4pm
 

brunell/ramsey are fairly even, lavar/anyone but washington ARENT close... unless the injury has changed him in some significant way.