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OH Yes those very talented linebackers looked so good today...they were all just where they were supposed to be ....as mr williams says ...it takes alot of discipline.... they were there and they were there as denver ran right by their asses.....the LB's lost this game today... they played horrible.... mean while LaVar sat there. And We had so much pressure on Jake...what a genius Mr Williams is.....

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I dont knwo about anyone else, but I thought Marcus Washington, as usual, had a outstanding game. I didnt think Lamar had a bad game really. Holdman was unspectacular, but I never really point him out for doing anything wrong; it was hard to tell who blew assignments on those TD runs, so who knows.

But I agree, I think Lavar needs some PT. Its rediculous that a guy of his calibur is on the sidelines when we are getting run over.

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Easy there cowboy... It was a tough loss, but let's not go throwing blame around. I'm one of the ones that would've liked to see LA out there and want to see him playing, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that we would've won the game otherwise. I don't think we did horribly on D, but our D-line is far more suspect than the LBs. Plus our Secondary is all banged up and starting Jimoh and a Rookie.

Dont go jumping off the bandwagon just yet/

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I dont knwo about anyone else, but I thought Marcus Washington, as usual, had a outstanding game. I didnt think Lamar had a bad game really. Holdman was unspectacular, but I never really point him out for doing anything wrong; it was hard to tell who blew assignments on those TD runs, so who knows.

But I agree, I think Lavar needs some PT. Its rediculous that a guy of his calibur is on the sidelines when we are getting run over.[/QUOTE]

I'm in Texas so got stuck "watching" the game on NFL.com live stats and from the good folks in the warpath.net chat room (talk about multi-tasking)..........anyway most every play on defense had M. Washington making the tackle on defense.....it was like the guy was playing the Broncos all alone........he deserves to return to the Pro-Bowl.

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I think our whole d is in shambles. our d line couldn't pressure jake today, our linebackers played ok, except for holdman, who i feel should be on the bench instead of lavar, and our secondary is really banged up. If we're putting in ade jimoh, you know something's wrong. I thought it was a miracle play when he actually defended the deep ball for once, instead of letting it go right by him. We really need to sign someone, because this secondary, combined with our lack of pressure, could hurt us in the long run.

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Well you gotta give Jimoh alot of credit for that one play. That was perfect anticipation and coverage.

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jimoh did also give up a TD. Marshall didn't look like normal and again i failed to even hear Holdman's name(unlike his back-up,i hear his name a lot)

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Now we're doubting Williams??

Give me a break.

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[QUOTE=mooby]I think our whole d is in shambles. our d line couldn't pressure jake today, our linebackers played ok, except for holdman, who i feel should be on the bench instead of lavar, and our secondary is really banged up. If we're putting in ade jimoh, you know something's wrong. I thought it was a miracle play when he actually defended the deep ball for once, instead of letting it go right by him. We really need to sign someone, because this secondary, combined with our lack of pressure, could hurt us in the long run.[/QUOTE]

part of the problem is that the cornerbacks are critical in Williams's defense, because they are forced to cover the wide receiver one-on-one as extra players are sent to pressure the quarterback. Our defense suffered because of injuries to Springs and Harris..........

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Now we're doubting Williams??

Give me a break.[/QUOTE]

Seriously wtf. Of course were gonna have some bad calls here and there, but Denver just ran the right play against that one Tatum Bell TD run; and on the other one, Williams had the right playcall and Daniels just missed the tackle.

I think Arrington should be playing, I want him playing, but I dont see him at practice everyday, so I dont know.

As a whole though, I'm very concerned about our defense if both Harris and Springs are out next week. Even if we have one, I think its a huge, huge upgrade to uh oh Jimoh.

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Let's not forget how nasty the field was, it makes tackling a little hard.

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i know this is a loss but our TEAM played AMAZING! Our defense did very well and the broncos threw for less than 100 yards!! less than 100!! wait we threw for over 300 yards and picked up nearly 450 total yards on the NUMBER SIX defense in the league. i don't understand why there isn't any positive threads. If you told me during the offseason that we would have this type of offensive production against a top 10 D that was ranked right behind ours i would be thrilled. Also if i was told that we were gonna go 3-1 and lead our division at this time i would also be thrilled.

NO doubt no f'n doubt in my mind that we can take KC. This game was huge for us, we can play offense. That is right bitches we can play offense. The REDSKINS can play offense with the best of them and still AND STILL have a top ten defense that can hold teams under 300 yards. We go to KC and kick ass, we come home and kick ass and then we face a big game against the gints and we beat them there too. I see us winning atleast two of the next four and moving to a respectable 5-3 and if we win 3 we are 6-2 and tops in our division STILL as long as one of those games is the GINTS.

WE are reborn, we aren't your joe gibbs first year redskins, we are the new redskins, the 2005 playoff redskins

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if both springs and harris are out for next weeks game, we definitely need to sign a replacement. kansas city has a great passing attack, one that would embarress ade jimoh to the point where he won't show his face in d.c. again. there is no way in hell that i'd be comfortable with ade jimoh starting next week.

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Green has actually been stuggling, the KC passing attack doesn't scare me much this year.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]i know this is a loss but our TEAM played AMAZING! Our defense did very well and the broncos threw for less than 100 yards!! less than 100!! wait we threw for over 300 yards and picked up nearly 450 total yards on the NUMBER SIX defense in the league. i don't understand why there isn't any positive threads. If you told me during the offseason that we would have this type of offensive production against a top 10 D that was ranked right behind ours i would be thrilled. Also if i was told that we were gonna go 3-1 and lead our division at this time i would also be thrilled.

NO doubt no f'n doubt in my mind that we can take KC. This game was huge for us, we can play offense. That is right bitches we can play offense. The REDSKINS can play offense with the best of them and still AND STILL have a top ten defense that can hold teams under 300 yards. We go to KC and kick ass, we come home and kick ass and then we face a big game against the gints and we beat them there too. I see us winning atleast two of the next four and moving to a respectable 5-3 and if we win 3 we are 6-2 and tops in our division STILL as long as one of those games is the GINTS.

WE are reborn, we aren't your joe gibbs first year redskins, we are the new redskins, the 2005 playoff redskins[/QUOTE]

Matty posted a thread stating that he hadn't felt this good after a loss and I concur with him. No need to blame anyone. They will have a lot of film to look at make the neccessary adjustments for the future. This was a nasty game with weather conditions not favoring us. But it definitely showed me that Brunell is for real and has the ability to lead this team far into the playoff picture. Don't count on Moss dropping any easy passes next week.

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this thread sounds like the cowboys fans after we beat em come on guys pull it together we played good enoughj to beat a tough broncos team I think we'll only get better, but look alot of team would get hosed by teams with the secondary we were putting out there and wer still only lost by 2 pts

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]i know this is a loss but our TEAM played AMAZING! Our defense did very well and the broncos threw for less than 100 yards!! less than 100!! wait we threw for over 300 yards and picked up nearly 450 total yards on the NUMBER SIX defense in the league. i don't understand why there isn't any positive threads. If you told me during the offseason that we would have this type of offensive production against a top 10 D that was ranked right behind ours i would be thrilled. Also if i was told that we were gonna go 3-1 and lead our division at this time i would also be thrilled.

NO doubt no f'n doubt in my mind that we can take KC. This game was huge for us, we can play offense. That is right bitches we can play offense. The REDSKINS can play offense with the best of them and still AND STILL have a top ten defense that can hold teams under 300 yards. We go to KC and kick ass, we come home and kick ass and then we face a big game against the gints and we beat them there too. I see us winning atleast two of the next four and moving to a respectable 5-3 and if we win 3 we are 6-2 and tops in our division STILL as long as one of those games is the GINTS.

WE are reborn, we aren't your joe gibbs first year redskins, we are the new redskins, the 2005 playoff redskins[/QUOTE]

that's nice and all about the stats that we put up, but the only one i'm interested in is the win-loss stat. i'd much rather take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.

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This loss was very disappointing. The Skins totalling outplayed the Broncos in every way except for on the scoreboard (time of possesion, total yards, third down conversions). The Broncos had two big plays and those were a result of piss-poor tackling and LINEBACKERS being out of position. Something PERSONAL is going on here. There is no rational explanation for Levar Arrington being on the bench. I've yet to see Holdman make an impact play. I've been watching very closely. He sometimes make routine plays, sometimes miss tackles and sometimes runs himself out of the play. I would rather see Arrington making the occational BIG HIT then seeing some guy that MIGHT make a routine play. When Arrington is in on the play, someone is going down HARD and sometimes the ball gets jarred loose. Holdman doesn't have that ability. At best he can bring the man down. The Skins are not creating enough turnovers. On a lousy field with lousy playing conditions, I expect a few balls to be jarred loose. Right now, Sean Taylor is the only big hitter out there. The other guy is on the BENCH! What Hell is going on?

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Wow. We go into mile-high, where no road teams win, and almost pull it out. Our D missed two big plays. That sucks. It's disappointing. But we had a shot, and if we don't get robbed on the safety, we're kicking a PAT for the win. So, yeah, those long runs were disturbing, but overall, the D played well, without either starting corner.

If this is how WIlliams wants the D, then I am ok with it. Lavar is not a magic bullet. What's more important is the TEAM--you do it in practice, and you get to play on Sunday. DOesn't matter what number is on the back of your uniform. I love Lavar. But I respect our coaching staff--if this is their decision, I'm behind it.

But come on, this was a tough road game. We almost pulled it out. Why not just stick with what we've got, and keep working hard? This "let's change this, let's change that" tactic isn't always the solution. SOmetimes you take a loss, you pick your head up, and play harder next week.

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We continue to have problems with our D-line...the DT and DE positions need serious upgrading but we did not want to do that this year....Oh well, Let us pray Harris and Springs are back soon. We need Harris as a back up to Rogers and Springs. Jimoh can not figure what to do from one play to the next. He either gets burned for a TD or stops one.

We need an upgrade at LB but I know who could upgrade that position quickly but GW and JG are still mad at him for comments he made in negotiations and in the offseason I think.

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two injured corners cost us the game i think, but we kept it close and almost pulled it out. I think healthy harris + springs at least saves ONE of the TD runs or prevents the TD pass that jimoh got burnt on.

Either way, there's no reason to turn into "the sky is falling" iggle fan mode, we're not going to go 16-0 and we barely lost to a very good team. We were in it right up to the last minute too.

A great DE could definately help our defense, but i think another good corner would be more useful (some of us have been ragging on the lack of depth there since smoot left). I would have rather seen wilds out there than jimoh for sure.

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[QUOTE=mooby]that's nice and all about the stats that we put up, but the only one i'm interested in is the win-loss stat. i'd much rather take an ugly win over a pretty loss any day.[/QUOTE]o ofcourse i don't care if we look ugly all the way to the superbowl as long as we win but when we do lose to a good team it is more comforting that it came with a good performance

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Now we're doubting Williams??

Give me a break.[/QUOTE]

Best post of the thread.

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[QUOTE=PFunk26]this thread sounds like the cowboys fans after we beat em [/QUOTE]

And look what the Cowboys did to the elite Eagles yesterday.

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I'm not downing the Skins I am very proud they played great.... the defense played well ... i saw some weakness in the LB and i'm an Lavar fan....thats all...but i am not saying the skins suck or anything like that they played very well.....

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[QUOTE=railcon56@comcast.net]the LB's lost this game today... they played horrible.... mean while LaVar sat there. And We had so much pressure on Jake...what a genius Mr Williams is.....[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I disagree with this entire assessment.

IF, however, you are simply saying the LB's could have played better - well, yes, yes they could, but so could the entire team. I just don't think you can pin this one on the LB's. How about CP's fumble? The "take back" on the safety? Or the offsides on the kick at half time (didja notice it would have been good?).

Would they have played better with LaVar? dunno, never gonna know. Maybe LaVar is out of position on those same two game breaking runs. Lavar? Out of position? Why - that could NEVER happen!

Also, we clearly had enough pressure on Plummer to keep him under 100 yards. Not a bad day's defense of the pass.

As for the sarcastic remark towards GW - well, that's just plain dumb. The man creates killer defenses from back-ups. !!!HE HELD DENVER TO <100 yards PASSING WITH ADE JIMOH AS HIS STARTING CORNER!!!! That alone makes him not just a "genius" but a "fucking Genius"

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]I would rather see Arrington making the occational BIG HIT then seeing some guy that MIGHT make a routine play. When Arrington is in on the play, someone is going down HARD and sometimes the ball gets jarred loose. Holdman doesn't have that ability. At best he can bring the man down.[/QUOTE]

Sorry - have we learned nothing? This is a TEAM game. Haven't we seen how this defense relies on playing the assignment? I would rather have the guy make the routine play - ROUTINELY! Then a guy who makes a spectacular hit one play but blows routine coverages or assignments and allows the other side to make multiple big plays.

Sure LaVar is an incredible talent - but, if he is not playing his assignments, in this defense, he will cost us more big plays than he makes.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Now we're doubting Williams??

Give me a break.[/QUOTE]

MORNING Fella's, is this the Brunell/Ramsey thread?

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[QUOTE=Hog1]MORNING Fella's, is this the Brunell/Ramsey thread?[/QUOTE]

exactly.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Sorry - have we learned nothing? This is a TEAM game. Haven't we seen how this defense relies on playing the assignment? I would rather have the guy make the routine play - ROUTINELY! Then a guy who makes a spectacular hit one play but blows routine coverages or assignments and allows the other side to make multiple big plays.

Sure LaVar is an incredible talent - but, if he is not playing his assignments, in this defense, he will cost us more big plays than he makes.[/QUOTE]

How do we know if Levar is playing his assignments. He doesn't even get a chance. I'm not that overly impressed with Holdman that Arrington doesn't even get a shot, at lease on third downs. This is CRAZY!

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]How do we know if Levar is playing his assignments. He doesn't even get a chance. I'm not that overly impressed with Holdman that Arrington doesn't even get a shot, at lease on third downs. This is CRAZY![/QUOTE]

The point is we don't need to know if he's playing his assignments or not, the only guy that needs to know is Gregg Williams, and he obviously doesn't like what he's seen from LaVar in practice.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]How do we know if Levar is playing his assignments. He doesn't even get a chance. I'm not that overly impressed with Holdman that Arrington doesn't even get a shot, at lease on third downs. This is CRAZY![/QUOTE]

Because he has a history of freelancing (remember Marvin Lewis? Seems LA had the same problems playing for him). Because GW has said "you play like you practice". Because (according to an earlier post on this thread) LA is not playing his assignments in practice.

[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]I'm not that overly impressed with Holdman that Arrington doesn't even get a shot, at lease on third downs. This is CRAZY![/QUOTE]

I have yet to see a replay where anyone pointed out that Holdman was out of position. I have yet to hear ANYONE on the Skins even reference Holdman as being out of place. Clearly Holdman is not flashy - just consistent. I'll take that any day of the week.

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I thought the guy most out of place on the first Tatum Bell run was Carlos Rogers. On a sweep the corner has to maintain outside containment on the play and drive the RB back towards the center of the field. Rogers' primary responsibility was to get his ass to the sidelines and not let Bell get the edge. But I think Rod Smith was blocking Rogers and moved him toward the center of the field, which then gave Bell the edge.

Now Rod Smith is a hell of a blocker, that's for sure. He's a complete WR. But the rookie needs to learn that if the safeties are blitzing like they were on that play, then he's the last line of defense on runs to the edge.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Because he has a history of freelancing (remember Marvin Lewis? Seems LA had the same problems playing for him). Because GW has said "you play like you practice". Because (according to an earlier post on this thread) LA is not playing his assignments in practice.



I have yet to see a replay where anyone pointed out that Holdman was out of position. I have yet to hear ANYONE on the Skins even reference Holdman as being out of place. Clearly Holdman is flashy - just consistent. I'll take that any day of the week.[/QUOTE]

It is also interesting to note. I personally, have not heard, or read of anyone on the skins (or close to ) team even remotely (or anonymously) imply or dispute that GW's decision regarding lavar is improper, incorrect, or personally motivated in any way. LA is a talent, and will no-doubt rise to fame in GW's system. He apparently needs to apply himself to Gregs system. GW is a Jedi-master D-guy. There is no ground argument to be made

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I wonder if this post would've even existed if we played like we did but ended up winning?

I would love to see Gregg Williams be the replacement for Joe Gibbs, that's how much I trust his decisions and his ability to call the shots. But at the same time, I still feel that LaVar should have at least some sort of presence on the field. Denver's Offense was pretty fast yesterday and we needed LaVar's speed and agility on the field yesterday.

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If you have to lose, you might as well lose to an AFC team. That said, there are a number of people on this thread who refuse to assign blame to anyone. I'd have to disagree. You can't make excuses either.

For one, opposing teams seem to be impervious to committing turnovers against the Redskins. This has to stop. While we're getting better committing turnovers on offense, (down to one a game), at some point the defense must do more to force fumbles or something. The -5 differential will catch up to this team.

Then there's special teams. Is it really too much to ask for our special teams to at least [I]set up [/I] a long return so the offense can get a short field just once a game? I'm not asking for a TD return, though it sure would be nice. Betts simply finds a pile to run into on his returns, while Thrash's only positive is that he's less likely to fumble. Anybody secretly wondering why we let Chad Morton go?

Even if Springs and Harris were in the lineup, one has to wonder whether they would have made any impact on corner blitzes, because even those don't seem to be effective anymore in hurrying the quarterback. I guess it's also too much to ask for some pressure from the defensive line, isn't it?

The lack of a pass rush, and the inability to force turnovers are the main weak spots of this defense. If these issues aren't resolved, along with better special teams play, reality will start catching up to the Redskins in a hurry.

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[QUOTE=TDSkins]Denver's Offense was pretty fast yesterday and we needed LaVar's speed and agility on the field yesterday.[/QUOTE]

Well there were times when they just pushed that D around physically.... they just looked anemic to me.. and slow... oh but they knew their assignments....

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]
The lack of a pass rush, and the inability to force turnovers are the main weak spots of this defense. If these issues aren't resolved, along with better special teams play, reality will start catching up to the Redskins in a hurry.[/QUOTE]

Exactly thats all i was saying D plays good ... but give a Good QB that much time and see what happens....

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]If you have to lose, you might as well lose to an AFC team. That said, there are a number of people on this thread who refuse to assign blame to anyone. I'd have to disagree. You can't make excuses either.

For one, opposing teams seem to be impervious to committing turnovers against the Redskins. This has to stop. While we're getting better committing turnovers on offense, (down to one a game), at some point the defense must do more to force fumbles or something. The -5 differential will catch up to this team.

Then there's special teams. Is it really too much to ask for our special teams to at least [i]set up [/i]a long return so the offense can get a short field just once a game? I'm not asking for a TD return, though it sure would be nice. Betts simply finds a pile to run into on his returns, while Thrash's only positive is that he's less likely to fumble. Anybody secretly wondering why we let Chad Morton go?
Even if Springs and Harris were in the lineup, one has to wonder whether they would have made any impact on corner blitzes, because even those don't seem to be effective anymore in hurrying the quarterback. I guess it's also too much to ask for some pressure from the defensive line, isn't it?

The lack of a pass rush, and the inability to force turnovers are the main weak spots of this defense. If these issues aren't resolved, along with better special teams play, reality will start catching up to the Redskins in a hurry.[/QUOTE]


I have to agree with most of that. As much as I trust Williams, and would not presume to know better, I miss the jailbreak blitz's we saw so often last season. Have we collected any INT'S? I too, would to see us on the plus side of takeaway's. Lack of pressure on the QB is driving me crazy. I wonder what.................Dexter Manley is up to (or is it in for?). We need a pass rushing end, or a couple of em'. Lavar could help with that if he can make peace with Greg's plan. I know this will change, just impatient

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Bottom line. We need a pass rush, and Lavar can certainly do that. If GW does not want him in pass coverage, fine, just put him in on obvious blitzing plays. Let him make something happen.