Good Outing For LaVar
 

Needless to say LaVar made his presence felt with his first extended playing time of the season. Let's hope his play continues to develop as the competition gets better in the coming weeks. Good game today however, and I hope this is the beginning of our discussions not being dominated by the topic of him not playing.

Go Skins!!!!

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It was great to see LaVar out there making plays, he was a force and we really need him to keep that up going forward.

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It would be great to see him reach his potential for the first time this year. With our D being as strong as it is, he could push us to the next level.

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I was glad Lavar made the most of his opportunities on the field today! We need him playing like that...especially next week.

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big props to lavar. we were definitely a better defense with him on the field.

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yeah,glad to see him get his feet wet,would have been great to get a sack out of him,I wish he would develop a spin move,he's got the speed,when he tries to bullrush he looks like he gets blocked easily,but great performance today out of the team,does anybody know who lavar replaces when he's on the field?

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It was great to see Lavar on the field. The guy just makes plays. He could be just what we need to move up to the next level. Hopefully that is just what we did today!

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LaVar is a beast and everyone knows that he just had to earn his time like everyone else. Remember Sean Taylor had to earn his starting position back after being placed on the 3rd string. To tell you the truth the sky is the limit for us with the offense clicking on all cylinders it is bad news for the rest of the league. Finally, trade Patrick for a de.(John Abraham)

Lavar is back!!
 

Great game by LA. Good interview on skins.com after the game in the locker room. I think G. Williams has had a secret agenda to hold him back like a rabid dog on a leash and to let him loose today, get his reps, only to get him ready to absolutely wreak havoc next week at NY. That's my conspiracy theory anyway.
***Sorry for the double post. The others weren't viewable when I posted this for some reason. Can you merge this Matty??***

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Lavar proves that we need this guy down the stretch to win the big games, he probably will hurt Eli or McNabb, and change the whole NFC East for us.......welcome back Lavar

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He was a beast today. Best player on the field offense or defense. I was supportive of their decision to sit him and I am supportive of their decision to play him. Obviously they know something about football. What a day for #56. Shoulda heard the crowd when he came in on the first 2nd down. Awesome.

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a backup QB isn't worth a starting pass-rushing end. at least not one that'd be a big enough upgrade to be worth pursuing.

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Do you hear all the Lavar haters from the last couple of weeks running to jump on his bandwagon?

Lame. I think keeping Lavar off the field for so long made him even more hungry and contributed to his big game today. But I also feel that he could have had the same effect on the Denver and KC games had he been in there.

Either way, its good to have him back out there.

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Great to see Lavar on the field and playing very well Sunday. I think with his team leading tackles and his ferocius tendencies we'll see alot more of him in the weeks to come. I hope his knee is ready. Look forward to the next 2 weeks. HUGE games. Gee, funny how Gibbs and Williams seem to know what they're doing right now... I love our TEAM!!!

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Luxorreb: I don't think this was a question about the knee as much as it was Arrington's willingness to play within Williams' system and do his job. And as far as Williams and Gibbs knowing what their doing, I don't really think they're doing much different from last year- just dictating to the players that they are coaches and they will direct the team.

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lavar , i missed you. you are the emontional leader of the d, and now that you have submited to the d coach. skys the limit at what you and this can accomplish.great game.

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[QUOTE=drew54]Do you hear all the Lavar haters from the last couple of weeks running to jump on his bandwagon?

Lame. I think keeping Lavar off the field for so long made him even more hungry and contributed to his big game today. But I also feel that he could have had the same effect on the Denver and KC games had he been in there.

Either way, its good to have him back out there.[/QUOTE]
You should go back read the posts by these 'haters' before you start shooting off at the mouth.

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LaVar is only going to get better as the year goes on...

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[QUOTE=cpayne5]You should go back read the posts by these 'haters' before you start shooting off at the mouth.[/QUOTE]

I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone tried to call out the LaVar 'haters'.

I can only speak for myself, and once again I wasn't hating on LaVar, I simply supported the decision to sit him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I can only speak for myself, and once again I wasn't hating on LaVar, I simply supported the decision to sit him.[/QUOTE]

Yup, exactly.

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I agree. People REALLY just LOVE the "told-ya-so".

We're all friends here, just be satisfied in your mind if you feel the need to call people out. Otherwise things will get ugly and it'll be negative things to read through when we just won fifty-freakin'-two to seventeen!! WOOHOO.

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I am one to say the "told ya so" I couldn't wait to get on here today and see what all of "trade LaVar, sit him, cut him" people had to say. you know who you are, and I remember who you are. I have been the most outspoken supporter of LA since all this crap started happening. I just hope its not an allusion, and Gibbs and Co. have him sitting again next week.

LA looked awesome. He was all over the field. and how bout this, only played about 20 snaps, maybe 50%, and still led the team in tackles. The man is a beast, and I will gladly accept all apologies from those who dogged me and railcon56 over the last several weeks!!
GREAT GAME TEAM!!!

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I am one to say the "told ya so" I couldn't wait to get on here today and see what all of "trade LaVar, sit him, cut him" people had to say. you know who you are, and I remember who you are. I have been the most outspoken supporter of LA since all this crap started happening. I just hope its not an allusion, and Gibbs and Co. have him sitting again next week.

LA looked awesome. He was all over the field. and how bout this, only played about 20 snaps, maybe 50%, and still led the team in tackles. The man is a beast, and I will gladly accept all apologies from those who dogged me and railcon56 over the last several weeks!!
GREAT GAME TEAM!!![/QUOTE]

LaVar needs to be playing and all the time. I wonder if we wouldn't be 5-1 or
6-0 had he been playing during the two losses. Oh well, we'll never know. I'm just glad he's finally been allowed out of the doghouse. I didn't agree with the decision to bench him and couldn't understand why it was being done. But, hopefully, that's history now. We need him now because the opponents only get tougher.

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I've never supported the decision to sit Lavar, and this game makes my point for me. He's a playmaker, he makes things happen, and he should be on the field 100% of the time. Period.

We can speculate that his play against the 9ers was inspired by his recent benching.....maybe that's the case, maybe it's not. I honestly don't care as long as #56 gets on the field.

I will say this, however. The way he played yesterday makes me wish he was in there to chase down Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, and Tatum Bell in our last two losses. I'm just saying...

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]I just hope its not an allusion, and Gibbs and Co. have him sitting again next week.

LA looked awesome. He was all over the field. and how bout this, only played about 20 snaps, maybe 50%, and still led the team in tackles. The man is a beast, and I will gladly accept all apologies from those who dogged me and railcon56 over the last several weeks!!
GREAT GAME TEAM!!![/QUOTE]

It'll be hard for the coaching staff to use the "he's not getting it" excuse after a performance like that. Holdman has 14 total tackles on the season, averaging about 2.2 per game... LaVar had 9 total tackles [b]yesterday[/b], hmmm...

And just so you know, you're never going to hear an apology for the LaVar haters because everyone will magically forget the remarks they made about the defense being better without him, or him being overrated, etc. Just be happy that he's playing and playing well.

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If anyone doubts what "56" brings to the table needs to look at the 49ers game again. The enthusiasm that he brings to the defense is infectious. The D-line, linebackers and secondary was flying to the ball. The whole defense played at a higher level. Welcome home Levar! Look out Eli!

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LaVar did the talking like i knew he would!!!! No need to say anything for me...Except you saw a tired rusty LaVar yesterday who didnt even play the whole game.... Stay Tuned!!! The Giants and Eagles have to change their whole offensive game plans ...now that Mr. Arrington is back!!!!

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]It'll be hard for the coaching staff to use the "he's not getting it" excuse after a performance like that. Holdman has 14 total tackles on the season, averaging about 2.2 per game... LaVar had 9 total tackles [b]yesterday[/b], hmmm...

And just so you know, you're never going to hear an apology for the LaVar haters because everyone will magically forget the remarks they made about the defense being better without him, or him being overrated, etc. Just be happy that he's playing and playing well.[/QUOTE]
Do you people even read the board?

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[QUOTE=cpayne5]Do you people even read the board?[/QUOTE]

LOL I was thinking the same thing

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Funny how I don't seem to remember many 'haters' of Lavar. Seemed like us so called 'haters' were simply SUPPORTERS of the coaches and you all were the 'haters'. The 'haters' of the coaches. Anyone wanna get in a discussion about whether we'd be 1-5 if Lavar had played more early on? It's just as speculative of a discussion as the told-ya-so statements that we'd be 5-1 or 6-0. Is it possible that maybe the time sitting out prepared him him to play well when he finally came in? Is it possible he'd have been a detriment prior to yesterday without the sitting out? It's all speculation so maybe we ought to lay off the told-ya-so stuff since no one can win an argument that has no possible outcome. We can't go back and find out now can we?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Funny how I don't seem to remember many 'haters' of Lavar. Seemed like us so called 'haters' were simply SUPPORTERS of the coaches and you all were the 'haters'. The 'haters' of the coaches. Anyone wanna get in a discussion about whether we'd be 1-5 if Lavar had played more early on? It's just as speculative of a discussion as the told-ya-so statements that we'd be 5-1 or 6-0. Is it possible that maybe the time sitting out prepared him him to play well when he finally came in? Is it possible he'd have been a detriment prior to yesterday without the sitting out? It's all speculation so maybe we ought to lay off the told-ya-so stuff since no one can win an argument that has no possible outcome. We can't go back and find out now can we?[/QUOTE]
Well done.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Funny how I don't seem to remember many 'haters' of Lavar. Seemed like us so called 'haters' were simply SUPPORTERS of the coaches and you all were the 'haters'. The 'haters' of the coaches. Anyone wanna get in a discussion about whether we'd be 1-5 if Lavar had played more early on? It's just as speculative of a discussion as the told-ya-so statements that we'd be 5-1 or 6-0. Is it possible that maybe the time sitting out prepared him him to play well when he finally came in? Is it possible he'd have been a detriment prior to yesterday without the sitting out? It's all speculation so maybe we ought to lay off the told-ya-so stuff since no one can win an argument that has no possible outcome. We can't go back and find out now can we?[/QUOTE]

Preach on brother.

Bottom line is we're all fans of the Skins, and LaVar is undoubtedly their most popular player. I had my LaVar jersey blazin' on Friday at work and all day yesterday.

Instead of playing this silly game of 'I told you so' how about we just get back to being fans and supporting our TEAM.

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Right. Which is what I was trying to say in the first place... :frusty:

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[QUOTE=cpayne5]Do you people even read the board?[/QUOTE]

That's funny. I didn't name anyone specifically, but since I'm being called out, here you go.

[QUOTE=Exoffender]With LA in the lineup we'd probably would have given up more 30+ yard TD runs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=offiss]Lavar on the bench is really know surprise, he was the most overated player in football, except now everyone knows it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=skinsguy]Funny, but for all the newly acquired Gregg Williams haters, take away those three big plays and look how solid this defense has been WITHOUT Lavar Arrington.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=heybigstar]I sincerely doubt Lavar Arrington is the same player as he was before. If he cant be a better pass-rushing threat than Chris Clemons, something is seriously wrong. Gregg Williams puts on the field the players that give him the best chance of winning.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for picking on skinsguy and bigstar, because about 90% of you made this kind of comment. Theirs were just the most direct that I found. And many others masked their comments with phrases like "I like LaVar, but...", so I left those out. As I said, everyone magically forgets the comments they made dissing LaVar and his ability, but if everyone agreed on the subject, why were the LaVar threads 20 pages long?

As a side note, I could care less if anyone retracts anything they said about LaVar. I was just explaining to #56fanatic not to expect any. Although, I do think it's funny that many of the Brunell haters(myself included) were more than willing to accept that we were wrong about him, but no one wants to admit that they were the least bit wrong about LaVar.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]That's funny. I didn't name anyone specifically, but since I'm being called out, here you go.









Sorry for picking on skinsguy and bigstar, because about 90% of you made this kind of comment. Theirs were just the most direct that I found. And many others masked their comments with phrases like "I like LaVar, but...", so I left those out. As I said, everyone magically forgets the comments they made dissing LaVar and his ability, but if everyone agreed on the subject, why were the LaVar threads 20 pages long?

As a side note, I could care less if anyone retracts anything they said about LaVar. I was just explaining to #56fanatic not to expect any. Although, I do think it's funny that many of the Brunell haters(myself included) were more than willing to accept that were were wrong about him, but no one wants to admit that they were the least bit wrong about LaVar.[/QUOTE]

Don't know if I'd go so far as to say these were all "LaVar haters" but the tone of the comments were certainly not pro-LaVar. We, who were LaVar fans, were being accused of not being true Skins fans because we dared to question the coaches. Seems to be a common theme on this board.

I also strongly criticized Gibbs for the benching of Ramsey and reinstatement of Brunell as the starter. I have since posted that Brunell has proven me wrong and I am extremely happy to admit that I was wrong and that Brunell has done so well.

LaVar proved yesterday that he is still one of their best playmakers and should have been playing all along. I can't help but believe that we would have won at least one of the games we lost, had he been in the game.

Let's hope the LaVar controversy is behind us - that is, let's hope GW doesn't make the mistake of sitting him down again.

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Excuse me but WTF? Generalizing the arguments is somewhat silly to do but if you're going to do it then do it correctly. I think if you looked through everything that was said (good luck that'll take you all day) the main argument was that people trusted the coaches. Not that Arrington wasn't any good. Saying 90% of us said similar things is simply untrue.

And to rebutt your rebutts.
Exoffender: I'll give you this one.
Offiss: A perrenial Arrington anti-fan. You get no points for him since he has never been a big fan.
Skinsguy: How is is this hating on Lavar?
Heybigstar: Again how is pointing out a fact bashing Lavar? He simply made a statement of opinion based on fact. He wasn't questioning Lavar's ability in general. I'll be generous and give you 1/2 a point for this one.

So roughly only 37.5% of your supporting statements actually support you in my opinion.

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There's a difference in the Lavar saga vs the Brunell/Ramsey situation. In the Brunell/Ramsey controversy fans either sided with Brunell or Ramsey (one player or another).. In this Lavar situation fans sided with a player Lavar or the Team. Those like myself that sided with the team didn't take this opinion because we felt Lavar sucked or the Holdman was a better athlete. The reason I sided with the team/coaches is they have proven they KNOW WHAT THERE DOING!!!

For example Moss for Coles we thought they were crazy....

Brunell starting over Ramsey we thought they were crazy...

Bottom their not crazy and is why Gibbs is in the HOF.

Lavar kicked ass yesterday im happy to say. Im not rooting against him! I am rooting for the Skins and well never know if holding Lavar out was the right decision or not. Who knows maybe it was his fault for the two TD's runs on his side and GW put him back on the pine. I hope not.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Skinsguy: How is is this hating on Lavar?
Heybigstar: Again how is pointing out a fact bashing Lavar? He simply made a statement of opinion based on fact. He wasn't questioning Lavar's ability in general. I'll be generous and give you 1/2 a point for this one.[/QUOTE]

I included these two because they covered the general population of people that were "coach supporters" who made comments that the defense was better off without him because the coaches said so. Not because they were LaVar bashing comments. And I'll give a lot of these people credit, because many of them began changing their tone following the two losses.

As I said, all I was trying to do was tell #56fanatic not to expect any retractions and people acted like I was retarded and everyone has always been pro LaVar, which was obviously not the case.

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It is amazing to see how the people who were not wrong about saying LaVar was overrated, trade him all that crap are still not wrong. Now instead of us LaVar fans being right about him, we are wrong for going off on the coaches for the past few weeks. It seems we are fighting a no win battle with some people. I for one will admit when I am wrong about things, as I was about the Brunell thing(fortunately I was not on here when that was going on). I was, and still am, a fan of Ramsey. I was adimit about him playing last year, and was on the wagon "Brunell sucks, get rid of him" but HE has proven me wrong, along with alot of Ramsey fans. I wish I had to time to go back and find all the crap that was said about my rants regarding LaVar and repost the negative things that came back to me. Boy, how things change after one week. Granted this was one game, and against a weak team, but Holdman still played the majority of the D snaps and I haven't looked at his stats, but no where near LaVars. thats OK LaVar fans, we all know who has been supporting our #56!!

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[QUOTE=LadyT]Don't know if I'd go so far as to say these were all "LaVar haters" but the tone of the comments were certainly not pro-LaVar. We, who were LaVar fans, were being accused of not being true Skins fans because we dared to question the coaches. Seems to be a common theme on this board.[/QUOTE]
You're probably right. It is a strong theme around this board to support the coaches and the team rather than individual players. And there is nothing wrong with questioning coaches as long as you can at least admit that you have very little idea what the heck you're talking about. The biggest issues are that many people question moves by the coaches based on what seems like mostly emotion and can't admit that maybe Gibbs and co. know a smidge more about this team and how to win football games in general a lot more than any of us. I am not talking specifically about you or anyone actually but just a general type of person who seem to always gripe about moves based on liking players rather than the team first.