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12thMan 11-18-2005 09:12 AM

Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
According to the WP Taylor Jacobs will start this Sunday in place of an injured David Patten.

How much of an impact do you guys think Jacobs will make, and can he keep the starting job from here on out?

I've been a little critical of him not living up to his potential and all, but I would love to see this guy get it going and help this team down the stretch.

cpayne5 11-18-2005 09:26 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Jacobs has good hands, runs good routes, and gets good separation. He has all the tools. Now he must get into synch with Brunell and use them. A lot has been made of his apparent fragility, but for the most part his injuries are flukes. One should go back and really examine his history and the injuries that he's had.

gibbsisgod 11-18-2005 09:35 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
I ,for One, Think Its Time For Tj To Step Up. We Really Need Another Wr To Have Some Kind Of Contibution For This Offense. When We Do Get Some Catches Out Of The Other Wr's Then Moss Is Going To Be That Much Better

Southpaw 11-18-2005 09:44 AM

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[QUOTE=cpayne5]Jacobs has good hands, runs good routes, and gets good separation. He has all the tools. [/QUOTE]

Michael Westbrook had all the tools to be an elite receiver in the same mold as T.O. or Randy Moss, but that amounted to one decent season in the seven he was here. Jacobs is in the same boat. He seems to be missing that final intangible piece that makes an exceptional college player into a good NFL player. At this point, I'd just be happy if he could become a legitimate third option, and pull in 40 catches a year.

TheMalcolmConnection 11-18-2005 09:55 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
I hate to say that Patten being hurt might be a blessing in disguise, but I think that it really is. I think Jacobs will FINALLY show us what type of player he is.

gibbsisgod 11-18-2005 09:58 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=Southpaw]Michael Westbrook had all the tools to be an elite receiver in the same mold as T.O. or Randy Moss, but that amounted to one decent season in the seven he was here. Jacobs is in the same boat. He seems to be missing that final intangible piece that makes an exceptional college player into a good NFL player. At this point, I'd just be happy if he could become a legitimate third option, and pull in 40 catches a year.[/QUOTE]I AGREE,40 CATCHES WOULD BE AWESOME

#56fanatic 11-18-2005 10:24 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Jacobs impressed all the coaches with his offseason work with the WR coaches. He really improved his route running and knowledge of the game plans. He did extra film study and worked his butt off in the weight room. I think it may be a good time to see what he is made of. Our #2 receiver (patten) really hasn't contributed much this season. Jacobs has good speed and is our biggest receiver(6' 200 lbs). He could be pretty good at going across the middle and turning some slants into pretty big gains. I think he will make an impact this week. Players that have the opportunity to prove themselves in these situations usually step up to the plate. I have been waiting to see what this kid can do. Hopefully he does something that merits extensive playing time, because if he doesn't our #2 guy is going to be Thrash, OUCH!!!!!

celts32 11-18-2005 10:28 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Hopefully TJ does well enough so that they can't tripple cover Moss! I am down on TJ...I really don't expect much. He will probably get hurt again in the 1st quarter...

dmek25 11-18-2005 10:34 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
ever here the saying,be careful what you wish for?i think there are 2 kinds of nfl players,ones who play with pain,and ones on the sideline that are injured all the time.anyone can run great routes in practice.it is about time mr jacobs steps up and earns his money,otherwise he might be out of a job next season

joecrisp 11-18-2005 10:52 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=Southpaw]Michael Westbrook had all the tools to be an elite receiver in the same mold as T.O. or Randy Moss, but that amounted to one decent season in the seven he was here. Jacobs is in the same boat. He seems to be missing that final intangible piece that makes an exceptional college player into a good NFL player. At this point, I'd just be happy if he could become a legitimate third option, and pull in 40 catches a year.[/QUOTE]

Good point. Having watched TJ closely in camps over the past three years, I've been touting his abilities, and predicting great things from him. When you watch the guy working alongside the other receivers in practice, he stands out, because he really does possess so many of the attributes that make a receiver successful in the NFL.

But the one thing he seems to lack personality-wise-- and this is critical-- is that steely confidence and cocky self-assuredness that seems to always accompany today's outstanding receivers. Maybe that's one reason I've always liked the guy. But there's a reason so many great receivers-- Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Joe Horn, Chad Johnson, the list goes on-- exude such unmitigated self-confidence.

To play that position at that level, where they're able to dominate opposing secondaries and establish themselves as upper-echelon wideouts, they not only have to be superior athletes, but they have to possess an unwavering belief that they can mentally [I]and[/I] physically dominate defenders. You can see a little bit of that Jordan-esque killer instinct in any great wideout, whether they brashly proclaim their greatness or not. It's communicated in the way they carry themselves, the way they look people in the eye, their vocal and non-verbal mannerisms. It's something you sense, not just in the words they speak, but in their entire expression of who they are.

I simply don't see that in Taylor. He's not a commanding presence. He's just a quiet, soft-spoken farmboy from rural Florida. There's nothing remarkable about him physically, and his personality is so stealthily unobtrusive that he would virtually disappear in a room full of average people. One might get the sense that Jacobs' goal in life is to remain as inconspicuous as possible.

That could be a big detriment to him, holding him back on the depth chart, while others with "louder" personalities jockey for the attention of coaches, and lobby through the media for more playing time and more looks from the quarterback on gameday. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It could also be that, consciously or unconsiously, the coaches and quarterbacks interpret Taylor's lack of bravado as a lack of self-confidence. Why would they have any confidence in someone who apparently has little or no confidence in himself?

With Patten out of the picture this weekend, this is Taylor's opportunity to let his playmaking abilities speak for themselves. The question is, how loudly will they speak?

jermus22 11-18-2005 11:01 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Unique and insightful take, Joe. I agree that he has decent physical talent, but we need a chance to see him perform. If he doesn't step up to the challenge, especially against a mediocore Raiders D, he probably won't be with us next season.

12thMan 11-18-2005 11:20 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=joecrisp]Good point. Having watched TJ closely in camps over the past three years, I've been touting his abilities, and predicting great things from him. When you watch the guy working alongside the other receivers in practice, he stands out, because he really does possess so many of the attributes that make a receiver successful in the NFL.

But the one thing he seems to lack personality-wise-- and this is critical-- is that steely confidence and cocky self-assuredness that seems to always accompany today's outstanding receivers. Maybe that's one reason I've always liked the guy. But there's a reason so many great receivers-- Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Joe Horn, Chad Johnson, the list goes on-- exude such unmitigated self-confidence.

To play that position at that level, where they're able to dominate opposing secondaries and establish themselves as upper-echelon wideouts, they not only have to be superior athletes, but they have to possess an unwavering belief that they can mentally [i]and[/i] physically dominate defenders. You can see a little bit of that Jordan-esque killer instinct in any great wideout, whether they brashly proclaim their greatness or not. It's communicated in the way they carry themselves, the way they look people in the eye, their vocal and non-verbal mannerisms. It's something you sense, not just in the words they speak, but in their entire expression of who they are.

I simply don't see that in Taylor. He's not a commanding presence. He's just a quiet, soft-spoken farmboy from rural Florida. There's nothing remarkable about him physically, and his personality is so stealthily unobtrusive that he would virtually disappear in a room full of average people. One might get the sense that Jacobs' goal in life is to remain as inconspicuous as possible.

That could be a big detriment to him, holding him back on the depth chart, while others with "louder" personalities jockey for the attention of coaches, and lobby through the media for more playing time and more looks from the quarterback on gameday. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It could also be that, consciously or unconsiously, the coaches and quarterbacks interpret Taylor's lack of bravado as a lack of self-confidence. Why would they have any confidence in someone who apparently has little or no confidence in himself?

With Patten out of the picture this weekend, this is Taylor's opportunity to let his playmaking abilities speak for themselves. The question is, how loudly will they speak?[/QUOTE]

Interesting take JC. Recently someone asked Terrell Davis about Jamaal Lewis' comments about playing it "safe" in his final contract year. Many misconstrued Lewis' comment implying that he was playing [i]not [/i]to get hurt. Terrell Davis said that on the contrary he didn't believe that is what Lewis meant. He went on to say that when players play not to get hurt that's when they actually get hurt.

Something you said Joe Crisp about a lack of steely confidence on TJ's part. Perhaps it's that shy quality that has, in some sort of weird way, led to these nagging injuries? I thought of Marvin Harrison and how he is the consumate professional on the field. He comes accross as being quiet and you never hear him brag or do anything unseemly on the field. Yet day-in and day-out he produces. While I don't hear of Harrison taking verbal jabs at the opposing defenders and so forth, I would be willing to bet that he still has a commanding presence about himself.

Perhaps one jarring hit and still hanging on to the ball is what Jacobs needs??

NFLeurope 11-18-2005 11:22 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Just one prediction from a humble fan in europe...who doesnt pretend to know everything:
I believe Taylor Jacobs has been waiting for this opportunity for a long time. He has had plenty of time to recover from his toe injury. The raiders secondary will be keying on Moss and prolly Cooley. Therefore i say the time is ripe for Taylor Jacobs and i predict he has a very good game this sunday and hopefully moves up on the depth chart giving us a legitimate two receiver set to go along with Cooley!!! And now its time to think playoffs!

Daseal 11-18-2005 11:26 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
I hope people are right about Jacobs taking off. I loved the pick Spurrier made with him over Mike Doss (Who I also would have liked to have, but that would have given us Kellen Winslow most likely!). He was a first round pick till he did awful at the combine because of the flu.

Anyhow, I've been waiting to see Jacobs get some legitimate playing time to see what he can do. The only thing that worries me is the amount of looks he'll get from Brunell. Patten's been thrown to what, 15 - 20 times all YEAR?

dblanch66 11-18-2005 11:28 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
The other caveat is that Brunell has to throw him the ball. It would be a bit difficult to "step out" if the balls aren't coming your way.

That Guy 11-18-2005 11:31 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
step up or get out... or something.

If he could catch at least 2-3 passes, that'd be a vast improvement...

firstdown 11-18-2005 11:33 AM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Patten is not getting the job done at this time so it would realy be nice to see TJ come in and have a strong showing.

paulskinsfan 11-18-2005 12:33 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
FRAYGEEEELEEEYYYY!!!! Lets see, if history repeats itself, he'll have 1 or 2 nice plays, then he'll pull up short with a hangnail either this week or next.

MTK 11-18-2005 12:41 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Well, this is the shot he's been waiting for.

I'd love to see him step up, make plays and make Patten expendable.

He's shown flashes here and there, but staying healthy is the obvious key.

djnemo65 11-18-2005 12:45 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=joecrisp]Good point. Having watched TJ closely in camps over the past three years, I've been touting his abilities, and predicting great things from him. When you watch the guy working alongside the other receivers in practice, he stands out, because he really does possess so many of the attributes that make a receiver successful in the NFL.

But the one thing he seems to lack personality-wise-- and this is critical-- is that steely confidence and cocky self-assuredness that seems to always accompany today's outstanding receivers. Maybe that's one reason I've always liked the guy. But there's a reason so many great receivers-- Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Joe Horn, Chad Johnson, the list goes on-- exude such unmitigated self-confidence.

To play that position at that level, where they're able to dominate opposing secondaries and establish themselves as upper-echelon wideouts, they not only have to be superior athletes, but they have to possess an unwavering belief that they can mentally [I]and[/I] physically dominate defenders. You can see a little bit of that Jordan-esque killer instinct in any great wideout, whether they brashly proclaim their greatness or not. It's communicated in the way they carry themselves, the way they look people in the eye, their vocal and non-verbal mannerisms. It's something you sense, not just in the words they speak, but in their entire expression of who they are.

I simply don't see that in Taylor. He's not a commanding presence. He's just a quiet, soft-spoken farmboy from rural Florida. There's nothing remarkable about him physically, and his personality is so stealthily unobtrusive that he would virtually disappear in a room full of average people. One might get the sense that Jacobs' goal in life is to remain as inconspicuous as possible.

That could be a big detriment to him, holding him back on the depth chart, while others with "louder" personalities jockey for the attention of coaches, and lobby through the media for more playing time and more looks from the quarterback on gameday. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It could also be that, consciously or unconsiously, the coaches and quarterbacks interpret Taylor's lack of bravado as a lack of self-confidence. Why would they have any confidence in someone who apparently has little or no confidence in himself?

With Patten out of the picture this weekend, this is Taylor's opportunity to let his playmaking abilities speak for themselves. The question is, how loudly will they speak?[/QUOTE]

Good point, but what about Marvin Harrison? Judging from what I see of him on TV and in interviews he seems to be genuinely humble and modest - and maybe the best wr of the last five years.

12thMan 11-18-2005 01:06 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=djnemo65]Good point, but what about Marvin Harrison? Judging from what I see of him on TV and in interviews he seems to be genuinely humble and modest - and maybe the best wr of the last five years.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing about Harrison, but it's possible to be humble and confident at the same time.

scowan 11-18-2005 01:08 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
I am not superstitious (well maybe I am a little bit), but I had a friend of mine who was cleaning out their closet the other day give me an old number "84" Redskins jersey. Of course most of you know this is an old Gary Clark jersey.....anyway, I wore it while watching the Skins Eagles game the other night and it brought us good luck! Maybe I will put it on again and watch the new "84" do some damage on Sunday.

12thMan 11-18-2005 01:52 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=scowan]I am not superstitious (well maybe I am a little bit), but I had a friend of mine who was cleaning out their closet the other day give me an old number "84" Redskins jersey. Of course most of you know this is an old Gary Clark jersey.....anyway, I wore it while watching the Skins Eagles game the other night and it brought us good luck! Maybe I will put it on again and watch the new "84" do some damage on Sunday.[/QUOTE]

Hell, why don't you just get some pads, we'll fly you to FEDX this Sunday and you take Jacobs place against Oakland!!!

Jamaican'Skin 11-18-2005 02:10 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Can he catch tho 12th?

ST21 11-18-2005 02:13 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
you bullshittin

ST21 11-18-2005 02:15 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=Southpaw]Michael Westbrook had all the tools to be an elite receiver in the same mold as T.O. or Randy Moss, but that amounted to one decent season in the seven he was here. Jacobs is in the same boat. He seems to be missing that final intangible piece that makes an exceptional college player into a good NFL player. At this point, I'd just be happy if he could become a legitimate third option, and pull in 40 catches a year.[/QUOTE]

He's a better fighter, than football player remember that ass whoopin he put on Davis

12thMan 11-18-2005 02:16 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Dude, can he catch?? Check out his Avatar....Scowan is a beast!!!

hail_2_da_skins 11-18-2005 03:03 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Jacob Taylor might be just what the Skins need, another wide receiver threat. I have not been impressed with Patton. His best plays were the two pass interference calls he drew. He has dropped too many passes and even tipped the ball to the opposition. With Taylor's size and speed, he has the opportunity to be an impact player. This might possibly open up the field for Santana Moss and Cooley.

scowan 11-18-2005 03:08 PM

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Dude, can he catch?? Check out his Avatar....Scowan is a beast!!![/QUOTE]

The only thing I can catch is a Cold and a NERF Football!! As far as my Avatar goes.... just throw to Cooley and don't worry about those other guys!

celts32 11-18-2005 03:26 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Well David Patten went on IR today so Taylor Jacobs is starting for the rest of the season...looks like we are going to find out once and for all over the next couple months whether or not TJ can play in this league.

12thMan 11-18-2005 03:34 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Where did you hear Patten went on IR? I thought he was out for 2 wks??

skinsguy 11-18-2005 03:50 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=12thMan]Where did you hear Patten went on IR? I thought he was out for 2 wks??[/QUOTE]


Frontpage of redskins.com.

jamf 11-18-2005 04:08 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
brunell spreads the ball around evenly. patten wasnt getting the ball because he wasnt getting open.

i am so happy jacobs get a shot. no excuses, he has to make the most of this opportunity.

FirstandTen 11-18-2005 04:11 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Lets see what the kid can do!

firstdown 11-18-2005 04:54 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Taylor is getting a seven game audition and then of course some playoff games too. If he cannot produce its time that the Skins let him go. It would realy nice to see him and Brunell connect like he has done with Moss.

wilsowilso 11-18-2005 04:54 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=wewhite3]He's a better fighter, than football player remember that ass whoopin he put on Davis[/QUOTE]

Sucker Punch.

Warpath 11-18-2005 05:06 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
Looks like Rich Parson will fill in on special teams. I thought this was funny from redskins.com:

Parson said he does not anticipate going overboard on providing friends and family with tickets to the game.
"I love my family and I want them to all be here," he said. "But right now, I'm so focused on playing the game, knowing my assignments and doing everything well. I have to keep a level head and be ready, because Coach Gibbs has a way of putting people in at unexpected moments."

I just really thought that was funny.

12thMan 11-18-2005 05:13 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
I think if Jacobs gets 5 catches that would be plenty for him.

If he really get's going by the next Dallas game we could have a nice duo.

TheMalcolmConnection 11-18-2005 06:25 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
[QUOTE=Warpath]Looks like Rich Parson will fill in on special teams. I thought this was funny from redskins.com:

Parson said he does not anticipate going overboard on providing friends and family with tickets to the game.
"I love my family and I want them to all be here," he said. "But right now, I'm so focused on playing the game, knowing my assignments and doing everything well. I have to keep a level head and be ready, because Coach Gibbs has a way of putting people in at unexpected moments."

I just really thought that was funny.[/QUOTE]

I was entertained by that as well. "F my family. I just gotta' get my work on."

BigSKINBauer 11-18-2005 06:37 PM

Re: Taylor Jacobs starting Sunday
 
we are SHORT SHORT SHORT SHORT SHOOOOORRRTT on WR. Parsons was pretty good at maryland, i hope he can represent maryland in this next game.

We need to bring back farris or dare i say it, no i won't, ok i will antonio brown. I loved antonio, he was so f'n good during the training camps and the scrimmage, sure he had one bad preseason game and that fumble can't happen again after he was fired. Like moss says "speed kills", brown and moss side by side would be insane speed, we had the fastest WRs in the league before the season started but now with patten down and brown out we have lost a ton of speed.

I just want a decent WR:insane: :Smoker:


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