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jasonskin 04-21-2004 12:35 PM

who is a better LB
 
who is a better LB
Jeremiah Trotter
Kevin Mitchell
Micheal Barrow

SKINSnCANES 04-21-2004 12:49 PM

Trotter is the best blitzer, Barrow is the best all around MLB of the group, he had what, 179 tackles last year. Barrow is 34 though. Mitchell is the cheapest and the least headache of all three, getting up there in age as well.

JoeRedskin 04-21-2004 12:53 PM

I guess I think they are all about the same; maybe Barrow by a little. Barrow and Trotter just have better press and none of them seem more than an adequate starter

PSUskinsfan11 04-21-2004 01:07 PM

Barrow the best right now, maybe another year or two.
Trotter the best potential, rember he was still coming off of the knee injury last year and now has a good d-coordinator.
Mitchell the best for the money, very solid player and not costly.

skinsfanthru&thru 04-21-2004 01:14 PM

barrow, trotter, then mitchell. i agree mitchell is good talent for low pay but he's not fast enough especially for williams' defensive schemes. i hope we start, or atleast try to work in, clifton smith.

SKINSnCANES 04-21-2004 01:17 PM

I think Trotter will still end up being a probowl linebacker again. Hes got most of the physical intangibles, but like everyone of the other Redskins has had different coachs that dont know how to use him. Plus he was injured. We have to get rid of his cap figure and might not fit well with us but I bet he succeeds for another team.

offiss 04-21-2004 01:18 PM

barrow

skinsfanthru&thru 04-21-2004 01:28 PM

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]I think Trotter will still end up being a probowl linebacker again. Hes got most of the physical intangibles, but like everyone of the other Redskins has had different coachs that dont know how to use him. Plus he was injured. We have to get rid of his cap figure and might not fit well with us but I bet he succeeds for another team.[/QUOTE]

i agree but for right now he's a bit of a defensive liability when it comes to reading and reacting to a non-running play and even against running plays he seemed caught off guard a few times last year. he will succeed next year if, unlike here, he's used properly.

SKINSnCANES 04-21-2004 01:30 PM

by using him properely it means not dropping him into pass coverage.

skinsfanthru&thru 04-21-2004 01:33 PM

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]by using him properely it means not dropping him into pass coverage.[/QUOTE]

pretty much. he's practically a one dimensional player at a position that has to be multitalented.

MTK 04-21-2004 01:33 PM

In the right system Trotter will regain his Pro Bowl form. Barrow is still a very effective LB who plays with alot of fire. I've always like K-Mitch, he's a solid and heady player, he should have been starting these last two seasons, and we should have kept Barber.

Top 3 worst personnel moves since Snyder took over:

1) George: pushed BJ out of town
2) Sanders: huge waste of $$ even though his play was solid
3) Trotter: huge waste of $$ even though his play was solid

SKINSnCANES 04-21-2004 01:36 PM

Top 3(4) worst personnel moves since Snyder took over:

1.Danny Wuerful
2.Shane Matthews
3.Bringing back Danny Wuerul
4.Supply those two with a bunch of bum receivers from Flordia that just got cut anyways.

SKINSnCANES 04-21-2004 01:38 PM

I agree that we should have kept Barber. He was solid and didnt really give up plays. That was one of those stupid dismanteling and rebuilding moves that Snyder did. Its not like Barber was that much worse, but Trotter and Armstead made the pro bowl the year before so Dan thought the team would be better if we just turned the team over everything. I just want us to have some damn continuity for once. I hope we build our team this year and only get a few plugins next year. I actually wouldnt mind us trading our next years first just to get a team together and run with them.

skinsfanthru&thru 04-21-2004 01:43 PM

i think the team was hesitant to resign barber cuz he was coming back from a nasty knee injury. i hated seeing him go to phili and wish we'd made the attempt to bring him back instead of him going to KC.

BrudLee 04-21-2004 01:47 PM

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]I agree that we should have kept Barber. He was solid and didnt really give up plays. That was one of those stupid dismanteling and rebuilding moves that Snyder did. Its not like Barber was that much worse, but Trotter and Armstead made the pro bowl the year before so Dan thought the team would be better if we just turned the team over everything. I just want us to have some damn continuity for once. I hope we build our team this year and only get a few plugins next year. I actually wouldnt mind us trading our next years first just to get a team together and run with them.[/QUOTE]
Barber wanted big bucks, too. He settled on a one year deal to showcase his abilities, and eventually signed a long term deal with the Chiefs.
A lot of people make the mistake of saying "The Eagles signed Barber for $X, we should have kept him for that." Barber wouldn't have signed the same deal from us - he believed he already proved himself to the team. He wanted to beat us (hence the division rival) and showcase himself to the league.

JoeRedskin 04-21-2004 01:48 PM

All legitimate screw-ups. But you are forgetting one, Stephen Davis. By failing to find a way to keep him, mostly b/c he didn't fit into Spurrier's plans, we ended up trading for Portis. Not that Portis is a bad pick-up or an improvement over SD, it just forced a personnel move that would not have been necessary. Even if we still lost Champ, their were plenty of bidders who would have given as good value in this draft.

Anybody doubt that Davis would have been a beast in Gibbs system?

skinsfanthru&thru 04-21-2004 01:53 PM

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]All legitimate screw-ups. But you are forgetting one, Stephen Davis. By failing to find a way to keep him, mostly b/c he didn't fit into Spurrier's plans, we ended up trading for Portis. Not that Portis is a bad pick-up or an improvement over SD, it just forced a personnel move that would not have been necessary. Even if we still lost Champ, their were plenty of bidders who would have given as good value in this draft.

Anybody doubt that Davis would have been a beast in Gibbs system?[/QUOTE]

for possibly a season or 2, but portis is going to be an even bigger beast and is a heck of a lot younger and cheaper than what we would have been paying davis. plus with the cap room created by releasing davis we were able to get Coles and Thomas.

JoeRedskin 04-21-2004 01:58 PM

Ahh, I hadn't considered the Thomas, Coles effect. Point taken. I retract my previous assertion as having been shown to be erroneous and ill-founded.

JWsleep 04-21-2004 02:26 PM

(Wow. How very civil of you, JoeRedskin.)

Barrows had the best year of the three last year, and he'd be a good fit for us (I think he has the most speed??).

We haven't actaully cut Trotter yet. Any chance AT ALL that we might keep him on if we can't get Barrow? Could he restructure? Is he not a core redskin type?

sportscurmudgeon 04-21-2004 07:08 PM

Of the three choices you've given me, let me start by saying that none of the three are outstanding linebackers.

Barrow is probably the best linebacker in terms of being able to make plays in all aspects of the game. But he does not excel at any of them.

Trotter can't cover a corpse. But he is a solid tackler and a guy who will not give up on a play. He makes too many mental mistakes for a MLB.

Mitchell seemed to have lost a step at the end of last year. He never had great speed to begin with so that makes him the most suspect one on this mediocre list.

Now you have to factor in what they cost you in terms of cap room. On that scale, Trotter is at the bottom and Barrow would probably be in the middle bewcause he'll command a signing bonus and Mitchell would be on top because he does not cost much.

joecrisp 04-21-2004 07:57 PM

As long as Barrow doesn't cost too much and his retirement in a couple of years doesn't have a significantly adverse effect on the cap, I think it's worth picking him up. Trotter is getting paid way too much for his unspectacular-- if solid-- play, and Mitchell-- as others have said-- is getting a little too immobile to be effective as a starter. Barrow can adequately fill the starting MLB hole until one of the younger guys already on the roster, a future draft pick, or future free agent acquisition can take over.

If Barrow asks for too much (as has been the Redskins' experience with soon-to-retire former stars), then let Mitchell fight it out with Clifton Smith for the MLB spot, and possibly look for a June 1st cap cut.

SKINSnCANES 04-21-2004 08:06 PM

I wonder what we would have been offered for Bailey if we had Davis still. Im glad the way it worked out, it will be nice having an elite back. Had Detroit given us their first and second it would have been tempting though. THen we could have Taylor and Winslow. I think Portis will be a bigger factor then either one of them though. Had we taken those two then say Ben Watson or Chris Perry with the second round pick it would be a lot to think about.


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