Should we start a new quarterback?
 

bring in Campbell because i do not see us making the playoffs. might as well play for next year and see what campbell has to offer.

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I said that last week, I still want to see it happen.

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What kind of message does it send to a team to give up when the team is still in the playoff hunt? I say we hold out and wait until we're completely cooked to give up.

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a couple more losses to pathetic teams and i might agree. but the season isn't lost yet, if we win all the remaining games we might have a chance. one more loss, and we are done, realistically, and mathematically.

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Yes, I want to see Campbell.

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Im close to giving up on the skins

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cambles time will come but right now as it stands were playing 2 not so good teams in the next weeks lets c wat can happen the the giants and cowboys in that ammount of time

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[QUOTE=Bstanley]Im close to giving up on the skins[/QUOTE]

I have. I feel like they have done this every year since Gibbs left the first time.

They keep it close enough to make you keep coming back for more. Worst kind of drug imaginable.

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nope... it's time to go on that 5 game run, starting next week.

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[QUOTE=Bozzy]Yes, I want to see Campbell.[/QUOTE]

When the season isn't over? Why? That kind of trigger-finger, yank the guy sort of Snyder-esque attitude hasn't served us well in the past.

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[QUOTE=mooby]a couple more losses to pathetic teams and i might agree. but the season isn't lost yet, if we win all the remaining games we might have a chance. one more loss, and we are done, realistically, and mathematically.[/QUOTE]

How many times over the past few seasons have we been here saying that?

I'm totally fed up with the same shit every year.

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I would like to see Ramsey start and get the proper opportunity that he deserves. Campbell is a Rookie still and should learn this season at the very least like the Cinnci (Carson Palmer / Heisman trophy winner) quarterback. If he is destined to be our quarterback he will prove it by the beginning of next season.

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Let's be realisitic.. Mathmatically we are still alive but realistically, at BEST 2 games back in the division, at BEST 2 games back of the final wild card spot with a loss to TB the chances for the playoffs are very remote. Why not start Campbell now to get his feet wet. Brunell isn't costing us games, but he's not winning them either. Get Campbell some snaps this year. Brunell has done well this year but I don't want to see him out there under center next season when it kicks off.. He has gotten progressively worse, yards are down, pass attempts are shorter, it's time to move forward with this team.

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Like Paintrain said, they have no more realistic shot at the playoffs. I want to see what the kid can do. They don't like Ramsey and I think he's gonna leave after the season, so they might as well put in Campbell. But if they do, get ready for more mediocre games by Portis cause he won't get any blocking when our O Line has to compete with 8 in the box.

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Just like Drew Brees there is always that optimistic possibility that Ramsey could perhaps win the starting position like Brees did in San Diego. He was on the verge of being traded too, especially when they draft a first round quarterback as well. Ramsey has already been partially developed, let the kid get another shot!!!!! IMO :) !!!!!

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[QUOTE=itvnetop]nope... it's time to go on that 5 game run, starting next week.[/QUOTE]
The only 5-game run we're close to is losing 5 games in a row. We need to be realistic. This is a 7-9 team, or 8-8 at best.

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we'd need to lose at least one more... that said, brunell is probably starting next year, so I'm not sure it makes much sense... couldn't hurt to see what you've got, but we should at least wait till we're actually out of it.

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I say it's definitely time to start another QB - my choice would be Ramsey. But since Gibbs has probably decided that Ramsey is a goner, then Campbell should start.

Brunell had an early string of good performances, but he's settled right back into the QB he was last year. I am tired of seeing winnable games slip away because this offense can't get the job done and that includes Brunell's mediocre performances.

If he starts next year, I'll be sick.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]I say it's definitely time to start another QB - my choice would be Ramsey. But since Gibbs has probably decided that Ramsey is a goner, then Campbell should start.

Brunell had an early string of good performances, but he's settled right back into the QB he was last year. I am tired of seeing winnable games slip away because this offense can't get the job done and that includes Brunell's mediocre performances.

If he starts next year, I'll be sick.[/QUOTE]

Usually you and I are in total agreement; at least with respect to Ramsey. However, I don't think Brunell has been all that bad. He throws the ball away a little too often (whereas Ramsey never throws it away), but I think our offensive woes do not lie at Brunell's feet.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]I say it's definitely time to start another QB - my choice would be Ramsey. But since Gibbs has probably decided that Ramsey is a goner, then Campbell should start.

Brunell had an early string of good performances, but he's settled right back into the QB he was last year. I am tired of seeing winnable games slip away because this offense can't get the job done and that includes Brunell's mediocre performances.

If he starts next year, I'll be sick.[/QUOTE]
you cant blame brunnel for all these losses.We cant run the ball in the fourth quarter when we need to.nor stop anybody when we need to.

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[QUOTE=sniks]you cant blame brunnel for all these losses.We cant run the ball in the fourth quarter when we need to.nor stop anybody when we need to.[/QUOTE]

Lately, all I see Brunell doing is throwing the ball away. No, I do not blame him alone for all of the losses. But, he is the QB -supposedly the offensive leader. He has simply not performed very well in most of the last 5 or 6 games. Looks a lot like he did last year and so does this offense.

I don't want to see another season go down the tubes and I believe it will if he starts next year. Notice that I'm referring to next year, because I think this year is toast. Maybe not yet mathematically, but in reality it is.

Would love to see the Skins in the playoffs, but it is just not going to happen. Don't see this team suddenly morphing into a good team. Definitely don't see Brunell becoming the man to lead them there.

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Stick with Brunell until the team is officially out of the race.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]Lately, all I see Brunell doing is throwing the ball away. No, I do not blame him alone for all of the losses. But, he is the QB -supposedly the offensive leader. He has simply not performed very well in most of the last 5 or 6 games. Looks a lot like he did last year and so does this offense.

I don't want to see another season go down the tubes and I believe it will if he starts next year. Notice that I'm referring to next year, because I think this year is toast. Maybe not yet mathematically, but in reality it is.

Would love to see the Skins in the playoffs, but it is just not going to happen. Don't see this team suddenly morphing into a good team. Definitely don't see Brunell becoming the man to lead them there.[/QUOTE]
you think campbell would be better next year?

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[QUOTE=sniks]you think campbell would be better next year?[/QUOTE]

I do. The more time he gets to watch games from the sidelines and practice against 2nd stringers before starting, the better.

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I think he would turn into another ramsey if he played now.Lots of potential but not very good.We need to get another reciever and straighten out the o line before we throw him to the wolves.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I do. The more time he gets to watch games from the sidelines and practice against 2nd stringers before starting, the better.[/QUOTE]

He might be. I don't know. All I do know is that 1-1/2 years of Brunell is enough for me. As I previously posted, he had a string of great (even exceptional) games early this season. Now, he's almost back to his dismal play of last year. He will never take us to the playoffs.

Time to give the kid a chance to lead this team. If he's not ready, let Ramsey play and prove, one way or the other, if he should be our starting QB. Gibbs has never given him that chance. Yet, week in and week out, he allows the mediocre play of Brunell to continue.

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I think that I will love watching J Campbell run this team and look for it asap but I believe there is something to be said about a QB getting some clipboard time to learn the new game and speed.

Sure Eli and a few others get tossed out there but also look at Steve Young and others.

I'd like to see Campbell at the helm next year. But what do I know.
peace

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[QUOTE=itvnetop]nope... it's time to go on that 5 game run, starting next week.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you. I'm not buring my head in the sand.. Mark Brunell did what he could do. The playcalling like the last three weeks was conservative and predictable. Let's see how well we play after the loss. The team has to be pissed by the way they allowed teams to hang around. But technically we are still in the playoff hunt. My season will be excellent when we beat the shit out of Dallas and New York. The Giants missed the field goal attempt!

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[QUOTE=LadyT]Lately, all I see Brunell doing is throwing the ball away. No, I do not blame him alone for all of the losses. But, he is the QB -supposedly the offensive leader. He has simply not performed very well in most of the last 5 or 6 games. Looks a lot like he did last year and so does this offense.

I don't want to see another season go down the tubes and I believe it will if he starts next year. Notice that I'm referring to next year, because I think this year is toast. Maybe not yet mathematically, but in reality it is.

Would love to see the Skins in the playoffs, but it is just not going to happen. Don't see this team suddenly morphing into a good team. Definitely don't see Brunell becoming the man to lead them there.[/QUOTE]

If you pay attention to the Redskins.com and Jason Campbell's contract for next year, he's supposed to get some time next year with incentives attached. Mark Brunell is the best bet against Dallas, New York and Philly. To hell with that. Campbell's not ready for that.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]If you pay attention to the Redskins.com and Jason Campbell's contract for next year, he's supposed to get some time next year with incentives attached. Mark Brunell is the best bet against Dallas, New York and Philly. To hell with that. Campbell's not ready for that.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you on this one. Brunell is our best bet and Campbell would likely get shredded by the Gmen and Cowboys. But, I understand those who think we should start playing for the future (which, of course, does not include Brunell).

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Im so tired of skins fans always calling for the backup quarterback to come in. I guess the grass is always greener. Like mentioned before in previous posts, Brunell is our starter and should remain so because he gives us the best chance to win. The skins are definitely not out of the hunt after both the Giants and Cowboys loss this week. Although the skins didnt gain any ground this week we still get to play all three in our division and 2 of them are at home. The 12th man was loud and proud today at the game, much better than last week vs Oakland. We win the next 2 on the road and anything is possible. It is hard to believe that we can win anything on the road considering we are 1-4 on the road. Either way you stick with Brunell, hes the starter and should remain there until he is hurt or the Skins lose 3 more games.

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Someone posted the same question just last week and the question then seems to meet with the same reaction it did then.

It's only wishful thinking because it is highly unlikely Gibbs will change QB's because there is no real reason too. The problems we're having are not because of the QB, so Gibbs will continue with Brunell as long as we have a chance, slight as it may be. Campbell will get his chance, but now is not the time.

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[QUOTE=sniks]you cant blame brunnel for all these losses.We cant run the ball in the fourth quarter when we need to.nor stop anybody when we need to.[/QUOTE]
You hit the nail on the head Sniks. Teams that can't grind out clock with a 4th quarter lead by running the ball will lose more close games than not. As I posted in a different thread, Portis has not gotten stronger late in games. His skills are seemingly a poor fit here. I'll have Riggo, and his 3.8 average over a back like Portis any day. Riggo could be counted on to convert 3rd and 2 to keep the chains moving in the 4rt quarter. With Clinton, 3rd and 2 is a passing situation anymore. This season has unraveled since Portis failed on 3rd and 2 to ice the Tampa game. For the money he makes, Portis just isn't a money back in this system.

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[quote]m so tired of skins fans always calling for the backup quarterback to come in. I guess the grass is always greener.[/quote]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think a majority of the people asking for the switch feel Campbell will be able to give us wins, but we would like to see what we have as our first round pick. It's more conceding that the season is over.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Maybe I missed it, but I don't think a majority of the people asking for the switch feel Campbell will be able to give us wins, but we would like to see what we have as our first round pick. It's more conceding that the season is over.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't concede that yet. We are 2 games out of first place in the NFC East, with 5 to go. 2 of those 5 are against the two division leaders. So we're still in the hunt, despite the fact that the team looks like it has no intestinal fortitude at the end of games.

I think we're a long shot but I don't want to see Campbell until we're mathematically eliminated. Even then I'm not sure it makes sense since Brunell will probably start for us next year too.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Maybe I missed it, but I don't think a majority of the people asking for the switch feel Campbell will be able to give us wins, but we would like to see what we have as our first round pick. It's more conceding that the season is over.[/QUOTE]


Problem is, let's say Campbell gets thrown in there this season to go out and play, and he makes rookie mistakes and is pretty much horrible, then people will be complaining about how Jason Campbell is a dud. Even if we decide to start him next year, fans would still say that about him more than likely. I do think it's good for a player to get experience on the field - I feel that is ultimately the only way of becoming a true NFL star. However, I think he is getting alot of useful experience by being on the sidelines and watching the stragedies develop and getting the mental aspects of the game embedded in his mind. I think that will make his "hands on" experience easier to cope with once he's out there on the field. I realize QBs like Ben and Eli have appeared to be light years ahead of their development, but I also believe that doesn't happen with every young player.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Problem is, let's say Campbell gets thrown in there this season to go out and play, and he makes rookie mistakes and is pretty much horrible, then people will be complaining about how Jason Campbell is a dud. Even if we decide to start him next year, fans would still say that about him more than likely. I do think it's good for a player to get experience on the field - I feel that is ultimately the only way of becoming a true NFL star. However, I think he is getting alot of useful experience by being on the sidelines and watching the stragedies develop and getting the mental aspects of the game embedded in his mind. I think that will make his "hands on" experience easier to cope with once he's out there on the field. I realize QBs like Ben and Eli have appeared to be light years ahead of their development, but I also believe that doesn't happen with every young player.[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about? We're among the most patient fans in the league with quarterback development. :laughing2

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]I would like to see Ramsey start and get the proper opportunity that he deserves. Campbell is a Rookie still and should learn this season at the very least like the Cinnci (Carson Palmer / Heisman trophy winner) quarterback. If he is destined to be our quarterback he will prove it by the beginning of next season.[/QUOTE]


As much as I would like to see Ramsey in there, what would it really accomplish? He went in last year and won the starters job, and we all know what a bunch of window dressing that was, the guy could go 4-1 and Brunell will be back in there next season, so what's the point?

The Brunell experiement has basically been a waste, anyone really believe we would be worse off at this point in the season if Ramsey was starting? At the very least all things would be equal I don't really see them being worse.

With all the money these guys make it's hard to feel sorry for them, and I usually don't, but I can't help it when it comes to Patrick, I just feel he has been tagged teamed by Gibbs and Brunell unfairly for whatever reason.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]What are you talking about? We're among the most patient fans in the league with quarterback development. :laughing2[/QUOTE]


LOL!

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Stick with Brunell. He is the best QB on the team right now. Play out the season. The
NFC East is weak enough that we can still win the division. We do need to protect
the lead and put away the games late.