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Daseal 11-29-2005 09:21 AM

IF the CBA doesn't get signed...
 
Will teams be able to simply drop a player without any sort of retribution? Can you dump big salaries for no penelty?

Gmanc711 11-29-2005 09:29 AM

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I think the more important question, for me at least, is will they strike or not play football in the coming seasons?

#56fanatic 11-29-2005 09:32 AM

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Will teams be able to simply drop a player without any sort of retribution? Can you dump big salaries for no penelty?[/QUOTE]

Without the cap teams will be able to act freeley without any cap penalties what so ever. This means any additions or subtractions will not cost the teams. Which, if Danny has his say, will definately benefit the Redskins. He will go out and add any player out there. And, as seen many times before, players will come to Washington before anyone else based solely on the contracts he offers. This may work in our favor, but I dont think its the best thing to do for long term effects. We all saw how disfunctional we were in 2000 with all the big name guys we brought in to buy a superbowl.

#56fanatic 11-29-2005 09:34 AM

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I think the more important question, for me at least, is will they strike or not play football in the coming seasons?[/QUOTE]

there wouldn't be a strike. The players will make more money without the cap than with it. It will be interesting to see how this would effect the following year if the agreement is signed and the cap would go back in place the following year.

TheMalcolmConnection 11-29-2005 10:10 AM

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We'll be the Yankees of football is what will happen...

MVP? Sign him up. Defensive Player of the Year? Sign him up too.

irish 11-29-2005 10:20 AM

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The redskins will make the yankees look like pikers with all the high priced talent they will sign. Not having a CBA would be the best thing that could happen for the redskins because they would outspend every team in the nfl and likely buy their way to a championship.

BigSKINBauer 11-29-2005 01:04 PM

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I want us to win but not like that. BUT what a dominant team that would be!!! DWIGHT, ABRAHAM, MATHIS, Ray LEWIS, WAYNE, you name it we get it

SmootSmack 11-29-2005 01:31 PM

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In an uncapped NFL, there would be fewer free agents because players would not be eligible for free agency until after 6 years in the league, as opposed to the current 4.

CrazyCanuck 11-29-2005 02:16 PM

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No uncapped year please.

JoeRedskin 11-29-2005 04:34 PM

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]No uncapped year please.[/QUOTE]

If our resident capologist doesn't want an uncapped year - then I don't want an uncapped year.

CRT3 11-29-2005 05:18 PM

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As I have said in all of my post, the Redskins have been setting up their contracts for the uncapped year. All of our big contracts have huge numbers for the uncapped year. Danny boy has been playing this card from day 1. We will be in great position for that year and years to come. We have constantly outpaced the league in dollars from wise decisions. Now some of our signnings have not panned out but we are a finacial model for success. HEnce the reason that Upshaw wants a piece of the revenues that Danny has added to.

Skins fan 44 11-29-2005 05:20 PM

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As dumb as this may sound, you can all of the talent in the world and still not win it all. Look at the Yankees. How did they lose this year. And with our luck we could have all the talent and still lose.

dmek25 11-29-2005 05:50 PM

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no way they play with a cba.the skins would be willing to pull a yankee on the nfl and sign anyone they wanted.great for us fans,sucks to be anyone else

heybigstar 11-29-2005 06:14 PM

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Is this actually something that is being talked about happening for next year?

Or just a what-if scenario?

Wanga Skins 11-29-2005 06:15 PM

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As much as I hate the yankees and the idea of a no limit signing frenzy it is nice to be a fan of the team that would benefit most from it. I think that even with danny boy ready to throw money out to any player who has a good year we still would benefit most by doing something gibbs would love, keeping our veteran free agents or "core redskins" without suffering at other positions. Also football is different than baseball in the sense that 1 player can make a difference because they would be on the field more than just 4 or 5 at bats.

steveo395 11-29-2005 06:17 PM

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[QUOTE=heybigstar]Is this actually something that is being talked about happening for next year?

Or just a what-if scenario?[/QUOTE]
It would happen in 2007 if they dont get a new CBA

I heard that even if they do get a new CBA, the salary cap would go up more each year...I don't know if thats true, but thats what i heard

That Guy 11-29-2005 06:30 PM

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the salary cap will always go up as long as league income (tv/sponsorship contracts) continues to increase.

steveo395 11-29-2005 06:32 PM

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[QUOTE=That Guy]the salary cap will always go up as long as league income (tv/sponsorship contracts) continues to increase.[/QUOTE]
i meant to say that they said its going to go up more each year than how much it goes up now

Beemnseven 11-29-2005 06:41 PM

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]No uncapped year please.[/QUOTE]

I'd like to hear why you feel this way, CC. I've thought about it two ways. Either get rid of the cap, and return to the days of the 1980's and let good teams stay together.

Or, allow each team to pay up to three players whatever they ask for and whatever the owner is willing to part with. And make their salaries exempt from the cap -- the other 50 players' salaries will be governed by a cap similar to what the current system is. That way, teams can keep their Emmitt Smiths, LaVar Arringtons, and Jerry Rices.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-29-2005 06:43 PM

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[QUOTE=steveo395]i meant to say that they said its going to go up more each year than how much it goes up now[/QUOTE]

A key disagreement between the NFL Management Council and NFL Players Association is how to assess league revenue. If the NFLPA gets its way, the amount of money considered league revenue will jump, as will the salary cap. Thus, if the two sides reach an agreement, it is likely that the salary cap will see a fairly significant increase (beyond that which it increased under the current CBA).

Owners like Snyder and Jones are fighting the NFLPA's position because they also want less-profitable teams to get a larger share of the pie. Of course, Snyder doesn't want to give his dough over to the Cards. If the two sides cannot reach a deal, then the following year will be uncapped.

In either case, it appears more and more likely that the cap will grow considerably in 2007. Thus, contrary to my previous position that we are headed for cap hell, we may ride out this storm.

CRT3 11-29-2005 07:51 PM

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Apparently you all missed the article in the post a few weeks back. "'Bring on the uncapped year.' " is what all of the players are saying.


[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111602208.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/16/AR2005111602208.html[/url]

There will be a no cap year as I have said from the begginning. There is to much at stake for both sides that there is no way they will and can reach an agreement.

Daseal 11-30-2005 07:12 AM

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I'm not sure if I want it or not, but I certainly think an uncapped year would be interesting.

dmek25 11-30-2005 07:59 AM

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the skins would love it since they are heading for a problem with the cap in the next couple of years.they could front load all contracts(to safeguard against the following years cap)and basically keep all players considered core.then fill in with whom ever they desired,i can see old danny boy walking around with a woody already

FRPLG 11-30-2005 08:59 AM

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It's not gonna happen. Too many people are making way too much money to risk having it all go up in smoke over what is small (but not insignificant) potatoes. The "haves" (IE: Redskins,Cowboys,Patriots) simply won't be able to stop the other owners from ramming through a revenue sharing deal when the time finally comes and that'll unroadblock the CBA with the players right away. The biggest issue right now is that the owners don't even agree on what to do so they certainly can't make an agreement with the players.

FRPLG 11-30-2005 09:05 AM

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[QUOTE=dmek25]the skins would love it since they are heading for a problem with the cap in the next couple of years.[/QUOTE]
How many times has someone said this in the past 5 years? Why do I still laugh every time I read something like it? Should we take the time to explain why there is no "impending cap doom"?

Actually our cap is in better shape than it has been in a couple seasons thanks to Mr. Coles.

CrazyCanuck 11-30-2005 01:33 PM

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]I'd like to hear why you feel this way, CC. I've thought about it two ways. Either get rid of the cap, and return to the days of the 1980's and let good teams stay together.

Or, allow each team to pay up to three players whatever they ask for and whatever the owner is willing to part with. And make their salaries exempt from the cap -- the other 50 players' salaries will be governed by a cap similar to what the current system is. That way, teams can keep their Emmitt Smiths, LaVar Arringtons, and Jerry Rices.[/QUOTE]

Revenue sharing and the cap are the main reason the NFL is so successful. From what I've read they're fighting over relative scraps here. I don't think it would be the end of the world to have an uncapped year, but it definitely sets a bad precedent.

backrow 11-30-2005 03:02 PM

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[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Revenue sharing and the cap are the main reason the NFL is so successful.[/QUOTE]


You are Crazy! (j/k)

The hard hitting, sudden bursts, followed by lulls between plays is the reason for success. The normal game ebbs and flows, almost like a well orchestrated Ballet. That, and gambling.

:dallas: :dallas:

railcon56 12-01-2005 12:41 PM

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]We'll be the Yankees of football is what will happen...

MVP? Sign him up. Defensive Player of the Year? Sign him up too.[/QUOTE]
How terrible well how many championships do the Yankees have? not that i wanna see it... but i could suffer through a few


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