Carlos Rogers
 

There was an 'overrated' thread a few weeks back, but he has made 3 great plays on some balls the past 2 weeks.. 2 picks and a near interception. He has also caused 3 fumbles this season in somewhat limited play. Looks like this kid may be the real deal.. I'd like to see him really step up in the next few weeks and make some impact plays.. Anyone else notice him?

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He plays the run pretty well and he has done well in making up ground on plays that get behind him but I still don't like how easily at times he gets turned around by wrs and how far off he plays from the line of scrimmage. He's already been flagged a couple times for contact after 5 yards because of this and has probably gotten away with it a few times as well and I don't know if I'm alone on this but I'd prefer Willaims using him to jam wrs at the line instead of letting them run their routes free of contact until they catch it. he's already on par with smoot in my eyes thus far and I only see him geting better.

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i think it's hard to call a rookie overrated, simply because he hasn't been playing for years. Cut him some slack, you can't expect him to come in and be the savior. I think Rogers has been playing above and beyond expectations. Yeah, i've seen him get burned, but that should be expected by rookie corners. Yeah, he gets tricked a bit on some fakes by wide receivers, but he'll learn to stay with them. He just needs experience. I think at this point he is at the point Sean Taylor was at last year by this time, except S.T. got put in the starting lineup much earlier.

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I will admit it, i was getting fustrated with his 20 yard cushion.
He has played well the last two games and he is good at run support.

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the 20 yard cushion was gregg williams call, as marshall went to get the WR, springs was doing it as well. rogers looks to be a very good prospect, he is already more solid than walt harris

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MAYBE he will get a little love now........

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Rogers and the rest of the defense plays better with the presence of Sean Taylor!

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i am very surprised at how well he is in run support,very solid.improving every week in pass defense.i also thought walt harris did a good job as the nickel back

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More than anything, Carlos apprears to be "around" the ball alot. He's making strides in that regard. I would like to see GW play him a little closer to the line, but I think he's wanting him to get more comfortable playing within the schemes, etc.

It's just a matter of time before we seeing him as man to man type corner.

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CB is the hardest position to play on the field outside of QB. Besides a guy like Champ who simply had the immense talent to be successful straight form the word go most CBs take a little time to adjust to the pro game. I think we're seeing him advance a little faster than could be expected and that is very encouraging. Based on his level of advancement so far he could be playing at pro bowl type level come the end of next season. That is of course if he keeps imporving. I think he'll at least demonstrate that he a #1 type CB next season if not quite a pro-bowler.
Also, as has been mentioned he really seems to fit style-wise with this defense. Good pick for us.
I hope we can keep GW around a little longer because if we ever get a decent pass rusher it is going to be really fun to watch them play defense. They'll be scary.

Re: Carlos Rogers
 

[QUOTE=12thMan]More than anything, Carlos apprears to be "around" the ball alot. He's making strides in that regard. I would like to see GW play him a little closer to the line, but I think he's wanting him to get more comfortable playing within the schemes, etc.

It's just a matter of time before we seeing him as man to man type corner.[/QUOTE]
I think you'll notice that our CBs in general play a decent cushion (this year at least). Aganist the more talented WRs they have run a modified bracket coverage with the CB playing back as a quasi-safety for that one WR with a LB flashing out to take away the quick hitters. I guess our lack of top-flight speed at CB has pushed us to more coverages like this. Plus our need to blitz safties means we can't play up on WRS as one step means a big play TD with no safety back. Carlos will move closer as they trust him more.

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Rogers is progressing well, he seems to be a playmaker who's always around the ball.

I'm definitely excited to see how he'll look next year with a year under his belt.

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[QUOTE=mooby]i think it's hard to call a rookie overrated, simply because he hasn't been playing for years. Cut him some slack, you can't expect him to come in and be the savior. I think Rogers has been playing above and beyond expectations. Yeah, i've seen him get burned, but that should be expected by rookie corners. Yeah, he gets tricked a bit on some fakes by wide receivers, but he'll learn to stay with them. He just needs experience. I think at this point he is at the point Sean Taylor was at last year by this time, except S.T. got put in the starting lineup much earlier.[/QUOTE]

I disagree with some of this post. First let me say its nice to see Rogers in the starting lineup, he has made some nice plays. But to say he has played "above and beyond expectations" I don't think that is accurate. Most of us thought when Rogers was drafted that he would be a starter opposite Springs by Week 3 or 4, and that Harris would be moved to the nickle. Rogers is taking longer to develop than most expected. He is looking better and he defintitely is a better tackler than Harris.

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Do the "anti-Rogers" people realize he was injured earlier in the year and that played a factor in him developing slower than expected?

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Matt, I am not, nor have I ever been an "anti-Rogers" person. The subject of whether or not he was overrated after not cracking into the starting lineup by week 12 when Walt Harris was being burned on a weekly basis was a legitimate topic of conversation and debate. You don't draft a guy that high and Not expect him to be in the starting lineup by week 12 when others are playing that poorly. He has now been given an opportunity, and he does pretty well but still gives up a big play or two.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Do the "anti-Rogers" people realize he was injured earlier in the year and that played a factor in him developing slower than expected?[/QUOTE]
Or that maybe there were unreal expectations for him. It is not reasonable to EXPECT a rookie CB to wrestle a starting role from a guy who knows the system and fits in pretty well. It's not like we had NO other CBs on the roster when they drafted him. He has progressed faster than SHOULD have been expected. What we DID expect doesn't matter in the whole scope. We were in the wrong to expect it. Us being wrong doesn't make him "dissappointing". Just makes us wrong. Seems silly to get be "dissappointed" that you didn't get a result you had no good reason to expect.

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Most of the cushions aren't his call - there are probably only a few CBs in the league who get to decide whether they are going to play on the line or 10 yards off at the snap. In a team system like GW's I would be surprised if anyone gets to make a call like that.

He's definitely looking better as the season progresses!

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I didn't see many balls thrown his way during the game, most of the balls caught where usually who springs was covering I think. But if carlos keeps improving i think we could have one of the best defensive backs in the league... even better than the 3 pro bowler Eagles.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]Matt, I am not, nor have I ever been an "anti-Rogers" person. The subject of whether or not he was overrated after not cracking into the starting lineup by week 12 when Walt Harris was being burned on a weekly basis was a legitimate topic of conversation and debate. You don't draft a guy that high and Not expect him to be in the starting lineup by week 12 when others are playing that poorly. He has now been given an opportunity, and he does pretty well but still gives up a big play or two.[/QUOTE]

I put anti-Rogers in quotes because I couldn't think of a better way to put it, I didn't mean to say you're necessarily a Rogers hater or anything, just pointing out there are some circumstances beyond his control that slowed his development.

I don't think he was where he needed to be physically early in the season and that really slowed him down.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Or that maybe there were unreal expectations for him. It is not reasonable to EXPECT a rookie CB to wrestle a starting role from a guy who knows the system and fits in pretty well. It's not like we had NO other CBs on the roster when they drafted him. He has progressed faster than SHOULD have been expected. [/QUOTE]

I don't think it's the least bit unreasonable to expect at top ten pick, especially a defensive player, to take the starting job from a player who is mid tier at best, at his position. In fact, the only position that a case can be made for a top ten pick not starting is quarterback. Tailbacks, O lineman, receivers, and basically all defensive players start immediately if they are drafted in the first ten, unless they can't get the job done. It should not take 3/4 of a season to develop a supposed blue chip cornerback.

With that being said, I have always thought Rogers is the best tackling cornerback on the roster, but the insane cushion he gives on third and long plays still irritates me. He has impressed me recently though, and he'll probably be our best corner by the start of next season.

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rogers was the best cb in the draft and i'm glad the skins drafted him. he missed a lot of camp because of injury so that can explain his "tardyness" (sp) in taking over the starting position from walt harris. i have always and still do think he will be much better than fred smoot.

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He is still not good enough to play receivers up close and personal but he is starting to get some confidence.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]In fact, the only position that a case can be made for a top ten pick not starting is quarterback.[/QUOTE]
I simply disagree on this one statement. As I stated earlier I think CB is the second hardest position to play in football. You have to understand the entire defensive scheme and how your play directly influences the positioning of everyone in the secondary. You have to know the offensive scheme enough to read for proper coverage positioning. You have understand and use proper technique to actually cover a guy and understand how to counteract specific technique that the WR will use to get away from you. It is a very difficult position that athleticism alone doesn't allow you to have success at and I think it is unreasonable to expect ANY rookie CB to be good enough to start his first season. I do agree that besides QBs and CBs a top ten pick needs to be a major contributor if not a starter almost immediately. Sort of a pointless argument though since I think we can all agree that Rogers is coming on in a real good way. Just because it is later than some thought doesn't really make him a disappointment in my book. If he is a pro bowler next year do we still call him a disappointment because he wasn't good enough to start through 10 or so games his rookie year? Anyways he is good now and I think he is certainly going to be better than Smoot. I loved Smoot but this guy is more talented. Hopefully that talent continues to blossom.

Re: Carlos Rogers
 

it was a crap QB, he plays SO far off the line too :( where he lines up might not be his call, but if he could jam and run, the DC wouldn't start him so far back...

he played well this week, just like last week. His toughest challenge is vs the cards, who pass pass pass and have both WRs and a QB to toss it. If he can play as well this week, then i think he takes the unquestioned #2 spot and our starting CBs are no longer a cause for any real concern (though a better #3 would be nice).