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It's been a while since Santana Moss has had one of those jaw dropping performances. Teams have picked up on this and he often has to fight through double coverage. Some of the best recievers in the league (Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, etc.) routinely face double coverage but still manage to put up big numbers. Is Moss as good as his early season numbers?

I respect Santana and appreciate everything that he brings to Washington, but during our last 6 games he has only one touchdown and zero 100 yrd performances. During this spand our starting H-back (Chris Cooley) trails Moss by about 40 yds.

He is said to be one of the better route runners in the NFL, so why can't he get open?
What is to blame, Play calling, offensive line, quarterbacking, or Moss himself?

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Is this another overrated thread?

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[QUOTE=sniks]Is this another overrated thread?[/QUOTE]
No, just something to think about.

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]It's been a while since Santana Moss has had one of those jaw dropping performances. Teams have picked up on this and he often has to fight through double coverage. Some of the best recievers in the league (Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, etc.) routinely face double coverage but still manage to put up big numbers. Is Moss as good as his early season numbers?

I respect Santana and appreciate everything that he brings to Washington, but during our last 6 games he has only one touchdown and zero 100 yrd performances. During this spand our starting H-back (Chris Cooley) trails Moss by about 40 yds.

He is said to be one of the better route runners in the NFL, so why can't he get open.
What is to blame, Play calling, offensive line, quarterbacking, or Moss himself?[/QUOTE]

I would point to the fact that we have no #2 reciver to take pressure off of Moss. I'm actually suprised at the production he has gotten, especially being double and somtimes TRIPPLE teamed, latley. I think Cooley has been a great threat, but needs to be used as an even grater one if we hope to get Moss singled up again.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I would point to the fact that we have no #2 reciver to take pressure off of Moss. I'm actually suprised at the production he has gotten, especially being double and somtimes TRIPPLE teamed, latley. I think Cooley has been a great threat, but needs to be used as an even grater one if we hope to get Moss singled up again.[/QUOTE]

Thats a good point, we do lack a solid #2 reciever. This makes me wonder why Gibbs choose to go into the season with only 4 recievers, 2 of which are currently injured (Thrash and Patten) and the other couldn't catch a cold (Brown).

I think that Jimmy Farris can produce and should have been with the team in the beginning, it is a little late in the season to ask much of him

Oh yeah has anyone seen Taylor Jacobs

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I agree that Moss has ben quite these past weeks, but teams do double and tripple cover him, I was still amazed at that catch that Moss had in the St.Louis game where he was like tripple coverd and he like out jumped everyone for the ball.

But his lack of offense is mainly and hugely due to the fact that other than our H-back, we have no real #2 WR.

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Moss is a very good wideout; unquestionably a #1 wideout. But, in answer to your question, no he's not as good as his early season numbers suggested. NO ONE is as good as his early season numbers suggested; he was on pace for an 1,900 yard season halfway through the season. Great receivers regularly produce 1,200 yard seasons and Moss will do that for us.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I would point to the fact that we have no #2 reciver to take pressure off of Moss. I'm actually suprised at the production he has gotten, especially being double and somtimes TRIPPLE teamed, latley. I think Cooley has been a great threat, but needs to be used as an even grater one if we hope to get Moss singled up again.[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen Moss get triple teamed on a regular basis. He's always double-teamed, but I don't recall seeing him get triple-teamed. He's still a great wideout though.

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Rod Gardner and Trung Canidate. we've come a long, LONG way.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I haven't seen Moss get triple teamed on a regular basis. He's always double-teamed, but I don't recall seeing him get triple-teamed. He's still a great wideout though.[/QUOTE]
That catch he had in the St. Louis game he was trippled

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i say we beg the jets to do a trade back

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Moss > Coles

End of story.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]i say we beg the jets to do a trade back[/QUOTE]

Lol, how about a Patten-Coles trade?

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moss can beat double coverages and even triples, but brunell is VERY hesitant to throw him the ball with other jerseys around him and that's part of the problem (as well as the lack of ANY threats outside cooley, who's slow).

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If you want Sanata to make the kind of plays he made in the begining of the season you have to call the plays he made. The deep ball to him has not been pursued for awhile. That deep hook he ran against Seatle that set up the game winning Kick in OT has not been called often enough. Some teams take chances with their star players and throw to them even though they are doubled. I will stack Santana Moss against anyone in the league at getting open, catching the ball, or making someting happen after the catch. But for a fair comparison they have to be running the same plays against the same coverages. Since that comparison can't be made you need to look at the plays he makes when we do go to him, and let that be what you judge him by.

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I'm sick and tired of Anthony Chance's posts. Everyone has the freedom of speech, blah blah, but come on. Join an Eagles thread from last season or a Colts thread now. Save the selfdoubting bs til we're officially out of the playoffs. Like I said before go heavy pet with Sally Jenkins... Moss has 1000 yds... Portis 1000 yds.... Still you doubt their authenticity? Bogus. Tired of your empty purse falling on the keyboard. Redskins win out and Anthony is booted??? Seems like a fair bet?

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[QUOTE=That Guy]moss can beat double coverages and even triples, but brunell is VERY hesitant to throw him the ball with other jerseys around him and that's part of the problem (as well as the lack of ANY threats outside cooley, who's slow).[/QUOTE]That Guy is right on. Brunell just doesn't want to force anything, and you kind of have to if you want Santana to get the ball. That's the difference between he and Delhomme. Jake doensn't think twice before launching it up for Smith to come down with it. Chad Johnson has all kinds of weapons around him. It will take time, and we'll get him the ball when we need to. I just don't see why we run screens to receivers other than Moss when the man almost guarantees you a first down on every touch. I wish Brunell would just stick it in there more, though, especially after Santana proved he can still come down with it in triple coverage.

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with the way portis is starting to run,the play calling will get even more conservative,but these are the games that are won by PLAYOFF teams.but the one thing i do agree with,taking more chances downfield(i.e. see moss)

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Santana Moss has over achieved in my book. No one expected his contribution to be as impactful as it has been. Secondly, everyone keeps saying we don't have a #2 wideout. Maybe not on paper,but Cooley is putting up the numbers that a #2 would be expected to catch. Not only is Cooley the best receiver behind Moss, he advances 5 to 10 yards after the catch. Something that was nonexistent with Gardner and Coles. Next if you look at our offense there are several targets that we should continue to use. Portis is a good a receiver as he is a runner. He is an all-purpose back that can force the issue in the flat. Secondly, Mike Sellers has proven he can block, catch and run the ball in the redzone. Robert Royal will continue to make big plays if he stays healthy.

When I look at it. Moss will get the big plays when the running game and short passes are successful. Until then, we need to keep throwing it to him near the sidelines and watch him smoke the opposition with Cooley blocking.