Skins sign Barrow
 

[url]http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7275138[/url]

I guess this is good news, but man what does Kevin Mitchell have to do to get a shot

I don't know, maybe it'll be a competition for MLB.

I really like this pickup, I felt all along that Barrow was a perfect fit with us, talent wise and attitude, he's a play maker, and I think he still has a couple of year's left in the tank.

He may have a couple of years left in the tank, but I am curious about the cost. The article said 8 mill in the first three years. Any hit has got to be backloaded to 2007. I would really like to see the contract. I guess I worry that the Skins cap managers seem to have "What me worry?" approach. I know we havent gotten bitten in the ass yet, and maybe we won't. But doesn't it sound like we overpaid for him? Especially since he will be 37 by the third year of his contract.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a good enough 'backer but just not sure about the price.

hes a Cane, he'll do great for us :) Our linebackingn core is definitly very good right now. No weaknesses. That will help out our front four a lot. Mabye one more pick up on the dline and our fifth draft choice, I think we should be set next year.

it's a million or 2 a year atleast less than trotter isn't it? and barrow actually has some coverage skills. plus if he's a decently priced upgrade over a slow lb like mitchell in a system requiring lbs with some degree of speed, how can this be bad? anyone know how much we could save if we release mitchell cuz i'd rather be working in a young backup who could replace barrow when he retires?

So you thik we can get Trotter into a trade or are we going to get stuck dropping him on June 1st and taking the Cap hit?

I hope we can use him in a package to get some picks on satruday. It will have to be as a package, teams know he will be cut now, expecially since we have Barrow.

I think we needed a MLB, and I just don't think Mitchell can hold up all year long. I hope the contract is not too nasty, but given that we still need work on the D line, we couldn't let the MLB be a really weak link. It's a good pickup.

[QUOTE=hi-jinx]So you thik we can get Trotter into a trade or are we going to get stuck dropping him on June 1st and taking the Cap hit?[/QUOTE]

Cutting or trading him, we get the cap hit. Actually,a post June 1 cut spreads the hit over this year and '05

Let's run a 3-4 with L.A. Barrow Mitchell Washington as backers and then wynn/daniels move griffin to d-end, trade the 2nd round pick next year and trotter to the texans or jags and take Wilfork with that pick and but him in the middle and get taylor with our pick. Our D will be half Hurricanes but its cool cause we might have the best D in the league. Just a thought.....

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]anyone know how much we could save if we release mitchell cuz i'd rather be working in a young backup who could replace barrow when he retires?[/QUOTE]
Mitchell was signed to a 1-year vet minimum contract ($760,000 salary, $25,000 bonus) this offseason, so releasing him would produce $735,000 in cap room. I don't think he'll be a cap cut option. They'll let him play this year, keeping him for quality depth, and unleash the young fellas next year. I don't think they're ready to part with both Trotter AND Mitchell, leaving Clifton Smith as the lone legit MLB option behind Barrow.

From what I hear, the Skins are trying VERY hard to use Trotter in a deal that gets a pick this year. Not a lot of interest yet.

I know that this will not make "smootsmack" happy, but once again, Fred Smoot is a commodity that other teams are interested in and the Skins are willing to listen to offers for him. I suspect that they would want a bigger price for Smoot than anyone will offer, but they have not taken his name off the table categorically. I heard that the Skins were offered a "late 1st round pick" this year for Smoot. That would give the Skins the #5 pick and a pick somewhere between 20 and 32 this year. Frankly, I would not make the deal.

People here have speculated about what Rod Gardner might bring in a trade. I heard that one team was offered the "opportunity" to trade for Gardner and their offer was a "conditional 6th round pick in 2005" meaning that if Gardner did not meet certain milestones in 04, the Skins would get a 7th rounder and not a 6th rounder. His name came off the table quickly.

Someone wondered what Mitchell had to do to get a shot. I think he needs to get about one or two steps faster. That's not easy to do...

IMHO of course...

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]I know that this will not make "smootsmack" happy, but once again, Fred Smoot is a commodity that other teams are interested in and the Skins are willing to listen to offers for him.[/QUOTE]

Be gone with your vile lies and rumors!...yeah I'm aware that Smoot is a sought after commodity. It would suck to lose him but I suppose I should be glad that my favorite player is good enough to draw interest from other teams...Ade Jimoh Fan Club I'm looking in your direction

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]Let's run a 3-4 with L.A. Barrow Mitchell Washington as backers and then wynn/daniels move griffin to d-end, trade the 2nd round pick next year and trotter to the texans or jags and take Wilfork with that pick and but him in the middle and get taylor with our pick. Our D will be half Hurricanes but its cool cause we might have the best D in the league. Just a thought.....[/QUOTE]
I've always felt Wynn is better suited to playing end in a 3-4 scheme rather than a 4-3, and the same can probably be said of Daniels. In this scenario, where the Skins get Wilfork, he would clearly be the monster in the middle, and Cornelius Griffin could actually move to end in the 3-4.

I think Arrington and Washington would be awesome as OLBs in the 4-backer set, with Mitchell and Barrow providing the solid run-stopping duo in the middle. The only problem would be depth at MLB. They'd need another MLB option along with Clifton Smith to provide relief to the aging vets.

Of course, the real question is if Trotter and next year's #2 would be enough to obtain a pick high enough to nab Wilfork this year. I don't know if that's enough ammo. The only way Trotter draws a decent trade offer is if he comes to some kind of preliminary contract agreement with his next team, reducing his salary numbers and cap hit.

[QUOTE=joecrisp]Mitchell was signed to a 1-year vet minimum contract ($760,000 salary, $25,000 bonus) this offseason, so releasing him would produce $735,000 in cap room. I don't think he'll be a cap cut option. They'll let him play this year, keeping him for quality depth, and unleash the young fellas next year. I don't think they're ready to part with both Trotter AND Mitchell, leaving Clifton Smith as the lone legit MLB option behind Barrow.[/QUOTE]

I think Mitchell qualifies for the "Veteran Cap Exemption", so he only counts $480K against the cap ($455K salary + $25K bonus). I also think the Skins will keep him.

I think we might do something a bit suprising on draft day. No idea what, but with the way skins offseasons go, we'll do something crazy.

I don't like the idea of dealing Smoot, either. The depth at cornerback is just too tenuous, due to the injury status of Springs, Harris and Brown. Williams' defensive scheme is going to rely heavily on tight coverage by the corners, and Smoot and Springs are really the only two corners on this roster that I would feel even remotely comfortable putting on an island.

If the Skins are eyeing D'Angelo Hall, and can obtain a pick high enough to grab him by trading Smoot and Trotter, then that might be a move worth making, as Smoot will certainly be looking for big bucks next year. Hall is the only rookie corner I would feel comfortable with as a replacement for Smoot-- maybe Dunta Robinson. But Hall has been projected going as high as #7, so even Smoot and Trotter might not be enough to get that high of a pick-- in [i]this[/i] draft, at least.

[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]I think Mitchell qualifies for the "Veteran Cap Exemption", so he only counts $480K against the cap ($455K salary + $25K bonus). I also think the Skins will keep him.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I wasn't sure if that cap exemption applied to his release as well.

If the Skins are eyeing D'Angelo Hall, and can obtain a pick high enough to grab him by trading Smoot and Trotter, then that might be a move worth making, as Smoot will certainly be looking for big bucks next year. Hall is the only rookie corner I would feel comfortable with as a replacement for Smoot-- maybe Dunta Robinson. But Hall has been projected going as high as #7, so even Smoot and Trotter might not be enough to get that high of a pick-- in [i]this[/i] draft, at least.[/QUOTE]


Is there hope that Smoot will be a redskin next season??? I think he is a true skin, a vocal leader, tough player (played through multple injuires), and a fan favorite, he even signed with rosenhouse (spelling?) I believe making it seem that he wants to stay here.

I cant say I would be anything less than EXTREMLEY Dissapointed if we dont keep smoot after next season. I really think thats a guy that we have to lock up.

[QUOTE=joecrisp]I've always felt Wynn is better suited to playing end in a 3-4 scheme rather than a 4-3, and the same can probably be said of Daniels. In this scenario, where the Skins get Wilfork, he would clearly be the monster in the middle, and Cornelius Griffin could actually move to end in the 3-4.

I think Arrington and Washington would be awesome as OLBs in the 4-backer set, with Mitchell and Barrow providing the solid run-stopping duo in the middle. The only problem would be depth at MLB. They'd need another MLB option along with Clifton Smith to provide relief to the aging vets.

Of course, the real question is if Trotter and next year's #2 would be enough to obtain a pick high enough to nab Wilfork this year. I don't know if that's enough ammo. The only way Trotter draws a decent trade offer is if he comes to some kind of preliminary contract agreement with his next team, reducing his salary numbers and cap hit.[/QUOTE]

I can't see that ever happening, there is no way we can jump into any part of the first rd. with a #2 next year and trotter, we are lucky to get a bag of ball's for trotter, the only way we get into the first high enough to grab Wilfork with a #2 next year, is to send smoot and another pick or a player depending, my thought is this take taylor, then deal into the bottom of the first and into the second as well with pick's from next year and gardner, We then can get either 2 D-linemen, or 1 lineman, and a TE/H-back, perhap's a stark's or dockett, and watson, troupe or peterson.

[QUOTE=joecrisp]I don't like the idea of dealing Smoot, either. The depth at cornerback is just too tenuous, due to the injury status of Springs, Harris and Brown. Williams' defensive scheme is going to rely heavily on tight coverage by the corners, and Smoot and Springs are really the only two corners on this roster that I would feel even remotely comfortable putting on an island.

If the Skins are eyeing D'Angelo Hall, and can obtain a pick high enough to grab him by trading Smoot and Trotter, then that might be a move worth making, as Smoot will certainly be looking for big bucks next year. Hall is the only rookie corner I would feel comfortable with as a replacement for Smoot-- maybe Dunta Robinson. But Hall has been projected going as high as #7, so even Smoot and Trotter might not be enough to get that high of a pick-- in [i]this[/i] draft, at least.[/QUOTE]

i agree 100%. i'd only trade smoot if we could get d'angelo hall or atleast dunta robinson. our 2nd next year and trotter and smoot might be enough to pull this trade off with someone like atlanta, the texans, or the lions who tried to get smoot the most last year. it might require another future pick though. i can't wait to see what suprises this weekend holds for us skins fans and i wouldn't put anything past the fo to possibly make a big splash.

I think trading Smoot would be foolish at this point. Springs has a nasty habit of getting hurt and then who would our #1 CB be? A rookie? Nah, we're pretty much forced to keep Smoot. Maybe we could put Gardner in his place in the above trade scenarios...

Unless we receive an incredible offer for Smoot I don't see the Skins dealing him. Especially with Bailey gone, Smoot became that much more valuable to the team.

Offiss- yoiur "bag of balls" for Trotter comment cracked me up!
I agree with Mattyk- We are too thin at corner to consider trading Smoot- Springs has an injury history, and no matter how good rookie corners are, they are still rookie corners. They're gonna get burned- it's just part of the growing process.
I'm torn betweent the Skins sitting tight and just taking one of the Canes (Taylor, KWII or Wilfork) or doing that and also making a draft day splash with a trade involving Trotter and Gardner (the only two players of value- ok Offiss- questionable value- who I think we can part with) to get another first round pick....

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]I think trading Smoot would be foolish at this point. Springs has a nasty habit of getting hurt and then who would our #1 CB be? A rookie?[/QUOTE]

Ade Jimoh


threw you a bone there Ade Jimoh fan club.....

As far as the Barrow signing, which I think was the point of this thread....

I love his attitude and intesity. He still has a few solid years left and is a great pickup. Good job FO!!

I am concerned that Dan "never met an offensive player I did not want to draft" Snyder and Bag o Doughnuts Cerrato signed Barrow to make drafting KWII look better. Now they can say they did not disregard the defense. Although this still leaves a big whole at the safety position if we draft KWII.

u spelled hole wrong...and Barrow is going to be a beast. hes gonna plug the RIGHT holes, unlike Trotter. I can remember FOX playin replays when the opponent would bust a big run up the middle. It would be Trotter hittin the wrong hole, thats something that Barrow will improve on.

[QUOTE=raleighskinsfan]Offiss- yoiur "bag of balls" for Trotter comment cracked me up!
I agree with Mattyk- We are too thin at corner to consider trading Smoot- Springs has an injury history, and no matter how good rookie corners are, they are still rookie corners. They're gonna get burned- it's just part of the growing process.
I'm torn betweent the Skins sitting tight and just taking one of the Canes (Taylor, KWII or Wilfork) or doing that and also making a draft day splash with a trade involving Trotter and Gardner (the only two players of value- ok Offiss- questionable value- who I think we can part with) to get another first round pick....[/QUOTE]

If we could get back into the 1st rd with a trade of gardner and trotter I think we would all be doing back flip's, which is exactly why it won't happen, but if we sweetin the pot with say our #1 next year, we may be able to get a wilfork, which I would do in a heartbeat, I just feel we have to do something to get back into this draft, there is to much talent, I would throw away our entire draft next year if we could fill all our need's this year, I know as skin's fan's we are leary of this type of use of pick's, and it stem's from the george allen day's, but this is much different we are getting young player's not the over the hill gang, as well we now have free agency as a viable option if we need a player or 2.

Why don't we use our CASH to get those 2004 draft picks?
 

Given that Redskins cash_flow is so strong, -- why don't we package Trotter / Gardner with a bundle of cash and swap them for 2004 -- 2nd/3rd round draft picks _?

The FO should be more creative in using their cash to get draft picks or players.

:coach:__________:dallas:

Gibbss,

I don't doubt we would if someone would take that deal. But ain't nobody gonna trade cash for draft picks and, after signing Barrow, we couldn't even get a supplemental pick in the NFL Europe draft for Trotter.

i didn't know greg williams used to coach barrow when they were both in houston. that should help aid his transition onto the team. and i like what he said about feeling like he was 27 or so because of his workout routine and that he'd tire out mentally before he did physically.

and skinsncanes should love this quote about the univ. of miami:
"You talk about Quarterback U., Linebacker U." Barrow said. "I always felt like we're NFL-U."

[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]i didn't know greg williams used to coach barrow when they were both in houston. that should help aid his transition onto the team. and i like what he said about feeling like he was 27 or so because of his workout routine and that he'd tire out mentally before he did physically.

and skinsncanes should love this quote about the univ. of miami:
"You talk about Quarterback U., Linebacker U." Barrow said. "I always felt like we're NFL-U."[/QUOTE]

haha. Nice Nice. Did anyone else join in on the thing on ESPN.com the other day where there was a different player on everyhalf hour that you could talk to. It was cool reading all of their anwsers. They asked Veron Carey if he thought making a team of Canes could win the Super Bowl, and he basically said that there arent many people that would dobut that they would win the superbowl everyyear. WHICH is why ive been trying to tell everyone to draft Canes with all your picks everyyear, they alreayd know how to play together, the team spirit is there. And they all work out together in the offseason anyways.