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Aright...glad that we got the win despite a shitty performance. So...we are still in the playoff race...and the remaining games still are meaningful for us...

The question is...should Brunell be replaced for the Dallas game?

In my opinion i would not outright say Brunell should be replaced. But i do believe Gibbs ought to give Ramsey some snaps with the first team this week in addition to Brunell...and at least consider the possibility of a switch going into next week.

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i'm not sure if you make a QB switch in the middle of a playoff race...

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Ummm, no.

Ridiculous suggestion.

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Brunell may indeed need to be replaced if that throwing hand is hurt, but only then.

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yeah if he has a bad injury that affects his throwing hand, then i'd consider it. But I'd say no considering we're in the middle of a playoff race, fighting to get in, and P.R. probably wouldn't get us in.

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Only if he's injured. Otherwise, you stick with Brunell.

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I was a little uneasy to see that Brunell was starting in the second but I'm glad Gibbs didn't make the switch. Unless he's injured (which I hope he never gets injured) then don't switch.

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Brunell got us this far and he will take us where ever we are going

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that was a freak game for him, considering hed only thrown 5 total ints until this game

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Replace? Why would you do such a god awful thing? If it isn't really broke, don't "try" fix i!

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he had one bad half. he has been doing exactly what the coaches want him to do perfectly until that one bad half. you don't sit a guy for one bad half.

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I was a Brunell supporter a lot I just thought that Gibbs might've sat him down...cause that was a freak game. And most of them were deflections and one he overshot the reciever.

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I agree in principal that you wouldn't pull a QB after one performance like that (and having said that you know where I still stand after PR being pulled in the middle of the first game) but... you guys have to agree that brunell does not have the accuracy and nor does he get the defensive reads he was getting in the first half of the season. At first when he was on the field he was there with a purpose, and now it seems that he's a bit lost and off target... and we've seen too much of that in a QB the last several years.

I'm still not for pulling him... but if i were in gibb's position, i may shorten the leash a bit if he doesn't step up next week at home.

Also, I'd try and put antonio brown in the slot position (if not at the #2 position because taylor jacobs just blows no two ways about it) and see if that makes a defense give portis and moss a little bit of room.

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if he did this bad the first 5 games of the year as he has the last 5 i would be calling for his head but we are a playoff contending team and playoff teams don't pull their QB 3 weeks before the playoffs

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While Brunell's productivity has taken a dive recently, you can't pull the guy with whom the receivers have developed a chemistry after 13 games and insert a right hander that hasn't seen the playing field since week one.

As bad as the offense was against a poor defense today, making a quarterback change now would make things astoundingly worse.

The real problem is that teams have zeroed in on Santana Moss and you cannot depend on Chris Cooley to pick up all the slack. Taylor Jacobs had his third pathetic game in a row as the #2 receiver, and if that doesn't settle once and for all his capability as a viable wideout, I don't know what will. He presents no consistent option for the quarterback whatsoever.

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I agree... I don't understand why everyone moistens their hanes-her-ways for Taylor Jacobs. I'd love it if Antonio Brown could step up and challenge for a recieving spot and actually catch balls thrown at him. Him and moss could be absolutely lethal.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]I agree... I don't understand why everyone moistens their hanes-her-ways for Taylor Jacobs. I'd love it if Antonio Brown could step up and challenge for a recieving spot and actually catch balls thrown at him. Him and moss could be absolutely lethal.[/QUOTE]


I agree, and just because he had that bad game (catching the ball) in the pre-season shouldn't mean he dosen't get another opportunity.Sometimes players have games like that. remember Robert Royal two weeks ago?

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]I agree... I don't understand why everyone moistens their hanes-her-ways for Taylor Jacobs. I'd love it if Antonio Brown could step up and challenge for a recieving spot and actually catch balls thrown at him. Him and moss could be absolutely lethal.[/QUOTE]

I think brown would be a great compliment to moss. The speed would be absolutly unmatchable. I really wanted brown back ,not only for his return threat but for his receiving threat also. maybe i just like him too much but i really think he can be a solid receiver. I thought Brown was gonna be a great player on our team before the season started and i am happy he got another shot

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[QUOTE=canthetuna]I agree... I don't understand why everyone moistens their hanes-her-ways for Taylor Jacobs. I'd love it if Antonio Brown could step up and challenge for a recieving spot and actually catch balls thrown at him. Him and moss could be absolutely lethal.[/QUOTE]

Moisten their Hanes-her-ways? Now that's funny :laughing2

Expect the Hanes-her-ways to be nice and dry from here on out.

As for Antonio Brown, yeah, you might as well try anything to get this offense going again.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]he had one bad half. he has been doing exactly what the coaches want him to do perfectly until that one bad half. you don't sit a guy for one bad half.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah? Tell that to Ramsey.

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Brunell has been pretty average for the past six weeks, but there is no way Gibbs will take him out unless he is hurt. No chance. That being said I honestly would like to see Ramsey get his shot. Brunell will never take us where we want to go and Ramsey is outta here next year if we don't see him play again.

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I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind would even think to say such a thing. Brunell has been nothing but great to this organization. He is one of the most intellegent players in the league at the position, So what if he had a bad game, it happens to the best. Would you prefer Ramsey who routinely makes bad decisions and has no pocket presence what so ever. I've nevet seen a QB get sacked and it's not the O-lines fault. I don't feel comfortable when Ramsey is behind center. He continues to make questionable throws as he often throws passes based on where recievers are supposed to be, this is not Tulane. You have to be more aware.

Unless Brunell is hurt, Ramsey will do just fine on the bench until the season is over and we can get him out of here.

Our best chance at a run towards the playoffs will be with Brunell running the offense.

It seems as if someone needs to get over Brunell's performance last year, and start paying attention to this season.

We are over .500, when is the last time that Ramsey has lead a team to over .500 this late in the season.

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Why switch now,gibbs has damaged Patricks confidence.Its time to trade Patrick and get what what we can for him.Going to Patrick would assure us of not making it to the playoffs

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I dont think theres anyway in hell gibbs will switch qbs,hes already shown his blind loyalty to brunell,Brunell has proven hes not the same qb from last yr,but I am very concerned with his last 2 games,he might have had a great qb rating last week,but to me,he just didnt seem the same,his accuracy was off and most of his completions were short passes,and today he stunk it up,but is that his fault or is it because our 2nd and 3rd receiver are hurt?,I dont know the answer to that,its probably a combination of things,Brunell deserves to stay as the starter but I hope if the situation calls for it Gibbs will stick in Ramsey to try and give the team a spark,having said all that ,my game ball today has to go to Brown for saving our ass with his kickoff return

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The thought of a QB switch should not even be entertained. Whatever Brunell is now, it is better than Ramsey and making a change would absolutely do no good. Many people are pointing to the last few games and saying that Brunell has not been playing well or putting up great numbers, but that has to do more with our playcalling and issues at the receiver position. The reason that he hasnt had 200yds passing in the last 4 games is that we have decided to run the ball a lot more and, aside from those two INTs in the first half, he has made good decisions. Brunell is doing exactly what is asked of him at this point in the season and should definitely not be benched.

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I think Brunell really turned it around this year, but it seems clear that we are a 50/50 bet at best to win against teams with a winning record. It will never happen, but I say go for the long shot and give Ramsey his last chance. He has the most potential to change this middle of the road offense. Ramsey would probably crash and burn, but I would rather roll the dice. A nice 9-7 season is what I fear. Would you like some more vanilla ice cream with that?

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speaking of QBs brett favre just led another game winning drive. He might not be back next year and this is his second to last prime time game. next week he is on MNF and that could be the last time we see my man on national television

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Brunell is the starter. Nuff Said

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good point

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Quarterback Mark Brunell had thrown three interceptions, including two in the red zone, and had a 22.5 passer rating. but Ramsey hasn't worked with these receivers so i dont know....but scoring 3 points against the cowboys and Giants wont work

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Broke, he nearly single handly lost the game for the Redskins, I like Brunell as a person, but just look at the run vs. pass play selection in the second half, I don't think Brunell or Gibbs were comfortable with him throwing the ball. It was painful to watch the offense today because of his play, Clinton, Moss, O-line, special teams and Defense saved the game for us, a game that we should have won fairly handily. We certainly did not look like a playoff team today and most of that steams from the Quarterback play. In my opinion with a better QB we might be a strong contender for the ring. The position is so important to the success of the team and the success of the offense, that it is inexcusable for us to start a quarterback who is proforming as poor as he is lately. I love Gibbs, but I fault him for his decision in this regard and feel that he is somewhat of a hippocrite in his decision to start Brunell. I hope everything works out for the best regardless and that we make the playoffs. I hope that Brunell starts playing much better because that is the only way that we will have a prair in running the table. I have faith in the Redskins, but at best in my opinion Brunell does not seem to have enough gas to play for an entire season and I believe that he should be relagated to backup before our season ends prematurely. Furthermore, if he hand was hurting why hurt the team and return into the game, Why not give Ramsey a series or two while you recoup or what have you because in my opinion he certainly did not give us the best chance to win today.

JMHO

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our QB IS broke, but i'm not sure we really have a means to fix it... he's stunk it up for weeks now. I don't really know if ramsey would be an improvement, and it'd send a bad message to the team this late in the year in the middle of a playoff race. So i think we're stuck (barring injury) and we just gotta hope he stops sucking.

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Gibbs made the same mistake this year as he did last year, he has fallen in love with brunell, we are just spinning our wheels with this guy, while Patrick rots on the bench.

As far as making a switch? It ain't happening, unless Brunells arm falls off gibbs isn't going to allow Ramsey to see that field, I don't believe at this point you make a switch at QB regardless of whether or not ramsey can move the ball better than Brunell, Brunell is responsible for this season let him finish it.

I think the most important change that needs to be done is a change in playcalling, defenses just sell out to stop our running game with no regard for play action passes to the vacated areas of the LB's and safties who are just teeing off, guy's talked about it last year, and it looks like we are back at it, the defenses look as if they know whats coming, our defense bailed us out again, how many 3 and outs did we have late in the game?

None of the above matters unless we get better at playcalling, and diguising what we are doing, yes we have won 2 in a row but both wins were not impressive to say the least, that type of play in the next 3 games will seal our fate as far as the playoffs are concerned.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]Broke, he nearly single handly lost the game for the Redskins, I like Brunell as a person, but just look at the run vs. pass play selection in the second half, I don't think Brunell or Gibbs were comfortable with him throwing the ball. It was painful to watch the offense today because of his play, Clinton, Moss, O-line, special teams and Defense saved the game for us, a game that we should have won fairly handily. We certainly did not look like a playoff team today and most of that steams from the Quarterback play. In my opinion with a better QB we might be a strong contender for the ring. The position is so important to the success of the team and the success of the offense, that it is inexcusable for us to start a quarterback who is proforming as poor as he is lately. I love Gibbs, but I fault him for his decision in this regard and feel that he is somewhat of a hippocrite in his decision to start Brunell. I hope everything works out for the best regardless and that we make the playoffs. I hope that Brunell starts playing much better because that is the only way that we will have a prair in running the table. I have faith in the Redskins, but at best in my opinion Brunell does not seem to have enough gas to play for an entire season and I believe that he should be relagated to backup before our season ends prematurely. Furthermore, if he hand was hurting why hurt the team and return into the game, Why not give Ramsey a series or two while you recoup or what have you because in my opinion he certainly did not give us the best chance to win today.

JMHO[/QUOTE]

Great question WHY?

Gibbs seems scared to death to allow Ramsey playing time, I know it's crazy but it has looked to me he was worried that Ramsey may succeed and he wouldn't be able to get Brunell back on the field, not that Gibbs want's to fail, but he want's to win with Brunell, and believes he can win with brunell, and maybe he can, but I believe he made a big mistake by not sticking with Ramsey from day 1.

It kinda looks as if Gibbs basically had to promise Brunell the starting job to get him to sign with us, and has been trying to honor that ever since.

I don't want to hear the same excuses next year that we heard this year, and that is that the reason we missed the playoffs is because Brunell was injured, if he really is injured he should no how, no way, be playing, we are not talking about Unitas here, it's Brunell.

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"We really shouldn't be in this scramble. But we know how we get there: turnovers and penalties. If we don't do those two things, teams can't play with us. Why let it come down to the wire?"
- Clinton Portis

I think this is the ultimate problem... we can complain about play and playcalling until we're blue in the face. If you win the turnover battle, you usually win the game.

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I will say that i am getting nervous about marks performance ,i don't now if it's an injury but he's played to sub par defenses and had very bad first halfs. in all honesty the whole team seemed almost disinterested yesterday.i am concerned for this team for the dallas game.

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I would to see Brown get a chance he has the speed the dbs have to show some respect to.Hopefully he can catch the ball better than he did in the preseason.We have got to spread the playing field and we must be able to put up more points than we have.

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Look at it this way. Does anyone think that Ramsey would have led us to a victory over Dallas in week 2?

I don't think so.

Brunell is our QB and he is a much better manager of the game. We have a much better chance at winning when he is running the offense. I don't care if he throws ten picks, he's that much better than Ramsey. I would call on Campbell before Ramsey.

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The fact that this is even being discussed is ridiculous to me.

You don't make a QB change after your starter has a bad half and the team is in the middle of a playoff chase.

Maybe you do this sort of thing if you're playing Madden, but in real life these things don't happen, and thank god for that.

What sort of message does that send to the team? You're basically saying the offensive problems are all on Brunell's shoulders. Granted he had a bad game, but his first pick was a on a tip that Cooley will usually catch 99.9% of the time, and there were a few drops that didn't help.

Just like last year, there are other factors that are playing in to the offensive problems, and they don't all fall on Brunell. Thinking that Brunell is the only thing wrong is a very myopic view to have and if you think Ramsey is the answer to all our problems you're really smoking something.

It's just silly to me to suggest making a QB change this late in the season when the team is trying to make a playoff push and your starter has had a solid season.

Hey, Eli Manning tossed 3 picks yesterday and almost cost them the game. I wonder if they should just give Tim Hasselbeck a shot. Why not right?

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[QUOTE=Anthony Chance]Look at it this way. Does anyone think that Ramsey would have led us to a victory over Dallas in week 2?

I don't think so.[/QUOTE]

Fine - what about against Denver in week 5, KC in week 6, TB in week 10, Oakland in week 11, or SD in week 12? You can't cherry pick stats Chancey.