Do we miss Smoot?
 

I was just thinking the other day, I really miss Smoot not being on the Skins. Yea we all know the boat thing, and that makes him not the best role-model and all that. But he was a fun player to watch, that was pretty good. He probably had the best connection to the fans. I remember the game I went to last year, when the Eagles visited. Even though we lost, it was a lot of fun watching Smoot and how he got the crowd into the game. I would not mind if we had him. Hey maybe if he stayed he would not have played for the Viks, which means no boat incident haha.

Re: Smoot
 

I agree, Smoot was my favorite skin and especially with the problems we've had at CB all year we should have kept him. I think it was a huge mistake to let him go for a few bucks. Gibbs is willing to give Portis the richest RB contract in the league (at that time) but couldn't toss Smoot a couple more dollars because he didn't play better than Springs, come on!

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yeah looking back we should've kept smoot. As for the boat thing, i heard the only reason he was involved was because they do that every year, and that a first year player with the vikes has to pay for it. If he hadn't gone to the vikes he wouldn't have been involved.

Re: Smoot
 

Crap on a cracker, boys!

We're in the playoff race with this team, and you're pining for a guy who nearly got half his team arrested for lewd behavior!

TAFKAS (The Artist Formerly Known As [b]Smootsmack[/b]) isn't [u]that[/u] myopic!

That being said, if he hits the free agent market this year because of his behavioral issues, I'd "Trotter" him back in a heartbeat.

Re: Smoot
 

the contract offer we made was nearly idnetical if not the same. but it was structerd differently. that's why buges said so much for being a life long skin.he made the choice, he thought he'd get 13mil signing bonus and we offerd 11mil. he signed with minn for an 11 mil signing bonus.he should have made the choice to stay.i would love to have him back but i feel we made a good effort to sign peirce and smoot and they choose to walk away for contracts that were basically the same but structerd differently to help with the cap and they walked.sala ve.hope he enjoys watching us in the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=56FAN]the contract offer we made was nearly idnetical if not the same. but it was structerd differently. that's why buges said so much for being a life long skin.he made the choice, he thought he'd get 13mil signing bonus and we offerd 11mil. he signed with minn for an 11 mil signing bonus.he should have made the choice to stay.i would love to have him back but i feel we made a good effort to sign peirce and smoot and they choose to walk away for contracts that were basically the same but structerd differently to help with the cap and they walked.sala ve.hope he enjoys watching us in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

The contract came down to one thing, money. Smoots contract with the Vikings guaranteed 6 million a year for the first 3 years. He would not have made that much with the skins until the last two years. The signign bonus was fine with him, which was about a two million differnce. He basically, which is the way the NFL is, took the money and ran to an awful team in a pretty crappy town. No disrespect to those people, if any, from Minnesota.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I agree, Smoot was my favorite skin and especially with the problems we've had at CB all year we should have kept him. I think it was a huge mistake to let him go for a few bucks. Gibbs is willing to give Portis the richest RB contract in the league (at that time) but couldn't toss Smoot a couple more dollars because he didn't play better than Springs, come on![/QUOTE]
The problems? What the injuries? It's hard to conjecture that Smoot would have stayed any healthier than Springs. I loved Smoot and he was in line as my next jersey but he took the money and ran. He ended up in a basically dead-end football town and got himself in trouble. It has ended up being a solid decision. Now the Pierce situation I view a little different but in that case he was just a little bitch and ran to the Ginats for real flimsy reasons.

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wake up everyone!they both left for the same reason,guarenteed money,i.e signing bonus with up front money.everyone on this board would do the same in the regular workforce.denying that would be anything short of a lie

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[quote]The problems? What the injuries? It's hard to conjecture that Smoot would have stayed any healthier than Springs.[/quote]
Not saying he would, but I'd rather have Smoot added into the core we have now, we probably would have drafted differently, but still, Smoot is known to play through it if at all possible. When I hear Ade Jimoh may have to start, that's a real problem with injuries.

Also, you have to realize, the typical NFL career doesnt last long, and the way the skins give out contracts they look much bigger than they actually are since the last 2-3 years on every contract gets either restructured or cut. Smoot made a significant amount more by going to Minnesota and if we wanted him we could have paid. Let's not act like Smoot was in DC racking up Super Bowls, meanwhile at least MN was headed to the playoffs last year and have at least been in the race for many years.

Re: Smoot
 

[QUOTE=BrudLee]TAFKAS (The Artist Formerly Known As [b]Smootsmack[/b]) isn't [u]that[/u] myopic![/QUOTE]

Myopic? I had to look that one up!

Re: Smoot
 

[QUOTE=Daseal]I agree, Smoot was my favorite skin and especially with the problems we've had at CB all year we should have kept him. I think it was a huge mistake to let him go for a few bucks. Gibbs is willing to give Portis the richest RB contract in the league (at that time) but couldn't toss Smoot a couple more dollars because he didn't play better than Springs, come on![/QUOTE]

It definitely wasn't just a couple more dollars. He got a lot more guaranteed to him over the course of the first three years than we were offering. Our salary cap situation is not bad, but not great right now. If we brought Smoot back at the Minnesota price, we'd end up in some trouble in the next three years.

We're better off with what we have on our roster now. Rogers is much much cheaper than Smoot is. It'd be nice to have Smoot around as a luxury, but I'd rather see the franchise develop some long-term viability.

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...besides, it seems like he's starting to become injury prone.

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Isn't smoot that long-term viability? Will you defend shipping rogers off when his rookie contract expires? Everyone complains that we don't keep talent we develop but seems to be perfectly happy to ship off a player that played his ass off for us and, in my opinion, was more clutch than any CB on our roster last year.

Re: Smoot
 

Fred who??

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

Didn't Fred Smoot suffer a rather serious injury this year? What I mean by that, is one that keeps him out more than 3 weeks? Keep in mind, it took Smoot a few years to really become a solid CB. Give Rogers a chance...I believe he can be just as effective if not more.

Fans complained because we spent too much money, but then they complain when we don't spend enough to keep players. Can't have it both ways.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

smoot was good while he was here buthe decided to go with the money.
pierce on the other hand ,i hate that he left but the way he left it i,m glad his gone.
i want the players who wants to be here and be a redskin.

if the grass is greener on the other side go for it hell everybody else does.but sometimes the grass doesn,t look so green after all.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

The team is doing just fine without Smoot and for that matter they have been doing OK these last 2 weeks without LA.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

Why are we talking about Smoot when we have Giants to play with a playoff spot on the line?

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

Get over Smoot and Stephen Davis!

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Smoot was always hurt! He was a tough bugger, though, and I really liked him. However, there is no question in my mind that I would rather have Carlos Rogers for the next 7 years (and beyond?) than Fred Smoot. Rogers has looked great and that man can hit! He loves to stick his hat in there and hit running backs...which I love. Smoot would sort of chuck himself at runners and hope they tripped over him.

Rogers is definitely a far better Redskin, especially as he will continue to get better.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

Uh Fred Smoot is a middle tier corner. He doesn't do anything great. I don't miss Fred Smoot on the field at all.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

[QUOTE=wilsowilso]Uh Fred Smoot is a middle tier corner. He doesn't do anything great. I don't miss Fred Smoot on the field at all.[/QUOTE]

I think we missed his experience a little, but I think that Rogers will mature nicely and surpass Smoot within the next year or two. As for off the field, I don't know much about Rogers.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

I'm just a little upset that he didn't consider my feelings when he left. No thought at all to the fact I'd have to change my username. It still hurts...

The Vikings face an interesting situation this offseason. When Smoot got hurt nickelback Brian Williams stepped into the starting role opposite Winfield and hasn't given it up even with Smoot back.

Williams is a free agent this off-season. Will they keep him?

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm just a little upset that he didn't consider my feelings when he left. No thought at all to the fact I'd have to change my username. It still hurts...

The Vikings face an interesting situation this offseason. When Smoot got hurt nickelback Brian Williams stepped into the starting role opposite Winfield and hasn't given it up even with Smoot back.

Williams is a free agent this off-season. Will they keep him?[/QUOTE]

As we are on the topic...just wanted to compliment you on your funny name and fantastic logo! I have chuckled many times at it...

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

[QUOTE=amorentz]As we are on the topic...just wanted to compliment you on your funny name and fantastic logo! I have chuckled many times at it...[/QUOTE]

Well thank you, the people of the Warpath voted on the name and I commissioned noted artist BrudLee to create the logo....coming this spring the highly anticipated book The BrudLee Code, where we find out that clues to Question 3 are embedded in my logo.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

It would be one thing if Smoot was lighting the league on fire, but he basically flopped in Minnesota, both on and off the field. When he wasn't injured he was getting burnt. He was my favorite player when he was here, but I don't get why people are upset that we didn't pay #1 CB money for a guy who's basically a #2. Lamenting the loss of Pierce I get because he had a brilliant season, but Smoot I don't. I mean, I know he has a great personality but come on...

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

miss smoot? NOPE mr. rodgers #22 will IMO will be a much better player.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

yeah it is sad for him,
all the MONEY he awarded only makes him to dumb things
it would not be the case if he remains a skin

very sad for him

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

Fred is a good cornerback and, as a fan, I do miss him. But, he is no Champ Bailey. The Skins felt they they could find his talent level elsewhere and save salary cap. For the most, part they have.

Bailey was the turnover specialist (5 interceptions with the Broncos so far). He's the one we have not replaced on defense.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

Rogers is the man. Smoot was great but that's history. Carlos will be fine. I like the move. I just wish we still had a first round pick this year so we could maybe draft a pass rusher.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

[QUOTE=amorentz]Smoot was always hurt! He was a tough bugger, though, and I really liked him. However, there is no question in my mind that I would rather have Carlos Rogers for the next 7 years (and beyond?) than Fred Smoot. Rogers has looked great and that man can hit! He loves to stick his hat in there and hit running backs...which I love. Smoot would sort of chuck himself at runners and hope they tripped over him.

Rogers is definitely a far better Redskin, especially as he will continue to get


better.[/QUOTE]

And a bit more mature as well.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

arent the Vikings happier with his backup than with him? Hes presence was nice, but he clearly was replaceable and others have stepped up as vocal leaders.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

I think in the long run Rogers will turn out to be better than Smoot. Rogers game seems similar to Smoot from what I have seen of him. He's a very good tackler and looks like hes got great hands....

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I'm just a little upset that he didn't consider my feelings when he left. No thought at all to the fact I'd have to change my username. It still hurts...

The Vikings face an interesting situation this offseason. When Smoot got hurt nickelback Brian Williams stepped into the starting role opposite Winfield and hasn't given it up even with Smoot back.

Williams is a free agent this off-season. Will they keep him?[/QUOTE]

There would be a certain poetic justice to signing Williams. I doubt that is going to happen though.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

In one word...no. If he had truly wanted to stay here and believed in continueing to build something with his teammates he would had stayed and not jumped ship. He pretty much bailed for money he would have gotten over a couple years instead right away if I understand all the talk about his contract. He was definitely a good player while here but didn't understand his role as the #2 cb and instead wanted #1 cb money. Springs was our unquestioned #1 cb last season so I'm cool with the stance the team made by finding out who truly wanted to wear the burgundy and gold and seemed to have made a good choice in Smoot's successor and I possibly an upgrade by as early as next season.

Plus why the heck r we dilly dallying about this right now any way? BRING ON NEW YORK!!!! BRING ON THE PLAYOFFS!!!!

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

do we miss him? i'd said no ince we're 2 games up and have a chance to be 4 games up on our record last year with him... granted that's not a totally accurate comparision, but its as close as you're going to get.

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

smoot blows, or at least his hooker does

:headbange

Re: Do we miss Smoot?
 

I love hookers and why are you talking so much shit about them. I have a song for you to refer to and it's called "Perfect Gentlemen" by Wylcef Jean. Enjoy!