Pro Bowl Bound - Samuels, Moss
 

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how the **** does chris cooley make first alternate? all i've been hearing is how cooley led in voting for nfc fullbacks. I'm happy that Moss is going, but i think it's stupid that Marcus Washington isn't, he's having a better season than last year too. I really do not think Samuels deserves to go. He has been dominated by some of the best defensive ends we have faced. Cough Jared Allen Cough.

And what really pisses me off is Michael Vick. He has been horrible this season, yet he makes it to the Pro Bowl? that is complete bullshit, it just shows that some fans don't care about who's actually doing well during the season, if you're a big name having a mediocre season you still have an excellent shot.

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voting sucks, they should include

1. cooley
2. griffin
3. taylor

roy williams was selected ahead of taylor
this is shit

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griffin wouldn't make it based on the fact that he's been injured part of the season. i do think marcus washington and sean taylor should've been on there.

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cooley won the voting, but that only counts as 1/3 of the voting...he didnt win because the coaches and players vote and u know they would want a real fullback in there

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[QUOTE=steveo395]cooley won the voting, but that only counts as 1/3 of the voting...he didnt win because the coaches and players vote and u know they would want a real fullback in there[/QUOTE]

The stupid thing is, he'd considered a TE for stats and he leads the NFC in receptions! :frusty:

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williams wins the popularity contest big deal we have sean taylor on our side and thats all that matters

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I think that Mark Brunell has fewer INT's than all of the QB's selected to the Pro Bowl, NFC & AFC. He is the reason that Moss is making his first trip. It is clear that the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest when Michael Vick goes after that terrible season.

Cooley probably didn't make it because no one is sure what position he plays because of Joe Gibbs "old school" offense.

I think that Mike Sellers should have at least been a first alternate. He does our dirty work and is no stranger to the endzone. He is the type of player that you appreciate and his roll in an offense is often overlooked.

Our defense doesn't have anyone making the trip because of all the packages that Gregg Williams uses. players don't get as many reps as others in the league.

The Pro Bowl is overrated and we will see how this season turns out with our "under achieving" players.

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[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe]I think that Mark Brunell has fewer INT's than all of the QB's selected to the Pro Bowl, NFC & AFC. He is the reason that Moss is making his first trip. It is clear that the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest when Michael Vick goes after that terrible season.

Cooley probably didn't make it because no one is sure what position he plays because of Joe Gibbs "old school" offense.

I think that Mike Sellers should have at least been a first alternate. He does our dirty work and is no stranger to the endzone. He is the type of player that you appreciate and his roll in an offense is often overlooked.

Our defense doesn't have anyone making the trip because of all the packages that Gregg Williams uses. players don't get as many reps as others in the league.

The Pro Bowl is overrated and we will see how this season turns out with our "under achieving" players.[/QUOTE]

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i think kyle vanden bosch should've gone. he's having a monster season too. I hope we can sign him after his contract is up this year.

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I heard Parcells voted everyday for Roy Williams...

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wewhite what team do you root for?just wondering

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[QUOTE=dmek25]wewhite what team do you root for?just wondering[/QUOTE]
yeah,that falcons helmet is throwing me off

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The argument for Vick is that the team is nothing without him and how he does so much with so little to work with. So if that's the reason why he was chosen over someone (Brunell) who statistically is having a much better reason and, unlike Vick, has his team in the playoffs right now then why do Dunn (over Portis) and Crumpler (over Cooley) get Pro Bowl nods as well? I thought Vick was some miracle worker working with scrubs.

And then how does Keith Brooking get the nod over Marcus Washington?! Stupid Falcons.

All I know is both the Redskins and the Falcons had huge games this past Sunday with major playoff implications. One team's "Pro Bowlers" responded with a resounding victory. The other team's folded into the fetal position

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Well put TAFKAS.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]yeah,that falcons helmet is throwing me off[/QUOTE]

Don't let it, I'm skin fan until I die, but this is my protest for M.Vick without, making anyone wet in there panties...

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]The argument for Vick is that the team is nothing without him and how he does so much with so little to work with. So if that's the reason why he was chosen over someone (Brunell) who statistically is having a much better reason and, unlike Vick, has his team in the playoffs right now then why do Dunn (over Portis) and Crumpler (over Cooley) get Pro Bowl nods as well? I thought Vick was some miracle worker working with scrubs.

And then how does Keith Brooking get the nod over Marcus Washington?! Stupid Falcons.

All I know is both the Redskins and the Falcons had huge games this past Sunday with major playoff implications. One team's "Pro Bowlers" responded with a resounding victory. The other team's folded into the fetal position[/QUOTE]

I noticed that...Peyton didn't look the same Sunday........

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Maybe the same people that vote for Yao Ming, is voting for M. Vick....I so glad for that brother, making the pro bowl, if Mc Nabb didn't get hurt.....him and Vick would have made the pro bowl and overrated Hassleback would have been out.... He's only in because he's riding the back of Shaun Alexander........Hassleback, pro bowl my ass

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]Maybe the same people that vote for Yao Ming, is voting for M. Vick....I so glad for that brother, making the pro bowl, if Mc Nabb didn't get hurt.....him and Vick would have made the pro bowl and overrated Hassleback would have been out.... He's only in because he's riding the back of Shaun Alexander........Hassleback, pro bowl my ass[/QUOTE] :postcop:
Why would have McNabb have made the pro-bowl, and what is your reasoning that Vick made it? Was it Vick's great touchdown to int ratio of 13td's to 12 int's? Or was it Vick's incrediable completion percentage of 54%?

Why would it be so hard, if you are a redskins fan, to be upset that our very own Mark Brunell did not make it? I mean he is having a way better season than Vick is, you do have to admit that.

I agree that Hasselbeck and Delhomme(SP) should not have made it, not over Brunell and Bledsoe(SP). Espically not Delhomme, not when Brunell has 2 td's for every 1 int.

And yes I will admit that last year I couldn't stand that Brunell was our QB, but you have to give credit where credit is due and Brunell got totally nubbed.

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hassleback is a way better nfl qback than vick.vick is just a superior athlete playing the qback position.there is no way he deserved to be in the pro bowl ahead of mark brunell,or even drew bledsoe.sundays game against the bears all vick wanted to do was get underneath his parka to stay warm.great players make great plays in big games.vicks living off a couple of great plays he made against the vikings a couple of seasons ago in a meaningless game

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[QUOTE=mooby]i think kyle vanden bosch should've gone. he's having a monster season too. I hope we can sign him after his contract is up this year.[/QUOTE]
He's weak against the run and has been hurt every year he has played except this year. I'd pass on him big time. I'd rather not sacrifice our solid run defense to get a guy who is going to get 10 or so sacks. How about getting a guy who maybe only has 5 or 6 sacks but can generate some pocket pressure regularly and still make a tackle on a RB when needed. If we added one guy like that our line would be instantly one of the best in the league. That's how good Griffin and Salvaea are inside.

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Vick is nothing but a name. His stats are pathetic for a "Pro Bowl QB".

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Vick is nothing but a name. His stats are pathetic for a "Pro Bowl QB".[/QUOTE]

Dude, you'd better chill....wewhite is gonna getcha for talking about his main man, M. Vick!! :)

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[QUOTE=12thMan]Dude, you'd better chill....wewhite is gonna getcha for talking about his main man, M. Vick!! :)[/QUOTE]

The truth hurts.

Both Bledsoe and Brunell were much more deserving. It's not even close.

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Check the stats, it's rediculous Brunell didn't get in. Look at his TD/INT ratio:
[size=2]Drew Bledsoe, Cowboys (3,188 yards, 21 TDs, 14 INTs)[/size]
[size=2]Mark Brunell, Redskins (2,797, 20 TDs, 8 INTs)[/size]
[size=2]Jake Delhomme, Panthers (2,998, 20 TDs, 15 INTs)[/size]
[size=2]Brett Favre, Packers (3,305 yards, 19 TDs, 24 INTs)[/size]
[size=2]Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks (3,215, 22 TDs, 9 INTs)[/size]
[size=2]Eli Manning, Giants (3,314, 22 TDs, 16 INTs)[/size]
[size=2]Michael Vick, Falcons (2,136 yards, 13 TDs, 12 INTs; 534 rushing yards, 6 TDs)

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Also, Portis should definitely be in there instead of Dunn. 6 more TD's and only 30 less yards:
Shaun Alexander, Seahawks (1,668 rushing yards, 24 TDs)
Tiki Barber, Giants (1,577 rushing yards, 8 TDs; 421 receiving yards, 2 TDs)Warrick Dunn, Falcons (1,328 rushing yards, 2 TDs; 205 receiving yards, 1 TD)Steven Jackson, Rams (1,018 rushing yards, 7 TDs; 299 receiving yards, 2 TDs)
Thomas Jones, Bears (1,168 rushing yards, 8 TDs)
Clinton Portis, Redskins (1,296 rushing yards, 8 TDs)
Carnell ''Cadillac'' Williams, Buccaneers (947 yards, 5 TDs)

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F@#% the Pro Bowl. No one watches it anyway. The Skins get no respect. They will just have to earn it by going to the playoffs and winning playoff games. The Pro Bowl selections will follow next year.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Vick is nothing but a name. His stats are pathetic for a "Pro Bowl QB".[/QUOTE]

If the Pro Bowl is supposed to be based purely on statistics, then you can make an argument that he is not as good as some of the other quarterbacks in the NFC. But I thought the only stat that matters in football is wins, which is what Vick does, win games. He is one of the few players in the league that can change a game, almost completely by himself.

Vick's record as a starter is 33-21-1 since 2001. Atlanta's record without him is 9-18. So it would seem he's not quite as overrated as some people think.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]If the Pro Bowl is supposed to be based purely on statistics, then you can make an argument that he is not as good as some of the other quarterbacks in the NFC. But I thought the only stat that matters in football is wins, which is what Vick does, win games. He is one of the few players in the league that can change a game, almost completely by himself.

Vick's record as a starter is 33-21-1 since 2001. Atlanta's record without him is 9-18. So it would seem he's not quite as overrated as some people think.[/QUOTE]

Bledsoe and Brunell both have 8 wins this year just like Vick.

Vick = overrated name.

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matty your right on.vick might be the most over rated name in sports,not just football

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Ugh. Why are people so willing to slurp Vick and no other worthy names? Like I've never seen people who loyal to one player. Again, I won't deny that he's exciting to watch but that's about it. Yes, his presence in the game DOES make his teammates better, but what is up with everyone defending him for the Pro Bowl this year? People SERIOUSLY have man crushes on Ramsey and some are STILL calling for him to play, but I've never seen loyalty the likes of people with Vick.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Bledsoe and Brunell both have 8 wins this year just like Vick.

Vick = overrated name.[/QUOTE]

If Vick had Bledsoe's receivers or Washington's defense, he'd have more than eight wins.


[QUOTE=TheMalcomConnection]Yes, his presence in the game DOES make his teammates better, but what is up with everyone defending him for the Pro Bowl this year? [/QUOTE]

I'm not actually defending him for the Pro Bowl, I'm just giving reasons why I can understand he was picked. You guys seem to forget that it's not just fans that pick the Pro Bowl, which is very apparent from the fact that Cooley didn't make it, in spite of being far and away the fan favorite. So obviously his peers and the coaches think he's worthy too.

Coaches gameplan for Vick and are always attempting to keep him contained. I highly doubt any coach in the league is saying to himself before a Dallas game, "How are we going to stop Bledsoe?".

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Vick is in on name alone. Let's not kid ourselves and try to sugar coat it by pointing to wins or his lack of WRs. It's not like he throws to his WRs anyway.

Vick is a HUGE brand name. He's easily the most marketable name in the NFL today. Fans love him because of his incredible physical talents, and I'm not denying the guy is a freak of nature. But as an overall QB, I'm sorry but I can name a bunch of guys who are better QBs than Mike Vick and who were more deserving of a Pro Bowl nod.

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Chris Cooley should have made the probowl as a TE, what a crock.

Oh well the ProBowl is dumb anyways.

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[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]F@#% the Pro Bowl. No one watches it anyway. The Skins get no respect. They will just have to earn it by going to the playoffs and winning playoff games. The Pro Bowl selections will follow next year.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you, hail. And I'd rather be overlooked at this point--it puts yet another chip on the shoulder of our team.

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Dan Patrick gives Brunell some love and says he should have been the # 2 QB behind Hasslebeck and the third QB slot is a toss up between Delhomme, Vick, and Eli, but Brunell should have definitely been voted in because of his play. Could not agree more.

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How come last week I was wrong for judging people based on stats, which by the way, included wins, but this week all people want to do is use stats to explain why Vick is overrated.

First of all, the Falcons are one of the worst teams in the league without Michael Vick on the field. He may not be a great passer, but he changes games. You can't honestly tell me that you think coaches lose sleep over Mark Brunell or Drew Bledsoe. That's why Vick gets votes. When coaches and players go up against Mike Vick they have to come up with ways to stop him. If I were coming up with a gameplan against the Skins or Boys I would try to make Brunell or Bledsoe beat me.

Second, Vick has no one but Crumpler and Dunn on offense. Don't give me that "he doesn't throw to recievers" nonsense. He doesn't throw to them because they're garbage. He has one legit target. The offense is him and Dunn. That's it.

Vick is the MVP of his team every single season. Without him, we've seen what happens to the Falcons. Michael Vick changes games and people respect what he can do way more than Brunell or Bledsoe.

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Hey boys fans you listening?

[quote]Safeties
Who they picked: AFC – John Lynch, Troy Polamalu and Bob Sanders; NFC – Mike Brown, Darren Sharper and Roy Williams.

Who they forgot: Sean Taylor – Boy, I must seem like a Redskins fan. But the kid has been far more of an impact player than Williams, who’s guilty of being subpar in coverage and known better for his horse-collar (or, shirt-collar) tackles. Taylor is so
key to Gregg Williams’ man-free defenses, able to cover the slot receivers, blanket tight ends or sit back in coverage as a center fielder.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=jdlea]How come last week I was wrong for judging people based on stats, which by the way, included wins, but this week all people want to do is use stats to explain why Vick is overrated.

First of all, the Falcons are one of the worst teams in the league without Michael Vick on the field. He may not be a great passer, but he changes games. You can't honestly tell me that you think coaches lose sleep over Mark Brunell or Drew Bledsoe. That's why Vick gets votes. When coaches and players go up against Mike Vick they have to come up with ways to stop him. If I were coming up with a gameplan against the Skins or Boys I would try to make Brunell or Bledsoe beat me.

Second, Vick has no one but Crumpler and Dunn on offense. Don't give me that "he doesn't throw to recievers" nonsense. He doesn't throw to them because they're garbage. He has one legit target. The offense is him and Dunn. That's it.

Vick is the MVP of his team every single season. Without him, we've seen what happens to the Falcons. Michael Vick changes games and people respect what he can do way more than Brunell or Bledsoe.[/QUOTE]

He's still overrated.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]He's still overrated.[/QUOTE]

Valid argument. You've changed my view of Michael Vick completely, with that in depth analysis.

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Chump Bailey made it to the Pro Bowl yet again. I can almost predict next year's probowl selections. Let's see, Vick makes it yet again, so does Champ, and let's not forget Roy Williams, and Derrick Brooks, and oh Lavar (if he plays a full season).