Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?
 

It just has never made sense to me. Pennington is the starter, that has been injured, but Ramsey is still the back up. The experts all have said that the Jets will most likely pick a QB. So why would Ramsey want to go to media crazy NY with all of the possible issues at hand. Seems he would have been safer here with our situation or another team that had instability at QB and not such a high draft choice.

Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?
 

I would say that the Jets have an unstable QB situation. He was told he would be able to compete for the starting job but he has heard that one before. The Jets have a weak armed QB to throw short int's and they thought that a long int. would give them better field position.

Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?
 

he picked his own poison he wanted a trade he got one bottom line he will have to earn his position!

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Let's face it, nobody was offering him a starting job. At least in NY he'll have a realistic shot at competing. Pennington's arm was a limp noodle last year and he's again coming off surgery. He has a decent shot at beating Pennington out, at least early on when Pennington is still recovering.

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Bottom line; Ramsey wants to be the man. He always wanted to be the man even w/ his best bud lefty at the helm last year. So, he jumped ship because he probably feels that Pennington is done. The guy had a weak arm to start- the injury probably shortened his career.

Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?
 

Ramsey went to NY because they were willing to take him. His options were slim and none, folks. He took what he could get.

He liked his chances better trying to compete with an injured Chad Pennington than he did competing with Brunell in the here and now, and then competing with Campbell down the road.

Nobody buys Patrick Ramsey as a franchise QB, except for Offiss, and he's not a GM. If Ramsey is going to get a starting job, he's going to have to beat someone out for it. He's not good enough to just be handed the reins unquestionably. He needs to earn his career, starting now.

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Ramsey could probably have started in San Francisco. I'm just not sure if Alex Smith is really as bad as he seemed last year, or if it was the lack of a team surrounding him.

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[quote=dan_snyder69]Ramsey could probably have started in San Francisco. I'm just not sure if Alex Smith is really as bad as he seemed last year, or if it was the lack of a team surrounding him.[/quote]

If you're going to bring someone in to upgrade over your former #1 pick overall, he better either be rock-solid or have TONS of potential. That would explain why the 49ers didn't look at Ramsey, because he doesn't fit either of those criteria.

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pennington isnt the answer and i think the jets are taking ferguson,not a qb

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[quote=Schneed10]Ramsey went to NY because they were willing to take him. His options were slim and none, folks. He took what he could get.

He liked his chances better trying to compete with an injured Chad Pennington than he did competing with Brunell in the here and now, and then competing with Campbell down the road.

Nobody buys Patrick Ramsey as a franchise QB, except for Offiss, and he's not a GM. If Ramsey is going to get a starting job, he's going to have to beat someone out for it. He's not good enough to just be handed the reins unquestionably. He needs to earn his career, starting now.[/quote]

In the beginning there were several teams interested in Ramsey. Dolphins, Lions, Jets, and maybe a couple of more. Washington was asking way too much for him so teams went other routes, especially when Culpepper , breeze and other vets became available. I think he went to Jets because they were the only team on the table with a draft pick offer. No one really knows if he is a frachise QB or not. He does have what you look for, arm strengh, toughness, smarts, and we all know the kid has heart. To stand in there and take a beating like he did a couple of years ago answers that question. He needs a fresh start and an opportunity to become a starting QB. When he does, teams will then see if he is a good QB, which I think he will be.

Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?
 

Ramsey really didn't have any say in the matter once he requested the trade. In the Jets he has a chance to compete to be the starter which most other teams wouldn't have given him. Maybe he goes there and lights it up. I doubt it, but I hope for the best for him.

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[quote=firstdown]I would say that the Jets have an unstable QB situation. He was told he would be able to compete for the starting job but he has heard that one before. The Jets have a weak armed QB to throw short int's and they thought that a long int. would give them better field position.[/quote]

I shouldn't laugh because I really like Ramsey, but damn that was funny.

Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]Ramsey went to NY because they were willing to take him. His options were slim and none, folks. He took what he could get.

He liked his chances better trying to compete with an injured Chad Pennington than he did competing with Brunell in the here and now, and then competing with Campbell down the road.

Nobody buys Patrick Ramsey as a franchise QB, except for Offiss, and he's not a GM. If Ramsey is going to get a starting job, he's going to have to beat someone out for it. He's not good enough to just be handed the reins unquestionably. He needs to earn his career, starting now.[/QUOTE]


Everyone did before Gibbs arrived, and that includes almost everyone on this site at the time, that's why Miami was offering a high draft pick the season before, it was a brillant job by Gibbs to burn this kid down and get nothing for him.

Kind of funny no one had Bree's as a starting QB a couple of seasons ago, I do believe the Chargers drafted one Phillip Rivers to replace him with the intention of releasing him until Rivers held out, how did that pan out?

Bottom line your right I am no GM, and neither is Gibbs, why else would you give up a second rd pick for a QB who was about to be released and would have never sniffed a 43 million dollar contract? How about all these late round gems we heard about last year? Im still waiting to see just one. Now we are hearing the same thing again Gibbs talking about finding that late round gem, for some reason I believe he thinks that because Bobby Beathard was a genious at those type of picks so is he, well I am still waiting to see it!

Gibbs IMO has proved nothing about talent evaluation, Cooley is the 1 player I give him props for, the rest were simple top 10 picks that anyone could have made. Free agent signings? If you can't evaluate a current established, NFL starter than get out of the talent evaluation buisness. The signing of established talent at the rate we do is a big sign that we have no confidence in our ability to evaluate talent coming out of college. Lets see how we pan out this draft, I do hope we get it right.

Re: Why Did Ramsey Really Go to the Jets?
 

Ramsey is going to be the next Trent Dilfer of the NFL. Decent enough talent but will always struggle for the starting role.

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[quote=offiss]Everyone did before Gibbs arrived, and that includes almost everyone on this site at the time, that's why Miami was offering a high draft pick the season before, it was a brillant job by Gibbs to burn this kid down and get nothing for him.

Kind of funny no one had Bree's as a starting QB a couple of seasons ago, I do believe the Chargers drafted one Phillip Rivers to replace him with the intention of releasing him until Rivers held out, how did that pan out?

Bottom line your right I am no GM, and neither is Gibbs, why else would you give up a second rd pick for a QB who was about to be released and would have never sniffed a 43 million dollar contract? How about all these late round gems we heard about last year? Im still waiting to see just one. Now we are hearing the same thing again Gibbs talking about finding that late round gem, for some reason I believe he thinks that because Bobby Beathard was a genious at those type of picks so is he, well I am still waiting to see it!

Gibbs IMO has proved nothing about talent evaluation, Cooley is the 1 player I give him props for, the rest were simple top 10 picks that anyone could have made. Free agent signings? If you can't evaluate a current established, NFL starter than get out of the talent evaluation buisness. The signing of established talent at the rate we do is a big sign that we have no confidence in our ability to evaluate talent coming out of college. Lets see how we pan out this draft, I do hope we get it right.[/quote]

I'm not going to get into a debate about Gibbs' teambuilding methods and skills. The point of this thread was to examine why Ramsey ended up with the Jets. Quite simply put, everyone IN FOOTBALL now realizes he's nothing special at this point. He could be good, he could be bad. But he's got a ton of question marks surrounding him.

If GMs thought that Gibbs was responsible for destroying Ramsey's value over the last year, then logically they'd see something in him that leads them to believe he can be a great QB in this league if given a change of scenery and circumstance. Bottom line is nobody felt that way about him, and that's why he only garnered a 6th round pick.

I'm never going to understand why people think Ramsey is destined to be a top 10 QB in this league someday. When there are talents out there like Eli Manning, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Brad Johnson, McNabb, Culpepper, Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer, Delhomme, and Hasselbeck, I just don't understand what people see in Patrick Ramsey that makes them think he's going to one day join the ranks of those type QBs.

You're just wowed by arm strength, Offiss. He's one of the most innaccurate downfield passers I've ever seen. Ramsey is virtually incapable of hitting a receiver in stride on a deep route.