Defensive Failures: Scheme or Players?
 

I thought this topic was worthy of it's own thread. Some of us here feel as though our defensive woes this year could be chalked up to lack of talent, others say it's the scheme, and some believe it's a little of both.

I'm of the [B]opinion [/B]that more than the players, it was our defensive scheme that failed us this year.

Gregg Williams fielded the third best defense during his first year, ninth ranked his second, and this year we're close to last if not very last. So there has been a regression from a statiscal standpoint. That along with a few key departures and no significant up grades have spelled disaster for the defense.

It seems like offenses have us figured us out little by little over this three year period and they know exactly where to attack, when to run play action, and how to keep us on our heels. It seems their game planning have been better than ours.

Most of the games that we've lost this year, were lost in the second half, after teams make their half-time adjustments. In simple terms, [B]we've been out coached.[/B]

Of course the players share in this, they are the one's on the field performing. But if something isn't working, you don't have 5 weeks in the NFL to correct it.

I'm concerned that we'll go in FA and sign Nate Clements or whomever and think that's the end of it. I'm not too sure about that.

Please discuss.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;265312]
[B]I'm of the [B]opinion [/B]that more than the players, it was our defensive scheme that failed us this year.

Gregg Williams fielded the third best defense during his first year, ninth ranked his second, and this year we're close to last if not very last. [B]So there has been a regression from a statiscal standpoint. That along with a few key departures and no significant up grades have spelled disaster for the defense.[/B]

It seems like offenses have us figured us out little by little over this three year period and they know exactly where to attack, when to run play action, and how to keep us on our heels. It seems their game planning have been better than ours. [/B]

Most of the games that we've lost this year, were lost in the second half, after teams make their half-time adjustments. In simple terms, [B]we've been out coached.[/B]

Of course the players share in this, they are the one's on the field performing. But if something isn't working, you don't have 5 weeks in the NFL to correct it.

I'm concerned that we'll go in FA and sign Nate Clements or whomever and think that's the end of it. I'm not too sure about that.

Please discuss.[/QUOTE]

The scheme is fine. You gotta look at it this way: Gregg Williams has had this defensive scheme for years and it has reaped at least a top 10 defense during most of those years. It's not like he just came up with it when he came to Washington. If there was something wrong with the scheme, don't you think opposing coaches would have figured it out long before Gregg Williams even became a head coach at Buffalo? The points I've bolded in my quote from your post doesn't point to flaws in the scheme, it points to regression of the players. We have lost good players who contributed to our defense, and the players, especially on our line, have regressed this year.

Adding some depth with good players in the trenches and in our secondary will turn our defense around next year. There is definitely no need in junking our defense and starting all over with it next season.

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It's both. But if I had to put the blame on someone it would definately be the talent evaluators.

We let alot of good guys go and what we brought it didn't contribute.

The one thing that bothers me about Gwilliams, He never fixed the cornerbacks cushion. Rogers is too far off. god I hate rogers right now.

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[quote=jamf;265334]It's both. But if I had to put the blame on someone it would definately be the talent evaluators.

We let alot of good guys go and what we brought it didn't contribute.

The one thing that bothers me about Gwilliams, He never fixed the cornerbacks cushion. Rogers is too far off. god I hate rogers right now.[/quote]


Okay, so he never fixed the cushion? I guess we could go around and around on that.

But we have to be able to compensate for weaknesses. I don't care who we get in the offseaon, we'll still have some weaknesses. Every team does.

I refuse to believe that the talent we currently have on this team is the worst defense in the NFL.

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A combo of both with more of it being on the players. We just don't have the horses right now.

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[quote=Mattyk72;265343]A combo of both with more of it being on the players. We just don't have the horses right now.[/quote]
this the same defense from 2004 and 2005 , which were both good defenses. its got to be the players

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[quote=dmek25;265350]this the same defense from 2004 and 2005 , which were both good defenses. its got to be the players[/quote]


Whoa, if it's the same players shoudn't we be getting the same results?

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[quote=12thMan;265352]Whoa, if it's the same players shoudn't we be getting the same results?[/quote]
thats the problem. its not the same players. between injuries, and free agents, there alot of differences. and Williams ego thinks you can plug anyone into the system and it will work

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It's the lack of players. Missing Springs for the first half of the season really hurt. As did missing him and MW these last two games.

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isnt it amazing how different the defense looks when springs is in the lineup?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;265388]isnt it amazing how different the defense looks when springs is in the lineup?[/QUOTE]

I agree. The team plays with a lot more confidence and much more aggressive when Springs is on the field.

I am so mad about wasting the Picks on Duckett.

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It the frickin players. They can't get off blocks, they can't tackle and they can't cover. What does that have to do with GW? Oh yeah, they can't catch potential int's that are thrown right to them. And sorry but Andre Carter was a bust. He CAN NOT play the run. Just bring him in on 3rd down and that's it. 75 year old Bob Whitfield treated him like he was his bitch last night.

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If Springs makes that much of difference from the corner position, then I think it's definitely the scheme. Again, I think the coordinator has to compensate for weaknesses and flaws. He's responsible for saying okay, we lack this that and the other. Let's make some adjustments here so that we don't get exploited to the tune of 200 yrds on the ground.

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[quote=12thMan;265400]If Springs makes that much of difference from the corner position, then I think it's definitely the scheme. Again, I think the coordinator has to compensate for weaknesses and flaws. He's responsible for saying okay, we lack this that and the other. Let's make some adjustments here so that we don't get exploited to the tune of 200 yrds on the ground.[/quote]


Ok we lack CB's so we should drop the safties back to help
But then we lack LB's and DL's so we need to keep the safties in to stop the run. Quite the pickle you would have to scheme from that.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;265395]It the frickin players. [B]They can't get off blocks, they can't tackle and they can't cover.[/B] What does that have to do with GW? Oh yeah, they can't catch potential int's that are thrown right to them. And sorry but Andre Carter was a bust. He CAN NOT play the run. Just bring him in on 3rd down and that's it. 75 year old Bob Whitfield treated him like he was his bitch last night.[/QUOTE]

I know I'm gonna hear about how you shouldn't have to be taught that in the NFL, but does anyone think that's a reflection of the coaching staff. I mean, how many piss poor defense in this league can you say are well coached? It can't all be the players. I don't know if that's they tuned Williams out or what, but one thing that bothers me is his "doghouse." That's bs. I don't like all this, "I don't trust him so he won't see the field." Now, I hate Adam Archuletta, like really hate him, like ever since he was in St. Louis hated him. I gave the Skins the benefit of the doubt when they signed him, but I was fuckin right, that was a terrible signing. Anyway, he may have had a point. I mean, we hear a lot of the same things from him that LaVar was saying when he was getting yanked last year. That bothers me a lot.

And as for the players...Gregg Williams pretty much calls the shots on who is signed to play defense for this team, so that seems to be a direct reflection of him as well.