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Skins_4_Lyfe 01-25-2007 07:51 PM

Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
It seems as if we will pursue a corner in free agency as the skins will need to fill the void when and if they move [URL="http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=24549"]Springs to safety[/URL]. This is fine by me but if we sign either Clements or Samuel, who will replace "Almost" Rogers because the guy is not a starter.

FRPLG 01-25-2007 07:55 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
Actually I'd disagree pretty strongly that he is not a starter. I don't think he is a #1 but he is a solid #2 CB.

Skins_4_Lyfe 01-25-2007 08:01 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
[quote=FRPLG;272561]Actually I'd disagree pretty strongly that he is not a starter. I don't think he is a #1 but he is a solid #2 CB.[/quote]
I just don't think he has earned the trust of the coaches...they line him up 10 yards or so off recievers and he still gets beat. I never thought he was fast enough for starting at corner in the NFL, last season I thought about moving him to safety because its no secret that he can hit. Does anyone know what range his 40 is in?

Pocket$ $traight 01-25-2007 08:54 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
The main problem that I see with this is Springs' contract. How do you justify paying a safety cover corner money (and then having to go out and find another cover corner)? But there is my problem. I am trying to apply logic to our team....

JGisLordOfTheRings 01-25-2007 09:09 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
[quote=Grim21Reaper;272571]The main problem that I see with this is Springs' contract. How do you justify paying a safety cover corner money (and then having to go out and find another cover corner)? [B]But there is my problem. I am trying to apply logic to our team..[/B]..[/quote]


Everything goes down hill after you start doing [I]THAT[/I]!

djnemo65 01-25-2007 09:36 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
Isn't it just as expensive to cut Springs as to keep him? I thought I remember reading that here.

Skins_4_Lyfe 01-25-2007 09:38 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
[quote=djnemo65;272579]Isn't it just as expensive to cut Springs as to keep him? I thought I remember reading that here.[/quote]
Who said anything about cutting Springs? He is arguably the best player in our talentless secondary.

Crat92 01-25-2007 09:42 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
Moving him to safety might just help get ST back to all-pro form.

steveo395 01-25-2007 10:07 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;272562]I just don't think he has earned the trust of the coaches...they line him up 10 yards or so off recievers and he still gets beat. I never thought he was fast enough for starting at corner in the NFL, last season I thought about moving him to safety because its no secret that he can hit. Does anyone know what range his 40 is in?[/quote]
They always line the corners 10 yards off. Springs does it too. I don't know what your talking about with Rogers being too slow. His 40 time was a 4.31.
[QUOTE]
Last year, defensive backs Carlos Rogers and Fabian Washington were projected as second-round draft picks before each ran a 4.31 at the combine. Both were picked in the first round.
[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.neilcornrich.com/2006_02_01_archive.html]Neil Cornrich: February 2006[/url]

squrrelco3 01-25-2007 10:10 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
He could rotate in and out with AA in passing situations thus using AA more for the run like he originally wanted and Springs for covering...as far as the money goes...it sounds like he might be up for a restructuring...he's already said he would be willing to change positions why not give up a few extra bucks.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 01-25-2007 10:25 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
[QUOTE=steveo395;272584]They always line the corners 10 yards off. Springs does it too. I don't know what your talking about with Rogers being too slow. His 40 time was a 4.31.

[url=http://www.neilcornrich.com/2006_02_01_archive.html]Neil Cornrich: February 2006[/url][/QUOTE]

I don't remember Rogers running that fast. My recollection was he ran something like a 4.41.

Redskins_P 01-25-2007 10:37 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
Theres no way Rogers ran a 4.31....no way.

Skins_4_Lyfe 01-25-2007 10:43 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
[quote=Crat92;272581]Moving him to safety might just help get ST back to all-pro form.[/quote]
I love ST, but I could give a F*@# about him being in "All-Pro form", I just want to see some wins.
His performance won't really make a difference because Offenses in this league respect him too much and they make their game plans around him. Its safe to say that his rookie season will be the best of his career.

Skins_4_Lyfe 01-25-2007 10:47 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
[quote=steveo395;272584]They always line the corners 10 yards off. Springs does it too. I don't know what your talking about with Rogers being too slow. His 40 time was a 4.31.

[URL="http://www.neilcornrich.com/2006_02_01_archive.html"]Neil Cornrich: February 2006[/URL][/quote]
Thats BS...this must be one of those cases where his game speed doesn't match his 40 because I'm not seeing 4.31 on the field.

Defensewins 01-25-2007 10:47 PM

Re: Considering moving Springs to safety...
 
[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;272587]I don't remember Rogers running that fast. My recollection was he ran something like a 4.41.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Skins_4_Lyfe;272592]Thats BS...this must be one of those cases where his game speed doesn't match his 40 because I'm not seeing 4.31 on the field.[/QUOTE]


C. Rogers ran a 4.31 at the NFL combine which is what elevated him to top half of first round.
Here is link: [url]http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9244060[/url]

Which said, "In 2005, 11 defensive backs ran their 40-yard dash in times of 4.40 and under. Of the 11, six ran for times of 4.35 and under. Of those six, Carlos Rogers (4.31) and Fabian Washington (4.31) moved up into the first round.

People have every right to say C. Rogers has dissappointed. However I think he will work his way out of his inconsistant play. Playing CornerBack in the NFL is one of the toughest positions to play in any sport. With all of the new rules it is impossible to shut down a great receiver. Our pass rush from the front four has been a greater weakness for many years and leads to coverage problems. You can only cover a WR for so long.
I say lets give him another chance and not boo him. He is a good kid that works very hard, he deserves another chance. I bet if our front seven stops the run better and improves on the pass rush, all of our Db's confidance and coverage will also improve greatly. Out entire defense will improve. It all starts up front and this last year our front seven FAILD.


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