Players cooling to Zorn
 

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I think the first sign was Cooley's comments after the Giants game.

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I remember himself several times giving shout outs to players. Wasn't it in the Cardinals game when Campbell through that long bomb to Moss after dodging pressure that he said in the press conference I wish i could take credit for that, but that was all them, they called the plays and they made it happen.

Now with how things are going, i'm sure everyone will dissect every word and say that "I wish I could take credit for that" was his Freudian slip of his egotistical thinking and his desire to bench portis weeks down the road.

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Winning cures all.

Right now everyone is frustrated.

But I guess it's more fun to assume Danny has the axe ready.

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I think Zorn has been quick to praise his players.

If this story is true...it is amazing how sensitive these guys are.

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Its no wonder the players react to the head coach the way they do. The coaching authority in this organization has never really been solid (except for Gibbs) and often times its been undermined. The players are smart enough to recognize that and will take their shots because they know that management is likely to side with them over the coaches. That's just the way this organization works and why they continue to be mediocre. The inmates are running the asylum.

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I'm never sure how much to trust Pro Football Talk, but this doesn't seem far-fetched. It certainly seems to me that Zorn blames the players when things go wrong and has dodged responsibility himself, as if he wasn't the one who designed the offense and called all the plays.

When a coach talks about losing because of "execution," it's just a fancy way of saying: "Don't blame me, the players screwed up my perfect plans."

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[quote=Spence;510567]I'm never sure how much to trust Pro Football Talk, but this doesn't seem far-fetched. It certainly seems to me that Zorn blames the players when things go wrong and has dodged responsibility himself, as if he wasn't the one who designed the offense and called all the plays.

When a coach talks about losing because of "execution," it's just a fancy way of saying: "Don't blame me, the players screwed up my perfect plans."[/quote]

But if the players aren't executing whats wrong with saying it? He has never called out a player by name and is also quick to praise players when they do well. If professional athletes can't handle critisim then they probably aren't guys that are going to help you win.

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[quote=irish;510566]Its no wonder the players react to the head coach the way they do. The coaching authority in this organization has never really been solid (except for Gibbs) and often times its been undermined. The players are smart enough to recognize that and will take their shots because they know that management is likely to side with them over the coaches. That's just the way this organization works and why they continue to be mediocre. The inmates are running the asylum.[/quote]

Totally agree.... good point.

Zorn is the coach, period. Do what he says, that is your job.

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[quote=Mattyk72;510562]Winning cures all.

Right now everyone is frustrated.

But I guess it's more fun to assume Danny has the axe ready.[/quote]

Agreed. The locker room is boiling over with just 1 win in the last 5. A solid, not nail-biting win over the Bungles Sunday could do much to smooth that over.

Given the Dan's history, however, I understand that anything is possible; JZ could well be shown the door no matter how this season ends.

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[quote=BigRedskinDaddy;510571]Agreed. The locker room is boiling over with just 1 win in the last 5. A solid, not nail-biting win over the Bungles Sunday could do much to smooth that over.

Given the Dan's history, however, I understand that anything is possible; JZ could well be shown the door no matter how this season ends.[/quote]

Agree.... The skins would go into a tail spin with a loss to the Bengals.

It would be a panic move to fire Zorn though....no matter what happens the rest of the season.

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[quote=Spence;510567]I'm never sure how much to trust Pro Football Talk, but this doesn't seem far-fetched. It certainly seems to me that Zorn blames the players when things go wrong and has dodged responsibility himself, as if he wasn't the one who designed the offense and called all the plays.

When a coach talks about losing because of "execution," it's just a fancy way of saying: "Don't blame me, the players screwed up my perfect plans."[/quote]

to me, that is OK to say. I dont know how many times we had a receiver open down field for a big play, and someone missed a block or missed the assignment and jason had to scramble, or dump it off. To me that is no executing correctly. there have been plays to be made that haven't been made due to lack of execution. I remember seeing Campbell rolling to his right against the Cowboys (i think) and cooley was wide open running across the middle, and he hit the dump off. that is execution, no a bad play call. However, Zorn has seemed to scale things back a bit just trying to get the team into a rythm and it just doesn't seem to be working. Hopefully we'll use cincy as the team to get the big play offense working and take some confidence into the next game.

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I think the execution comments from Zorn come from stupid penalties once we get inside the other teams 30, or blowing an assignment and giving up a sack to move us out of feild goal range. Did anyone see the pre game show before the Giants game where the commentator (cant remember who -Howie?) laid out that in the last 5 games we had the most points called back due to penalties or we had the most first downs called back due to penalties during that time?

That is the lack of execution the coach is talking about - not the players effort. I wish I had a video of that comment but my jaw dropped. Hard to blame the coaches when we have a mental wall at the 30.

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Lack of execution can also come from flawed schemes. Players can't execute when a linebacker and safety are overloading oneside of the line. A play call must be changed in that instance. The Ravens game is the first game I saw Zorn counteract this. This has been going on since the Pittsburgh game. I think he is a good coach just a first year coach is all.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;510585]Lack of execution can also come from flawed schemes. Players can't execute when a linebacker and safety are overloading oneside of the line. A play call must be changed in that instance. The Ravens game is the first game I saw Zorn counteract this. This has been going on since the Pittsburgh game. I think he is a good coach just a first year coach is all.[/quote]


Great points I totally agree