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Skinsfanatic 03-30-2005 07:02 AM

DB Option
 
OK, I was reading Peter Kings (I don't like him either) article from the other day on CNNSI, and I noticed he said this:

"[b]Saban loves draft picks:[/b] He wants more of them. He is in mourning over the fact the Dolphins don't have their second-round selection this year (they dealt it for [b]A.J. Feeley[/b] last year), and I see Saban holding out for a second- or a third-round pick for cornerback [b]Patrick Surtain[/b]. Right now, the best offer out there for Surtain is Kansas City's fourth-round pick."

Is it just me, or wouldn't it make LOTS of sense for us to trade a third rounder for Surtain (if that is actually an option)? I mean, it would free up our first rounder for the D Line or allow us to trade down more comfortably (which I would prefer) while giving us a top notch corner to line up beside Springs.

Gmanc711 03-30-2005 07:34 AM

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic]OK, I was reading Peter Kings (I don't like him either) article from the other day on CNNSI, and I noticed he said this:

"[b]Saban loves draft picks:[/b] He wants more of them. He is in mourning over the fact the Dolphins don't have their second-round selection this year (they dealt it for [b]A.J. Feeley[/b] last year), and I see Saban holding out for a second- or a third-round pick for cornerback [b]Patrick Surtain[/b]. Right now, the best offer out there for Surtain is Kansas City's fourth-round pick."

Is it just me, or wouldn't it make LOTS of sense for us to trade a third rounder for Surtain (if that is actually an option)? I mean, it would free up our first rounder for the D Line or allow us to trade down more comfortably (which I would prefer) while giving us a top notch corner to line up beside Springs.[/QUOTE]

I know Surtin brings a 8.1 Million Dollar cap hit with him; so if that was wiped out and reduced somewhere long the way, I wouldnt mind it. Its still hard to tell, because who knows what we will be left with on draft day.

Skinsfanatic 03-30-2005 07:44 AM

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The cap hit is an issue. But, contracts can be reworked and bonuses spread out. I just think it makes a lot of sense to bring in a young pro bowler with a 3rd rounder instead of using a first rounder on a guy who might find the same level of success in the NFL he had in college.

FRPLG 03-30-2005 08:25 AM

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I know Surtin brings a 8.1 Million Dollar cap hit with him; so if that was wiped out and reduced somewhere long the way, I wouldnt mind it. Its still hard to tell, because who knows what we will be left with on draft day.[/QUOTE]
Are we sure about the cap hit? I don't have much knowledge on his contract but could that be the hit for Miami? Much like Coles maybe the huit isn't as big for a team who trades for him. Also...doens't he have some "issues" . I seem to remember him being somewhat of a malcontent. We don't need any of those.

Drift Reality 03-30-2005 12:15 PM

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Why does he bring that cap hit with him?

If a player is traded, the remainder of his signing bonus is accelerated onto next year's cap - for the team that trades him.

We would pick up his salary, but it would all be unguaranteed money.

CC - can you chime in on this?

diehardskin2982 03-30-2005 01:18 PM

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i don't think we need him he'll demand a contract higher than what smoot asked for and that ain't gonna happen

Skinsfanatic 03-30-2005 01:19 PM

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He's better than Smoot. Just thought that was worth mentioning.

TheMalcolmConnection 03-30-2005 01:21 PM

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I haven't checked, but what is our cap looking like in 2006? I think it's an interesting option.

Daseal 03-30-2005 05:14 PM

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[quote]He's better than Smoot. Just thought that was worth mentioning.[/quote]

Very true, but I'm curious what the salaries look like side by side. I think that's the only reason the fins are having trouble unloaded Surtain for anything decent.

With the escalated Coles hit I'm GUESSING that we have more room in 2006.

BigSKINBauer 03-30-2005 05:40 PM

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic]OK, I was reading Peter Kings (I don't like him either) article from the other day on CNNSI, and I noticed he said this:

"[b]Saban loves draft picks:[/b] He wants more of them. He is in mourning over the fact the Dolphins don't have their second-round selection this year (they dealt it for [b]A.J. Feeley[/b] last year), and I see Saban holding out for a second- or a third-round pick for cornerback [b]Patrick Surtain[/b]. Right now, the best offer out there for Surtain is Kansas City's fourth-round pick."

Is it just me, or wouldn't it make LOTS of sense for us to trade a third rounder for Surtain (if that is actually an option)? I mean, it would free up our first rounder for the D Line or allow us to trade down more comfortably (which I would prefer) while giving us a top notch corner to line up beside Springs.[/QUOTE]

I thought about this before and i would but thats just me, how much mula $$ would he ask for

Monksdown 03-30-2005 06:19 PM

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Trotter drops off our cap after this year. And I cant remember if our deal with coles was in time to not affect next year. Trotter clears up lots of space.

offiss 03-30-2005 06:33 PM

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Snyder is not the only one who wants to sign and pay big bucks for established talent. No we can't afford him, why? because we spent way to much money signing everyone else's players it gets expensive, at some point we have to really on the draft and our ability to assess unproven talent, so we can keep the cap within reason.

SKINSnCANES 03-30-2005 08:22 PM

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we could have afforded him if coles didnt account for over 9 million this year. Yes, Surtain is a steal for a 3rd rounder, but its not an option our team has.

SmootSmack 04-01-2005 07:47 PM

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Sounds like Surtain is ready to go to KC

[url]http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-dolphin01apr01,0,6925460,print.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front[/url]

SKINSnCANES 04-01-2005 07:52 PM

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KC looks like they are goign to have a good team next year. They are definitly working hard to try and upgrade that defense.


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