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Originally Posted by Giantone
I still don't think they lied ,one hand does'nt know what the other has said or done a total FU but I don't believe they are lying .
On #5) I agree with you but again this has been going on for years and nobody from either party has or will do a damn thing about it .
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Well, we have quite a bit of proof that they at least lied to the american people for a few weeks, presumably to avoid what may have been significant bad PR on the foreign policy front for a president running for re-election at the time.
I have a hard time using your excuse for #5 because there are a lot of problems like that and I don't think "well no one else has fixed it either" is a very good excuse. I think majority of the problems (real problems) we face in this country are decades old and still exist because no one has taken the time to actually fix them, and because the general public refuses to hold anyone accountable outside of crafting nicely-worded talking points when it's the other team's guy in office.
To name a few: multiple different infrastructure issues, education issues, poverty, immigration, and any real progress on race issues since the 60's.