[offiss]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm not a "muslim sympathizer" I'm someone who doesn't believe that we should go to war unless absolutley necessary. I don't care who it is and what religious stance they take. Your view of muslim's is exactly what's wrong with this country. Most Muslim are peace loving people. You think Muhammad Ali was a terrorist? Mushim Mahammad from the Panthers harboring terrorists? No. They are just regular (with gifted physical ability) guys. If you hate Muslim's, might be time to move. It's this countries fastest growing religion. The whole Israel mess is another topic in and of themselves, but do a little research and if say Muslims were keeping you from work every day, while Muslim's got special commuter lanes and didn't have to stop at 15 check points, you'd probably be pissed when you got fired because you never came to work. THere's a reason Israeli special forces have started refusing missions stating they won't kill any more Muslims unless it is a life or death type of threat. I'm not saying just dump food and water on Iraq, I mean EVERYWHERE. Mainly Africa. What do you hate about African's, Offiss. You obviously don't understand the hatered that accompanies ANY organized religion. Most religions are founded by war, and you mighty Christians took part in a sickening holy war, remember the Crusades? Or Killing Indians that wouldn't convert? Organized Religion normally teaches good morals, but that's all it's good for. It's been the same shit since Greek mythology recycled and regurgitated in a slightly different form. (Saints = Greek Gods. They have a god for everything, Christians have a Saint. There are tons of parrallels. Read Age of Reason by Thomas Paine (the reason our country exists is because of him) he'll be happy to show you all the problems with Christianity. Hell, at least two people were dead before they supposedly wrote their books in the bible. That's always been quite a task!

Hitler is a whole other set of rules completely. First of all, had Japan not bombed us like idiots, chances are we wouldn't have gotten involved. At least not for quite some time. We were fairly isolationist and we wouldn't have touched them. Germany wasn't exactly in a sorry economical state. I still think Russia would have eventually won, although it would have taken a lot longer, but with Hitlers medication being what it was, and his knack for strategy seemingly gone, the Nazi's were about finished. Had he not make the few mistakes he made, I think history would have been slightly different. He's the worst creature to ever walk the earth, but he was also an intelligent man who was extremely persuasive. I just don't think he had the amount of men needed to singlehandedly take over Europe. Hitler had food and wanted control, he didn't need food. And also, we did drop food on Germany, but I think it was a bit after WW2. The Berlin Air Drop, or something of the sort. That's when they were hungry because their country was wrecked.

So you're saying we should force people from another country, into a government they don't want, and then tell them to like it. Gee, Wonder why there's anti-American sentiment. Just because they want a religious leader doesn't mean they can't take care of themselves. "It starts with god and democracy." That's awful narrow minded. Our way is right, no other way can work! Our Constitution in and of itself was an experiment with many flaws in it. Not gaping flaws, and it's well written, but there are problems with it. They are not a "godless" nation. They believe in a god, just as you do. They are far from the poorest. They give us oil to run our cars. So unless you want to pay 5 bucks a gallon, you might want to salute the Muslims. Explain this to me. Saudi Arabia harbors more terrorists and almost all of the 9/11 bombers were Saudi. Why don't we go after them? Oh, we get tons of oil, so it's ok!

Offiss, please go educate yourself instead of lumping all Muslim people together as a godless and vicious people. They are as much human as you and I. It's because our country is so intolerent of other religions and cultures that we hate them so.

You think I'm vicious because I'm agnostic? Because I don't believe in your god?

And there is the problem, some moron right's a book and it becomes fact for you, no matter how ridiculous and unfactual it may be, I will tell you this, bring on Mr. Pain, we will see who straighten's who out about the fact's! no prob., I also like how you try to worm your way into the accussation of raceism, to try and congoure up sympathy for your arguement, as if I would back down from such a false attack, absolutly clintoneske, yea the muslim's here are peace loving because after 9/11 they know if they get out of line in any way they will have a real problem from the peole of this country, they are far out numbered, but if they ever took over the majority you would find out how peaceful they are the first time you refused to bow down to ala. agnostic? I don't see it, you have a stance and it's very clear it's not pro america, while you have have said nothing but glowing comment's for the muslim world, the only difference is your not man enough to admit what you are, so you bash america and praise muslim's and say I am on no one's side. You as well act as if we don't lift a finger to help other coutries with humanaterin aid, take a look at what happen's with food drop's these regimes keep it for themselves the people see very little, not in all cases, but in many, how bout the billion a year clinton gave to korea in aid? which they used to build nucleur weopon's, we have givin so much aid as well as food to these countries as a nation, as well as individual's, and what's happened? there in the same place they were before we ever gave them a nickle, why? because you can't continually beat your head against the wall, sooner or later you have to realize what your doing doesn't work, and change, but if you want to live that life, fine, if you keep to youself, but these people never keep to themselves period. WTC!

I also see you like to use the word hate to anyone that doesn't side with your view point, also clintoneske, just because I don't agree with them doesn't mean I hate anyone, including yourself daseal, but you keep telling me to educate myself, which I have, that's why I am capable of throwing your argument back in your face, case and point, you say we are so intolerable to other religion's and believe that is why we are so flawed as a country, which just show's your aboslute stupidity on how much you really know about this topic, AMERICA, is the most religous free country in the world, and more tolerent to other religion's than any other country in the world, I would like to see all the christian's in the muslim world or in the jewish world, good luck finding them, yet we open our door's to every race religion in the world and we are the bad guy's, if intolerence of certain religion breed's hatred as you have said then how do you support nation's that have no tolerence for anything but thier religion?