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Originally Posted by That Guy

...once he starts to scramble (not boot or roll out, but scramble), the play is already over, he pulls his eyes off the field and the ball is basically never going to go farther than 8 yards at that point. that's something wilson or rodger etc (ie, good QBs) don't do. his instincts are just bad there (pretty consistently too). he also has shown very little skill in predicting/sensing the rush, which compounds the problem by causing him to take off too early.

Hey, to each there own. If you honesty can't recall Griffin making plays downfield while scrambling I don't know what to tell you other then I disagree. Heck, even last year the play he was injured on against the Jags was a scramble play where he threw to DeSean.

I think Griffin's poor play last year has colored people memory of Griffin's level of play prior. The whole 'sensing the rush' narrative is overblown in my view. Does Griffin need to improve in this area? Yes. Is Griffin ever going to be like Romo,one of the leagues best houdini QBs? No. Would you have said Griffin had these problems sensing the rush in his rookie season?

that's really the issue that's holding him back the most. (he can be inconsistent reading D's etc, but that's not as hard to fix as bad instincts, which are REALLY hard to change). If he gets amazing protection, that hides it, and maybe allows him time to try and get it fixed, but the odds are generally against it.

I think Griffin's issue are reversed. I think Griffin issues with pocket presence are directly a result of lack of understanding with the play concepts. To me Griffin's problem last year are the growing pains of a QB learning to play in a rhythm WCO QB. Griffin faced a monumental transition and the difficulty of his transition were compounded by not having a QB coach; playing in an offense that didn't play to his strengths; and a HC that was impatient with having to teaching/grooming Griffin.

I'm all for giving him another shot, I'd much rather be wrong and have him killing teams left and right, it's just hard to see that happening after seeing basically no progress the last two years.

I agree its hard to see Griffin succeed here but for different reasons. I think Griffin's success is much more linked to Jay's ability/willingness to adapt his scheme and attitude towards Griffin. Personally I think we should have traded Griffin before the season began to get whatever value we could because I don't think Jay believes in him and ultimately I don't see how a QB can succeed without actually belief/support in their QB.