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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I don't rank players at all. I just trust certain people who do it for a living. Also, I know which players I've seen who I like for our team.

I was only asking where you rank Kelly because this thread is all about where players are ranked on the "Big Board".

Tangent: I think during the run up to the draft is imho the time when you get the least accurate information about draft prospects. NFL team's are notoriously protective of their draft thoughts. They often times engage in pumping or sinking draft opinion based on information they purposefully feed to their draft media counterparts. The draft media relies on this (often purposefully false) information in part because there are simply too many prospects to accurately evaluate/rank. Case in point was Miles Killebrew; who was being talked up as a big hitting safety but the player the draftniks described wasn't the player that appeared on the available game tape. Trust. But verify.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I believe that there is no such thing as true BPA pick in any draft beyond the first five or ten picks.

Completely disagree.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

...I heard Brian Billick say that, in the many draft rooms he's been in, it's uncanny how the BPA always matched up with a team need.

IIRC Billick said that during the combine? I suspect we have different understanding of what he meant.

I think he was referring to 2 circumstances: (1) no team every admits/thinks they "reached" for a player; they always claim the player they selected was "the BPA on their board" (2) draft boards can become artificially manipulated by internal team "needs" or GMs or HCs who have pull in draft boardrooms

So, I don't think Kelly needs to be ranked in the Top 25 by the Redskins to be picked in the 21st spot by them.

I completely disagree.
For any pick to make sense to me they need to be ranked in the range where they are selected.(Unless of course its a situation where a player slated to go higher falls to a lower pick) What this sounds like to me, is justification of a reach.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We badly need a starting center. Also, I believe it would be nearly a sin to miss out on a good interior defensive lineman in this draft.

I'm confused. You're advocating passing over, by your own account "good interior DL", to select Kelly. Then advocating trading up to get a DL because it would be "sin" to miss out on this year's DL.

I also disagree with our level of "need" at the Center position, and the general idea of drafting for need. In my view free agency is about need not the draft.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I'm hoping we get both and I don't care how it's done. I'd be fine if we took a D-Lineman at #21 and C Nick Martin of ND in the second round.

I could certainly get on board with that. But, net-net I'm don't have Center as a top area to address for this team. And I believe there is a good chance a solution is found internally between Josh, Arie and Spencer.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

There's no reason to draft a backup C later, IMO.

Imo there are a bunch of reason to draft an OL that could be Center later in the draft. Depth, development, versatility or it could simply be that OL is the BPA.