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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule
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Well written and yes, I agree worst case scenarios have not come to fruition. I guess the Dems (and many republicans) apology would be "Thanks for not killing us Donald Trump ... yet". Thats the tone I got.
Iran -- I dont think their response is over ... at all. Iran will almost always be an asymetrical proxy war. I did think things would have escalated more overtly than they did so far. As the writer did acknowledge .. "The calamitous war they envisioned, however, has not come to pass. They were right, though, that there would be devastating consequences. Iran retaliated by firing missiles at a U.S. base in Iraq, leaving at least 109 American troops with traumatic brain injuries. The Iranians mistakenly downed a civilian airliner, killing its 176 passengers, and hostilities between Iran and the U.S. remain dangerously high."
N Korea - we are no closer to a real resolution today then the day Trump took office. And the same could be said for every president ever. Republicans will say at least Trump tried to open up dialogue and it didnt work. Dems will say Trump got played for a photo shoot that benefits Kim greatly for propaganda and they didnt have to give up a single thing.
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Article asks - should the dems admit that Trump's foreign policy actions have not led to worst case scenarios? I dont know, seems odd. Everyone was thinking and saying the killing of Sol was a dangerous escalation and COULD lead to war w Iran. Because it was a dangerous escalation that could led to war. That it increased the chances a "mistake" could be made. And a mistake was made, Iran shot down a civilian airplane bc they thought it was US.
Should I thank my dog for not getting into the trash or shitting in my house?
Trumps unpredictability I do think has benefits after decades of foreign diplomacy defined as appeasement and de-escalation. But I dont think Trump has accomplished anything with N Korea and if Obama tried that, hannity would have been incensed an American president is giving respectability/acknowldgement to a dictator etc ..
Trump is negotiating with the freaking Taliban and was set to have them come to Camp David? wtf was that? taliban just killed like 8 us troops this month, taliban is killing US troops regularly and we are now negotiating with them. Could you imagine Hannity if Obama was secretly going to have the freaking Taliban come onto US soil at camp david for tea and negotiations?
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Trumps biggest foreign policy win where his detractors (graham, repubs and dems) may apologize ... is just getting out of the civil war in Syria. I wish we could have helped more but we had to get out of there imo. Let russia, turkey, iran, syria fight it out.
Also China, I do not mind taking on China. Actually, I like it. There was bipartisan support to challenge china for IP stealing, cyber theft and forcing companies who do biz in china to share intelligence. The only diffirence of opinion was how strong or weak to address it. Anything less than strong would not work imo and trump went strong. And Trump didnt have to. he could have avoided dealing w China, not taking a hit to his economy, not having farmers need subsidies .. basically taking on china was bad for his re-election but good for the US.
Phase 1 of the deal does not address any of that (in earnest from what I read, it duplicates what is already on paper in terms of stealing).
trump second term - probably the only thing he would do that I would be happy about is doubling down on china. I think China was slow playing this to see if he wins 2020. If he wins 2020, China may need to make some real concessions .. but any deal with china is just writing on paper, its the enforcement and confirmation that is the hard part to ensure.
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I think Trump's abrupt foreign policy has been helpful in some ways in some situations ... i think the writer could have found 2 better examples honestly. Irans response has just begun and NK is a dud.
Syria and China are the better examples but one deals w leaving an allie for dead and the other made our economy take a hit so there is lots of room for a reasonable counter argument i suppose.
/ranting