[sdskinsfan2001]

Instead of 2 separate replies, this is a response to both #386 and #389.

My point of conversation is up and through when the house passed articles of impeachment. Not talking about what the senate did afterwards. Democrats knew the whole time he was not actually going to get removed. Republican senators represent themselves 1st and their constituents 2nd. If they impeached, they would have signed all their own political death warrants.

The original investigation that took up to I believe 2 years was for collusion. Obstruction didn't come up until afterwards. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't have impeached him for collusion if there was sufficient evidence to do so. They clearly didn't. And the threshold to impeach a president should be extremely high. Otherwise if one side controls Congress they can always look for anything to impeach the president for.

Mueller saying it didn't fully exonerate him is a copout imo. He didn't have enough, so he took the easy way out that would leave some meat on the bone for democrats. You're innocent until proven guilty. He wasn't proven guilty. And it's not like Mueller didn't absolutely want to impeach him. He is a partisan.

Obviously I'm biased, but I don't think this met the threshold for removal from office. And I'm glad he wasn't removed. I don't want to set a precedent for low bars for impeachment/removal.

Note - Was not old enough during Clinton's presidency to have an opinion one way or the other. But looking at it now, that was dumb af, and glad he didn't get removed either.

This is all moot now anyways. These are just my expressed written opinions on the subject. You guys can both have your finals words if needed, and I'll let the sleeping dogs lie.