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Originally Posted by Huddle
That Guy and others....
Since you have avoided a direct confrontation with the argument I made and the evidence I offered, I'll assume at this point that you can't find a counter argument.
I realize that it's easier for you to put words in my mouth and then trash the things I never said, but for the record:
I did not state that all statistics are useless.
I did not state that the statistics used by pro teams are useless.
I did not state that baseball statistics are useless
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I did not state that, even given additional new data, it would still be impossible to grade individual performance.
I said that the common football statistics of the kind so often used in this forum and others are almost useless.
I gave one logical argument for my position and I supplied evidence that the stats are unreliable.
As stated in one of my earlier posts:
There is one logical argument only: You cannot claim that your statistic is a measurement of a player's performance when that statistic is a combined measurement of the player's performance and other significant factors (You cannot measure A,B,C,D,E together and rely on it as a measurement of A).
The evidence of its unreliability is in the sharp rise and fall of of the stats of many players when they change teams or when a new coach uses them differently in their scheme. If the stats were a reliable measure of individual performances, this evidence would not exist.
Unless, there are new arguments on point, I'll rest my case.
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either you're not listening or you don't care, but saying no one's confronted your arguement is bullshit. If you can't filter out the other factors with common sense when watching a game or don't feel like doing the math, that's on you, not the stats.
your pussy-footing around the actual arguement and using "that's just an opinion" as your only defense. Your "evidence" is NOTHING of the sort, its "just YOUR opinion" but it is not fact and it proves nothing.
your obstinant need to be right is nice and all, but you're going to have to PROVE beyond reasonable doubt that stats are almost useless to convince anyone (since very few agree with you, you have the burden of proof), and your arguements are not only not persuasive, they're also very weak.
have a nice day.