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Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21
Philly is worse than WVU.
Regardless of what Vick says, Dumervil (the guy who actually had his leg stomped on) denies any apology. Please don't tell me you actually believe Vick over Dumervil........and if so, give me ANY reason why.
You don't put too much stock in drug issues and statutory rape? Exactly what level of crime does someone have to reach before you actually do start to think that maybe they're not a good person?
I'm sorry, but I just don't see any reason to think this kid isn't a bad seed. What has he done to get the benefit of the doubt after screwing up so many times? Is it just because he can throw a football? Because you know darn well if he was Joe Blow off the street and you saw his rap sheet people wouldn't be giving him the benefit of the doubt.
You heard the same things about Clarett last year: "He's not a bad guy, just a little immature". I mean come on, it's right there in front of you. The guy can't even make it 4 years on a college team without getting kicked off? And he's got a snowball's chance in hell of being successful in the NFL why? He's worth taking a shot on why? It'd be one thing if Vick EVER did a single thing to show us that he's a good person, but he hasn't (unless of course you count the alleged "pretending" to be pointing a gun at someone instead of pointing a real gun at someone a "good" thing).
I mean, I think the Cowboys are FOOLS for thinking they can change T.O. or that he won't act the exact same way he has with his former teams with them. But at least they're getting known talent. They're taking a chance on a bad seed because they see an almost certain benefit in his ability. About the only credit I give Miami is that they weren't stupid enough to waste a 7th round draft pick on the guy.
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won't debate philly v. wvu as I haven't been to either, only know from good friends & others that fans at wvu don't just taunt - they throw bottles & other things at opposing fans.
Vick said he apologized at the combine & they talked. Dumervil denied an apology after the game, but I haven't heard him deny such at the combine. (see Michael Smith's article on espn.com)
I don't put much stock in his drug & contributing to the delinquincy charges (he wasn't charged w/staturory rape as I recall, not positive on that) because we're talking about football & young football players. Its all relative. No it doesn't excuse the behavior, but at the same time plenty of college students, athletes or not, get drug/alcohol related charges & in the long run it doesn't keep most from becoming responsible adults. Not to mention the countless no. of pro athletes that have had such problems, but turn themsleves around.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking up for his past & saying that he doesn't deserve to be criticized, he does. But we're talking business, about him as a football player & the investment a team makes by bringing him to camp. For the small amount of $ the Dolphins invest, they could potentially get a bargain, that's my main point. I just don't see what the great risk is for them or any other team when the guy wasn't even drafted. If he sucks or is a problem they can cut him w/out spending much. I surely admit that's quite possible!!
Another reason I think he deserves a chance is that unlike TO & such guys, Vick hasn't had problems w/his teamates, his problems were off the field. His leadership ability as an nfl qb is certainly something to question, but again, the risk is very little for any team.
On a side note, if he were any avg. dude off the street, we wouldn't hear about his legal problems & there are thousands of people w/ worse records that are now good citizens.