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Originally Posted by saden1
Look, as I have said before there may very well be an all powerful entity that created us, the universe, and everything else we don't know about.
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Accepting then, that there MAY be such an entity - are you curious as to discovering the nature of such an entity? Would you accept that others were and devoted time and study to try and learn about it? That in learning about it, they would then seek to impart that knowledge onto others? Hmmmm.... I wonder how scholars and other followers might attempt to pass that wisdom on?
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Having said that I call b.s. on the Bible, the Quran, and the Torah (all 3 are based on each other). I call b.s. on Jesus, Mohamed, and Moses. I call b.s. on all the the far fetched stories. I call b.s. on the contradictions, lack of civility and humanism.
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Oh look, all the manners in which knowledgable and/or wise people would try to impart, guide or otherwise teach those who come aftter them. Other than "lack of civility and humanism", and as I have said before, each of the things and people you call b.s. on were trying to pass on knowledge of the infinite.
I'm sorry - I can't get pass your inability to grasp the concept that "contradictions" are a necessary part of describing infinite concepts. Those "far-fetched" stories in most cases are poetry and symbolism. If you want to see what, exactly, the Christian faith believes - read the Nicene Creed. That was the "set of beliefs" agreed upon by all those who called themselves Christians when the Christian church spoke with one unified voice (and guess what - it was created through debate, political interference, and contention by a bunch of humans).
As for the quoted "contradictions" - please - go to take a course on comparitive religious literature or even a secular course on Bible study. The errors, ommissions, and assumptions in that list is so f***ing long it would take, well, a semester or two to straighten out.
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I call b.s. on the fact that all of these holy men were born and raised in the middle east. Where are the Chinese born prophets? How about the fact that so many prophet are related? It feels like a family business.
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I think followers of Buddha would disagree. "Chinese prophets"? - probably many in the various versions of Zen Buddhism and China. If you're talking limiting yourself to prophets from Judaic and Christian tradition, well, that's more of a history lesson than a theology lesson.
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This is what I have come to the conclusion of after much thought and struggle. It's not popular with believers but that's alright. This is about me what I believe.
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Sounds like a leap of faith to me.
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p.s. I want to know who in here has no fear of hell? Fear of hell and the desire to go to heaven are integral part of most religion. After all you can't chill with Jesus/God and drink Pina Colada if you aren't in heaven.
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I have no "fear" of hell in the traditional fire and brimstone imagery. I fear that through my failure to fully live and be one with God during my lifetime that I will be unable to experience that oneness after death. It is not, however, this fear that drove me to God. Instead, as I learned more, I realized, as I said
somewhere earlier, that I wanted to be part of the rhythym and beauty of the infinite. The fact that "hell" exists (and in my mind is more a state of existence than a place) was more a realization I came to then a motivational force in my case.
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p.p.s. We may disagree but I got nothing but love for you lot.
-Peace
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Back atcha.
Peace be with you.