[Hogskin]

Matty,

As far as fans here turning on players, I think it is just the opposite. In most cities, the bulk of the fan base would have been upset (and even BOOED) Gardner (many drops since he has been here) and Samuels (2 years of bad play and seemingly lethargic attitude). But here, they do not get booed (THANKFULLY - our players should NEVER get booed at home), and most fans ruffle their feathers if you even suggest a trade of these guys. Now as far as QB's - the leader of the offense and usually the team, sure, anywhere you go, folks are a bit quick to judge them. Just like the head coach, fans see this guy responsible for the success or failure of the team, and everyone wants to win.

Now, where Ramsey is concerned, I really can not see how anyone would say it is quick. If it was just losing vs. winning, or too many interceptions, then you would have a point. But that is not what I and others are talking about. It is serious problems with fundamentals that he has shown absolutely no progress on, in over 2 calendar years. This does not at all correlate to the great QB's that have been mentioned from other teams, who got off to a slow start. This correlates more to Scott Secules or that guy at SF (forget his name) a few years ago with the bazooka arm.

But I AM with you on one facet of the discussion. If Brunell is not able to start, I agree Ramsey SHOULD start. And I hope like hell he has a miraculous turnaround, and that he becomes the next Brett Favre. I don't play extreme longshots, but if I am forced to play this one, I still pull for the big win.