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Originally Posted by skinsfan69
A pretty good QB????? Huh??? Sorry but when a guy QB's 3 winning SB's and it could very well be a 4th, and he's the single biggest reason why they won those 3 SB's, I would call him a great QB. Throw out the statistical stuff. He's never had a great running back and never had a great wr until now and he still QB'd 3 winning SB's. Sometimes you can just look at a guy, and if you take him off the team they are probably not nearly as good. Troy Aikman is a prime example. Not a great stat qb but we all know he was a great QB. Same with Elway.
I would seperate him from all of those other guys because he's done it in the playoffs and SB's when it's counts the most. 3 TIMES. End of discussion.
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Fine great, whatever. Pretty good in the sense I used it was not trying to say "less than great" but rather generalize his talent level with all of the other really good quarterbacks. Totally unscientifically.
You know me well enough to know that if I want to say "player x is better than player y", I'll give numerical values so you know exactly how much better "x" is than "y". I won't rely on the ability for one to order "pretty good", "good", "great", and "kinda great" in terms of ability.
When you see a quarterback with a great media rep without the numbers to back it up, that's not a "great QB". It's definately not an indictment of the numbers. That's called "overrated".
Taking a guy off a roster is a good litmus test to try to tell just how good he is, but it doesn't matter if one doesn't do it properly. Take Brady off the Patriots from 03-06, replace him with Jon Kitna, and they still make the playoffs every year. They don't go as far in the playoffs, because obviously their offense isn't nearly as good, but they still win that division.
Take Brady off the Pats 03-06, replace him with Manning, and they still likely win two SBs in those 4 years. That's just common sense.
Clearly, it is impossible to overrate Brady's 2007 season. It was historically great. I'm just wondering why people couldn't wait until he had a season like this before they jumped the gun and called him the best ever.